Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mod 7

[Samozaryadnyastan]

So I see.

[Benomia]

Have they?

What do you think?

When was that adopted?
Knows absolutely nothing about England

[Austria-Bohemia-Hungary]

Can I orgasm now? <.< PMG should totally get this...

You don't need PMG ... it's real ...

Needs it on PMG so I can play around with it...

[Kouralia]

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What do you think?

When was that adopted?
Knows absolutely nothing about England

Hmm, I wonder?

[Coltarin]

Not practical, practically obsolete before it's even been put into full production.

?

Three ejection buttons, no real differences from other rifles.

[Giroad]

AK-150!



Perhaps not. The US doesn't seem to be adopting a bullpup anytime soon.

The British military didn't seem to be preparing to adopt a bull-pup rifle anytime soon in 1950.

There is now bub.

Indeed. His military might just designate their rifle the AK-48. I mean, many things like ammo used in the Kouralian tanks are the RL counterparts with one number increased to the end.

Cheers!

[Benomia]

When was that adopted?
Knows absolutely nothing about England

Hmm, I wonder?

You don't have to be so condescending.

[Bafuria]

Unless the statistics aren't in their favour .

Supposedly, that's rarely even a thing.
Studies have shown (and I would love to find them again) that they do make your home safer, even without having to kill the intruder or even discharge the weapon; higher rates of licensed concealed carry does reduce the length of shooting sprees and as consequence, gun free zones are dangerous entirely for that reason; with more than 275mn firearms in legal circulation, there are only 9-13k firearm homicides per year - just five times as many deaths per registered gun in England and Wales (NI apparently has 22 guns per citizen, 25% that of the US - its number of firearm homicides per registered firearm is a little over 25% of that of the US). I think that last point is pretty remarkable, actually.

I would also like to point out the the US homicide rate back in the 1950's was the same as it is today, even though the rate of household gun ownership has declined, gun control has increased and the fact that emergency medical care was much less advanced back then.
Homicide rates are almost entirely explained by socioeconomic and demographic factors.

Also, mass shootings are extremely rare, the annual risk the average American faces of being killed in a shooting spree is about 0.0000033%

EDIT: This thread grow too fast, 5 pages have passed since I started writing this post.

[Kouralia]

Hmm, I wonder?

You don't have to be so condescending.

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

[Veceria]

You don't need PMG ... it's real ...

Needs it on PMG so I can play around with it...

I guess you could create it by spending some time playing around on PMG

[Novia Soviet Socialist Republic]

Infantry standard issue is the AK 107 and the AEK 971 for paratroopers' side arm is the P228 chambered in .45 ACP.
Our infantry rocket system is the RPG-7v2 and the carl gustav MAAWS 82mm recoiless rifle

[Forge Alfa-Niner-Six]

Firearms and Support Weapons Used By Forge A-69

Main Armament:
DR-5 mk.3 (aka. "White Elephant"; "Mircale Whip"; "Hellman's")
Type: Assault Rifle
Designer: Morgenstern Defense Industries
Weight: 3kg empty, 4.2kg loaded
Length: 730mm
Barrel Length: 540mm (155mm per twist)
Cartridge: 4.73x33mm caseless ammunition
Action: Gas-perated, roatry breech, selective fire
Rate of fire (full auto): 660 rounds/minute
Rate of fire (3-round burst): 2200 rounds/minute
Muzzle Velocity: 926 m/s
Effective Range: 450m
Feed system: 50 or 75-round detachable box magazine
Sights: Integral optical sight

The DR-5 mk.3 is the main production assault rifle utilized by Forge A-69's Field and Territory Division (FTD), the functional "army" of FA-69 and the largest part of FA-69's Corporate Security Services (CSS.) It was initially developed in the 60's and came to fruition in the 80's by the now-defunct Gesellschaft für Hülsenlose Gewehrsysteme, a conglomeration of companies led by what was then known as Heckler & Koch. This weapon was created for West Germany's Bundeswehr as the H&K G11 and entered limited production, however, when the Berlin Wall fell and the two German nations became united, the economic pressure of having to support the former East German citizens and refitting what was once East Germany caused the funds for this weapon to dry up. For awhile, only Germany's special forces were permitted to use this weapon but eventually, even they switched to more conventional firearms.

