Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mod 7

[Sevvania]

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

The Snabb semi-automatic Lee Enfield conversion may be along the lines of what you're looking for.

[Idaho Conservatives]

You mean semi/full auto?

Semi is my preference, but if auto is possible I'd be interested to know.

All I could think off the top of my head is an SKS-style rifle, but I don't know what you would do for a gas tube.

[Eylandia]

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

The Snabb semi-automatic Lee Enfield conversion may be along the lines of what you're looking for.

That's a fascinating rifle. Just the right kind of look I was hoping for. Would that be possible with more modern parts?

[Ziba Station]

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

The M-14 is based on the M1 Garand. Just attach a tad difernt looking bolt section( it is semi or select fire now) + a larger, detachable magazine on an enfield frame. It can be blac or camo painted plastic and have rails to make it look more modern. I found some images.
Just add side rails and 20 round mags to these and there it flies.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-c ... 15-tfb.jpg

[Crookfur]

Ok With the ammo you are right ,25mm then. Magazines are curved to be a tad shorter anit tis really slight curve, less curved than a STANAG. The balistic cap consists of plastic skin and wood pulp fillin I stole the ide from japanese WWII incendiary munitions it works.
Well this is Sci- fi stuff rheological smart fluids nano engineered springs, production stared in 2381... .40SW(but +p) it is. It is about 68 %recoil reduction not so unbelievable in 400 years time. In the space vesrion the whole assembly recoils in a larger even more high-tech multi tier reduction system it is not so unbelievable also.
Ziva station is a freaking large space staition-citystate after all.

The thing is with telescoped ammo your ammo is almsot garunteed to be completely straight walled rather than tapered as vast majrotiy of conventional rounds are. As such they will jam and break if forced into a curved magazine.

Adding a wood pulp filling just reduces the strength of the ballsitic tip and adds yet another manufacturing step to an already complex bullet for no benefit what so ever. Wood pulp has never been used in hollow points tipped or other wise. It was used to fill cavities in rear weighted FMj rounds, most notably the .303 MK VII loading but today people would just use plain plastic.

The issue wasn't that the recoil control was possible or not just that there is NO information on what is being done. Rule 1 if you make a big claim make sure you explain how it is acheived.

On that note how does the weapon actually cycle? external power or a gas operated mechanism of some type? I would suspect a powered action as gas operation and stupidly high chamber pressures do not a good combination make.

[Crookfur]

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

its perfectly doable to stick self loading guts into a more less traidtionly looking stock

some of the current Veprs are a ncie example:

http://www.artemis.as/images/Vepr%20sup ... %20ior.jpg

[Samozaryadnyastan]

repoast

Being serious again, what actually is the opinion on this?
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I'm thinking that I ought to remove the folding stock and replace it with a buffer-tube-fitted fixed stock, though probably collapsible M4-style.

And maybe an additional variant that takes BR cartridges for no reason except for AKinallbutanameness

No-one?

So I'm still just messing around at the moment, but I wanted to know what you think of this gun.

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Torsiedellious Arms DMR-81H

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TA DMR-81H w/Bipod

I made it to fit with my nation's geography, which is mostly just clear plains, mountains, and desert, with very little urban combat. Medium to long range combat would be common.

It's basically just an M14 with SVD parts...

I like it.
I'd recommend using the gas block as the bipod lug, FAL style.

[Ziba Station]

Ok With the ammo you are right ,25mm then. Magazines are curved to be a tad shorter anit tis really slight curve, less curved than a STANAG. The balistic cap consists of plastic skin and wood pulp fillin I stole the ide from japanese WWII incendiary munitions it works.
Well this is Sci- fi stuff rheological smart fluids nano engineered springs, production stared in 2381... .40SW(but +p) it is. It is about 68 %recoil reduction not so unbelievable in 400 years time. In the space vesrion the whole assembly recoils in a larger even more high-tech multi tier reduction system it is not so unbelievable also.
Ziva station is a freaking large space staition-citystate after all.

The thing is with telescoped ammo your ammo is almsot garunteed to be completely straight walled rather than tapered as vast majrotiy of conventional rounds are. As such they will jam and break if forced into a curved magazine.

Adding a wood pulp filling just reduces the strength of the ballsitic tip and adds yet another manufacturing step to an already complex bullet for no benefit what so ever. Wood pulp has never been used in hollow points tipped or other wise. It was used to fill cavities in rear weighted FMj rounds, most notably the .303 MK VII loading but today people would just use plain plastic.

The issue wasn't that the recoil control was possible or not just that there is NO information on what is being done. Rule 1 if you make a big claim make sure you explain how it is acheived.

On that note how does the weapon actually cycle? external power or a gas operated mechanism of some type? I would suspect a powered action as gas operation and stupidly high chamber pressures do not a good combination make.