Walmart purchased Heckler & Koch during the global depression in 2052 and all of their associated patents. Seeing potential in the G11, Walmart decided to pass the technology along to their subsidiary, Morgenstern Defense Industries, and ordered them to improve and update the technology used in this nearly century-old weapon, resulting in the DR-5 mk.1. Though the DR-5 mk.1 performed adequately in laboratory conditions, its performance left much to be desired in actual battlefield conditions.

Though the mk.2 would see some significant improvements, it was never introduced as improvements in optics, propellant, and metamaterials forced the engineers at Morgenstern to go back to the drawing board, resulting in the lighter, more wieldy mk.3 which has seen consistent use for the past 20 years. While the DR-1 can be considered as having a "bullpup" configuration, the caseless ammunition eliminates the need for specific configuration for left or right-handed operators; there's no brass ejection to worry about.

The weapon has enjoyed much success with FTD operators though consistent use has resulted in some complaining about a persistent "mayonnaise" aftertaste that they can never seem to get rid of. The scientists and engineers at Morgenstern has consistently assured Corporate Security Services that this is most likely due to the exotic food that their rations contain and has nothing to do with the new propellant being used - though nobody has ever specifically blamed the propellant...

As venerable as the DR-1 mk.3 is, this weapon is about to be phased-out for more efficient coil guns that function in a similar fashion to the "Metal Storm" weapons that saw production in the late 1990's and early 2000's. It is not yet clear when this transition shall occur.

[Benomia]

You don't have to be so condescending.

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

It's more like asking when a bolt-action rifle was introduced in Germany. See the difference?

[Punton]

Actual explosives mind you. The crust doesn't taste like plastic for nothing.

[The Zeonic States]

You don't have to be so condescending.

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

While that's not really a good comparision; They were introduced a while after they were manufactured for Military usage.

As in almost an Entire Year went by before they were formally adopted in 35 and this of course after the trials the military ran the rifle on.

o.o Good rifle though! Man my grand father's was made in 1936! And it still works excellently; Admittedly i had to do some minor repairwork when it came into my possesion but for a rifle almost a century old? It needed relatively small amounts of maintence.

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

It's more like asking when a bolt-action rifle was introduced in Germany. See the difference?

1935-1936 and it continued mass production runs until 45

[Benomia]

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

While that's not really a good comparision; They were introduced a while after they were manufactured for Military usage.

As in almost an Entire Year went by before they were formally adopted in 35 and this of course after the trials the military ran the rifle on.

o.o Good rifle though! Man my grand father's was made in 1936! And it still works excellently; Admittedly i had to do some minor repairwork when it came into my possesion but for a rifle almost a century old? It needed relatively small amounts of maintence.

It's more like asking when a bolt-action rifle was introduced in Germany. See the difference?

1935-1936 and it continued mass production runs until 45

[The Zeonic States]

While that's not really a good comparision; They were introduced a while after they were manufactured for Military usage.

As in almost an Entire Year went by before they were formally adopted in 35 and this of course after the trials the military ran the rifle on.

o.o Good rifle though! Man my grand father's was made in 1936! And it still works excellently; Admittedly i had to do some minor repairwork when it came into my possesion but for a rifle almost a century old? It needed relatively small amounts of maintence.



1935-1936 and it continued mass production runs until 45

...Did i miss something? We aren't dicussing the Karabiner 98?

[Immoren]

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

It's more like asking when a bolt-action rifle was introduced in Germany. See the difference?

You could've still easily have found it with google.

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Actual explosives mind you. The crust doesn't taste like plastic for nothing.

I bet farts after eating that are explosive.

[Spreewerke]

Well, to be fair, that is a really basic question. It's like me asking when the Kar98K was introduced.

While that's not really a good comparision; They were introduced a while after they were manufactured for Military usage.

As in almost an Entire Year went by before they were formally adopted in 35 and this of course after the trials the military ran the rifle on.

o.o Good rifle though! Man my grand father's was made in 1936! And it still works excellently; Admittedly i had to do some minor repairwork when it came into my possesion but for a rifle almost a century old? It needed relatively small amounts of maintence.

It's more like asking when a bolt-action rifle was introduced in Germany. See the difference?

1935-1936 and it continued mass production runs until 45

The Kar98k is the carbine version of the Gewehr 1898 introduced in, well, 1898.