It is gas operated via a computerized self-regulating gas valve system, slow ROF is achieved with ignition delay since it is electronic.If it would be powered action, there would be nothing to absorb the recoil and it would get ugly in the weight department too. (Well the self pulling bolt is similar to a powered action but it is slow, it is designed to quickly arm the gun once per mag, not to operate it in full auto.
Chamber pressures are no stupidly high we are talking 7.62x39 energies here, yes it is somewhatt higher pressure than 7.62 wp due to the electro -thermal mechanism, but there are .338 lapua MGs and semi autos out there. It is way lower than lapua pressures.And the barell is no flimsy steel, but high grade carbon anotube reinforced steel alloy. Look i think i did a pretty good job explainig this SCI-FI tech i jus didnt want to get too lenghy. I have about two other pages of detailed info of this gun in my head.
Original post:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=213605&p=12955769#p12955769

[Alimeria-]

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

The Snabb semi-automatic Lee Enfield conversion may be along the lines of what you're looking for.

I believe that's a conversion of the M1917 Enfield, which was a American-clone of a British Mauser clone.

The Snabb semi-automatic Lee Enfield conversion may be along the lines of what you're looking for.

That's a fascinating rifle. Just the right kind of look I was hoping for. Would that be possible with more modern parts?

I would believe so. I would get rid of the Gas-trap the Snabb used and replace it with something akin to a Garand. Still would have the same look, but a better gas system. Maybe use a different kind of receiver, maybe something like a AK. And if you want to go full MT, then replace the wood with polymer.

Before I start my post I want to make a point that I'm pretty unknowledgeable in gun mechanics.

I was wondering, though, what possibilities there were of a modern rifle along the style of the British Lee-Enfield SMLE. What I aim for are the looks of the Lee-Enfield with more up to date guts.

Any thoughts are gratefully received!

The M-14 is based on the M1 Garand. Just attach a tad difernt looking bolt section( it is semi or select fire now) + a larger, detachable magazine on an enfield frame. It can be blac or camo painted plastic and have rails to make it look more modern. I found some images.
Just add side rails and 20 round mags to these and there it flies.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/wp-c ... 15-tfb.jpg

If I remember correct, New Nickysllvania (Whose posts were deleted because of racism) made a Garand Lee-Enfield. Here's one of the earlier versions of it And newer more ornate version.

Edit: Well might be less Garand-y than I had initially thought. But still an example.

[Benomia]

Being serious again, what actually is the opinion on this?
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I'm thinking that I ought to remove the folding stock and replace it with a buffer-tube-fitted fixed stock, though probably collapsible M4-style.

And maybe an additional variant that takes BR cartridges for no reason except for AKinallbutanameness

If it's a shotgun, the barrel seems too long on the bottom one.
But either way, it looks phenomenal. Wonderful work.

[Nua Corda]

If I remember correct, New Nickysllvania (Whose posts were deleted because of racism) made a Garand Lee-Enfield. Here's one of the earlier versions of it And newer more ornate version.

Edit: Well might be less Garand-y than I had initially thought. But still an example.

Huh... I'd been led to believe this guy was some kind of lineart god... That's honestly rather mediocre. Para, RB are both heaps better, just to name two.

[Coltarin]

If I remember correct, New Nickysllvania (Whose posts were deleted because of racism) made a Garand Lee-Enfield. Here's one of the earlier versions of it And newer more ornate version.

Edit: Well might be less Garand-y than I had initially thought. But still an example.

Huh... I'd been led to believe this guy was some kind of lineart god... That's honestly rather mediocre. Para, RB are both heaps better, just to name two.

Well the have had the time that he didn't.

[Bajireyn]

If I remember correct, New Nickysllvania (Whose posts were deleted because of racism) made a Garand Lee-Enfield. Here's one of the earlier versions of it And newer more ornate version.

Edit: Well might be less Garand-y than I had initially thought. But still an example.

Huh... I'd been led to believe this guy was some kind of lineart god... That's honestly rather mediocre. Para, RB are both heaps better, just to name two.

Even the little I have could be considered better, at least I have shading and such.

Anyways, since my lolpup is almost done, does anyone have any ideas on what I should do next?

[Sevvania]

Huh... I'd been led to believe this guy was some kind of lineart god... That's honestly rather mediocre. Para, RB are both heaps better, just to name two.

Even the little I have could be considered better, at least I have shading and such.

Anyways, since my lolpup is almost done, does anyone have any ideas on what I should do next?

Your SAW. The futuristic M60-looking one.

[Bajireyn]

Even the little I have could be considered better, at least I have shading and such.

Anyways, since my lolpup is almost done, does anyone have any ideas on what I should do next?

Your SAW. The futuristic M60-looking one.

You mean the spess M60 / AVR3?

Its really just an M60 with a bunch of plastic crap taped on to it.

[Sevvania]

Your SAW. The futuristic M60-looking one.

You mean the spess M60 / AVR3?