Infantry standard issue is the AK 107 and the AEK 971 for paratroopers' side arm is the P228 chambered in .45 ACP.
Our infantry rocket system is the RPG-7v2 and the carl gustav MAAWS 82mm recoiless rifle

I would just stick to the AK-107 instead of trying to run it alongside the AEK-971. However, if you can afford to manufacture both, I guess it's really personal preference of which of the two you prefer to produce. It would simplify things if you simply chose one or the other, however. Assuming you're advancing from the AK-74M, though, the AK-107 would make the most since as there are still several parts shared between those two platforms, meaning you need not reinstall every piece of machinery in the factories.

[Benomia]

...Did i miss something? We aren't dicussing the Karabiner 98?

No, we're not. We were discussing the future of weaponry.

[Night Elven Empire]

...Did i miss something? We aren't dicussing the Karabiner 98?

No, we're not. We were discussing the future of weaponry.

*Is still taking notes to update his country's weapon choices*

[Samozaryadnyastan]

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The People's Standing Army presently field the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 1 "Doberman" (SA-AR-1) Battle Rifle in its Mod 3 variant. A 7.62mm Samozniy (shortened, de-rimmed 7.62x54mmR) select-fire bullpup battle rifle built with the long-stroke pattern gas mechanism, and a range of barrel lengths for multiple purposes. A 14.5" Carbine for the Carbine SuperShort variant, a 21" Standard Rifle variant and a 30" HBAR support weapon, suitable for use as either a Medium Automatic Rifle (as officially designated), or equally well as a DMR.
Recently, the PSA made the switch to the Mod 3-280 programme, rechambering to .280 Samozniy, a locally produced series based off the .280 British cartridge.

All three 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-1/Mod 3 platform
The magazines are of a 'casket' type, and a typically issued in 36-round 'standard' magazines and 72-round 'support' magazines. Due to the significant size of the 'support' magazine combined with the bullpup layout, work is currently ongoing into both a 'low-capacity' 56-round magazine and also a 72-round snail drum magazine.
The Samozniy Department of Law & Order's Combat Brigade utilises a specialised variant of the AR-1 platform (third weapon from top in main image):
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The top rifle is equipped with a 24" precision bull barrel, RIS handguard to mount a stabilising bipod, adapted top cover, modified semi-automatic-only selector switch and a 1.5x-6x zoom scope. The second rifle is intended for the Civilian market. It features the same adapted top cover and semi-automatic-only selector switch as the Police model, but is equipped with only an 18" bull barrel and no provision to mount a bipod, featuring a non-removable non-railed variant of the standard handguard. Its depicted optic is only of 1x-4x zoom magnification. Both rifles are equipped with conventional 20-round magazines.
The fourth weapon down is a 12ga shotgun conversion of the system, by boring out the 25.5" HBAR from the MAR and modifying one of the SR-3's twenty-round magazines to hold five 12ga shotshells. This conversion is actually made to the Mod 3-E export variant (7.62x51mm NATO), as the OA/length dimensions of the shell are identical to that of 7.62x51

PSA forces also utilise the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 2 "Pitbull" (SA-AR-2) Assault Carbine in its Mod 3 variant. Chambered for the indigenous 5.45x45mm Samozniy intermediate cartridge, it combines adequate short-medium range lethality against lightly-armoured infantry. The round provides a portmanteau of the reliable feeding and ubiquitous nature of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge's case with the Russian 5.45x39mm bullet for various ballistic improvements that do not require a jump to a whole new cartridge, as other ballistically high-performing rounds such as the 6.5 Grendel would. The 5.45x45 is capable of feeding directly from 5.56 magazines.

All five 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-2/Mod 3 platform
As shown above are the 10", 12.5" and 14.5" 'Carbine' variant rifles with direct impingement gas operation and standard receivers - the lower two rifles are a 16" 'Rifle' and an 18" HBAR/Bull Barrel capable of light support work. Both the 16" and 18" barrels use a short-stroke piston with adapted, strengthened receiver bodies.
In Samozniy PSA service, only the 10" Carbine and 18" HBAR variants are used. Spetsnaz forces occasionally utilise the 16" Rifle, but the 12.5", 14.5" DI and 16" short-stroke barrel options are intended primarily for the export market. All three 'Carbine' length barrels can be upgraded to short-stroke operation, requiring specially-shortened gas pistons and being mounted on the strengthened receivers.

Before the recent re-introduction of the Doberman battle rifle, PSA forces used the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 3 "Rottweiler" (SA-AR-3) Modular Combat Rifle family in the Mod 2 variant. Again adopting the bullpup format and the 5.45x45mm Samozniy cartridge, the weapon was intended to be a part of the "Soldat Budushchego" (Future Soldier) programme as part of a re-branding of the PSA forces. The Mod 2 variant revisits the slim, straight, sleek appearance of the Mod 0 original-issue variant, departing from the over-engineered bulk of the Mod 1.
As with all Samozniy Military Industries rifles, the weapon features a number of variants - an 8" barrel 'PDW' without a handguard, a 12.5" Carbine with handguard, 16" standard rifle and 20" HBAR/Support.

16" and 12.5" variant barrels, with standard and carbine stocks respectively
The 'dual-surface' fore-end was designed to maximise control over the weapon, whether precision shooting at range or automatic fire in CQB. The standard handguard is intended for conventional use - medium-range single or burst firing, while the foregrip/trigger guard module is intended to maximise control with automatic fire, by providing a tight, close grip between the hands, aiming to reduce muzzle climb.

[Benomia]

No, we're not. We were discussing the future of weaponry.

*Is still taking notes to update his country's weapon choices*

Well don't use the Kar98k.
You could probably get away with using the AK-45...you know, the 9mm version.

[Spreewerke]

*Is still taking notes to update his country's weapon choices*

Well don't use the Kar98k.
You could probably get away with using the AK-45...you know, the 9mm version.

What?

No, we're not. We were discussing the future of weaponry.

*Is still taking notes to update his country's weapon choices*

Is your country influenced by NATO, the Warsaw Pact, or are you neutral in terms of weapons procurement? You said it would be ~2050AD when these were to be fielded? What terrain will you most likely be operating in (mountains, plains, cities, jungles)? Do you value absolute reliability over accuracy, accuracy over absolute reliability, or would you prefer the best in-between possible? Is a sidearm being issued to infantry, or officers/crewmen only?

[The Zeonic States]

While that's not really a good comparision; They were introduced a while after they were manufactured for Military usage.

As in almost an Entire Year went by before they were formally adopted in 35 and this of course after the trials the military ran the rifle on.

o.o Good rifle though! Man my grand father's was made in 1936! And it still works excellently; Admittedly i had to do some minor repairwork when it came into my possesion but for a rifle almost a century old? It needed relatively small amounts of maintence.



1935-1936 and it continued mass production runs until 45

The Kar98k is the carbine version of the Gewehr 1898 introduced in, well, 1898.

Infantry standard issue is the AK 107 and the AEK 971 for paratroopers' side arm is the P228 chambered in .45 ACP.
Our infantry rocket system is the RPG-7v2 and the carl gustav MAAWS 82mm recoiless rifle

I would just stick to the AK-107 instead of trying to run it alongside the AEK-971. However, if you can afford to manufacture both, I guess it's really personal preference of which of the two you prefer to produce. It would simplify things if you simply chose one or the other, however. Assuming you're advancing from the AK-74M, though, the AK-107 would make the most since as there are still several parts shared between those two platforms, meaning you need not reinstall every piece of machinery in the factories.

Indeed it is! Although is it strange i prefer the carbine to the Gewehr? I mean we are talking about a LONG line of mauser rifles and this one was one of the last in line; It has the best of the techology of the day to make it preform on par with anything the Allies could toss at it.

Hell they actually made a workable supression for the gun; A carbine with a suppresor in the 40s? You don't see that much; Pity because i would love to compare it to other supressed rilfes of the day but i lack a supressor for the 98 and a another supressed rifle.

Anyway i am begining to ramble, I just consider the 98 a...Improved version of the Gewehr espeically considering how the techology evolved from world war one to two.

I mean heck that would like comparing the 1888 to the 98 You know? I mean heck the 88 was designed back when smokeless black powder was a big new interesting thing! But i would consider those two guns entirely seperate if of the same family, same for the 98 and Carbine 98.

I track each of their histories of course because they all led to the same place; they were all part of the Mauser family.

...Did i miss something? We aren't dicussing the Karabiner 98?

No, we're not. We were discussing the future of weaponry.

Oh; I prefer to look at the past then speculate upon the future; Because the past is what shapes the present and the present is what shapes the future.