Its really just an M60 with a bunch of plastic crap taped on to it.

Aye, but the plastic crap makes it FUTURE.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Archangel Futurifle] is best futurifle.

[Veceria]

If I remember correct, New Nickysllvania (Whose posts were deleted because of racism) made a Garand Lee-Enfield. Here's one of the earlier versions of it And newer more ornate version.

Edit: Well might be less Garand-y than I had initially thought. But still an example.

Huh... I'd been led to believe this guy was some kind of lineart god... That's honestly rather mediocre. Para, RB are both heaps better, just to name two.

You should've seen his drawings for uniforms. Or the bike cavalry guy. He was good. Very good.

[Benomia]

Archangel Futurifle] is best futurifle.

I am not understand. How would that cycle?

[Spreewerke]

You mean semi/full auto?

Semi is my preference, but if auto is possible I'd be interested to know.

FN-49

Potential for 7.62x39mm FG42 in Spreewerke ICly. Also, our main anti-tank weapon is dogs with landmines strapped to their friggin' heads backs. We also armed Volkswagen Beetles with 1-2 MG42s. Will also be using "Goliath" remote-controlled vehicles.

This is all past-time IC, of course, but I am interested in seeing how I will manage to get this to evolve more and more for MT use (if I can modify rather than replace out-right up to modern-time, that would be awesome).

Badassery.

DA. IS OF BADASSERY. Basically, the vast majority of my firearms will be improved Nazi-German-era firearms/vehicles/etc., and AKs. All of the AKs.

Being serious again, what actually is the opinion on this?
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I'm thinking that I ought to remove the folding stock and replace it with a buffer-tube-fitted fixed stock, though probably collapsible M4-style.

And maybe an additional variant that takes BR cartridges for no reason except for AKinallbutanameness

Nyet. 5.5mm hinge-pinned AK-100-series folding stock. Remove pin and you can drop in a folding triangle stock or a folding buffer tube (not available in the US, but I have seen a handful in Russian photographs) for collapsible and folding buttstocks (they don't latch themselves into place when folded, though: just flop).



Also, got my Hogue grips in this afternoon. I will install my Makarov's and take a photo real quick.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Archangel Futurifle] is best futurifle.

I am not understand. How would that cycle?

Russian magic. Essentially, it is too drunk to realize that it has no earthly business functioning properly.

There's actually a post several pages back that explains it. I'll see if I can find it.

[Fordorsia]

Archangel Futurifle] is best futurifle.

I am not understand. How would that cycle?

Blow forward operation.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

I am not understand. How would that cycle?

Blow forward operation.

Nyet.

This is the only description I have ever been able to find for it.

I'll be nice.

[quote=me] The details of how it works were published in a Russian defence journal in the early 1990s, and have shown up three or four times in western defence journals as a result. The most recent I know of being in 2001 in France.

People who say it is unknown are just perpetuating a myth. This is the internet, that's what happens.

For all those wondering, here's my best non-gun-expert way to explain it.
The weapon has a vertical sliding breech block, an operating rod (operates the bolt, extracts fired rounds and loads new ones), and the ejection tube.

When fired, a gas piston is actuated which interacts with the operating rod. The operating rod moves back, and via cams (I think cams is the best word) drops the breech block as it moves back. The rod continues to move back as another part of it catches the ejecting case and pulls it out (This part is slightly ahead of the new-cartridge portion). As the rod reaches the rear of its movement it slides over the magazine. A spring forward forces the rod to return forward, and as it moves it strips a round from the magazine, which also forces the spent cartridge up into the ejection tube. The rod continues forward, forcing the round into the chamber, and the breech block slides up under its own spring "locking" the weapon.

I can't remember if the block moving down or the rod moving back cocks the trigger mechanism, but one of them does. And it's a hammer.

Now important part to remember is that the part of the operating rod that moves the round into the chamber stays in the chamber, and so the chamber is technically not sealed. The block just holds the round in place while firing. The rod is in two parts, the piston/main part, and the pusher part for ramming a new cartridge in, which is attached to, but given some degree of movement from, the main rod. This allows the main rod to move slightly to unlock the block.

I know I made it sound more complicated then it actually is. It's quite simple, and very robust. It's also lulzy easy to make, clean, and maintain.

[Bajireyn]

You mean the spess M60 / AVR3?

Its really just an M60 with a bunch of plastic crap taped on to it.

Aye, but the plastic crap makes it FUTURE.

I'll do the AVR3 later, however I kinda want to do some sort of OICW system.

Any ideas?

[Spreewerke]

Die Ubergavin!

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I think I just had an orgavin.



Also, Hogue slip-on grip looks horrible, but feels decent. Not important: got it for the girlfriend since she was wanting to see what one felt like on a Makarov. I'm assuming she'll like it, which means I'll have to get another Makarov. At least the Hogue is already cut-out for it.