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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:02 am

Nua Corda wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:Why is everyone making them legal or compulsory.


Because outlawing them entirely is stupid. What about sport shooters, hunters, collectors or action film makers? As to compulsory, I'd only say that's justified in the case of a Swiss-style system.


Fun isn't permitted and our military don't even require them - I have found an ingenious MT way around it but it requires you not minding wanton destruction.

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Postby Veceria » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:04 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Because outlawing them entirely is stupid. What about sport shooters, hunters, collectors or action film makers? As to compulsory, I'd only say that's justified in the case of a Swiss-style system.


Fun isn't permitted and our military don't even require them - I have found an ingenious MT way around it but it requires you not minding wanton destruction.

Fun isn't permitted?
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Postby Nanovia » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:04 am

Gun Ownership is compulsatory in the event of war. Every citizen is allowed anything up to one semi-atuo rifle

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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:05 am

Veceria wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Fun isn't permitted and our military don't even require them - I have found an ingenious MT way around it but it requires you not minding wanton destruction.

Fun isn't permitted?


Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.

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Postby Amerikians » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:06 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Veceria wrote:Fun isn't permitted?


Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.


There is literally no way to enforce that.
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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:07 am

Amerikians wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.


There is literally no way to enforce that.


1984.

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Postby Veceria » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:07 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Veceria wrote:Fun isn't permitted?


Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.

That sounds like an easy way to get a revolution started in your nation, tbh.
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Postby Tairoth » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:08 am

Keeping Firearms Since 1947 have been illegal for obvious reasons......

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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:09 am

Veceria wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.

That sounds like an easy way to get a revolution started in your nation, tbh.


That's why guns are illegal and we have targeting drones to aim our missiles, at hostile areas.

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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:09 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
Because outlawing them entirely is stupid. What about sport shooters, hunters, collectors or action film makers? As to compulsory, I'd only say that's justified in the case of a Swiss-style system.


Fun isn't permitted and our military don't even require them - I have found an ingenious MT way around it but it requires you not minding wanton destruction.


I severely doubt that would be possible without wanking and/or godmoding.

Veceria wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Fun breeds individuality and our constitution outlaws that.

That sounds like an easy way to get a revolution started in your nation, tbh.


This

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Amerikians wrote:
There is literally no way to enforce that.


1984.


No. The Grammaton Cleric is the best anti-individuality force, tbh

Tairoth wrote:Keeping Firearms Since 1947 have been illegal for obvious reasons......


Such as?
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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:11 am

Nua Corda wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Fun isn't permitted and our military don't even require them - I have found an ingenious MT way around it but it requires you not minding wanton destruction.


I severely doubt that would be possible without wanking and/or godmoding.

Veceria wrote:That sounds like an easy way to get a revolution started in your nation, tbh.



This

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
1984.


No. The Grammaton Cleric is the best anti-individuality force, tbh

Tairoth wrote:Keeping Firearms Since 1947 have been illegal for obvious reasons......


Such as?


Our MAVs target hostile areas which we then bomb the shit out of.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:12 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
I severely doubt that would be possible without wanking and/or godmoding.




This



No. The Grammaton Cleric is the best anti-individuality force, tbh



Such as?


Our MAVs target hostile areas which we then bomb the shit out of.


EMP, hacking, signal jamming all say hello.
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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:13 am

The right to bear arms being integral to the maintenance of a free and secure state the Federation has made among it's chief goals the ready availability of firearms. The Des-Balian Government endorses private gun ownership. Non-Automatic and Non-Explosive firearms can be owned by any Des-Balian citizen with a valid Class C or higher Citizen ID. If they have upgraded to a Class B license then fully automatic weapons including belt fed heavy machine guns and explosive weapons including anti-tank and anti-aircraft missiles. An individual with an upgraded Class A or Class S is permitted to own ordinance that is not man-portable ordinance including mobile anti-aircraft cannons and surface to surface missiles. The Government has also ratified the Des-Balian Bill of Universal Armament allowing the sale of military surplus at discount prices. The law also ordered the manufacture of the "Long John" .38 caliber revolver and made it available at any Tax Office to any citizen with a valid Class C or higher Des-Balian Citizen ID for a fixed price of eleven Khuul.
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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:14 am

Nua Corda wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Our MAVs target hostile areas which we then bomb the shit out of.


EMP, hacking, signal jamming all say hello.


EMPs are only effective at a certain level, hacking only works if my defense system is retarded, signal jamming is the same as the previous.

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Postby Bojikami » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:15 am

What's the status of firearm ownership in your nation?

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Postby Amerikians » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:16 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Amerikians wrote:
There is literally no way to enforce that.


1984.


If you didn't notice and actually read the book; Individuality? That happened. "Fun"? That happened.

It's impossible to enforce laws that stagnant society.

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Postby BushSucks-istan » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:18 am

They are banned. Only police and soldiers may have firearms. You know, so that people don't kill each other.
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Postby Eastern Slavia » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:18 am

It requires approval with the Ministry of Internal Affairs, which requires an individual to be interview face to face at the MVDs headquarters. Upon approval of application for a firearms license they are able to obtain firearms. If one has served their 2 years in the military or other applicable services they automatically receive the license upon discharge.

Mostly surplus weapons get approved for civilian ownership - lots of things up until the 70's are commonplace, so long as it is not in a caliber that the military uses(so there are crates and crates of AK-47,AKM,RPK/RPD, and various WWII arms but 5,45 and 9x39 weapons are forbidden; 7,62R and pistol calibers are exempt). Imported arms are not common due to their high price and limited availability for 'exotic' cartridges. They are also bound to the rule that they cannot be in a current use military cartridge.
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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:18 am

Amerikians wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
1984.


If you didn't notice and actually read the book; Individuality? That happened. "Fun"? That happened.

It's impossible to enforce laws that stagnant society.

/threadjackingover.


Yes I watched the film, fun didn't seem to happen and neither did individuality.

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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:19 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
EMP, hacking, signal jamming all say hello.


EMPs are only effective at a certain level, hacking only works if my defense system is retarded, signal jamming is the same as the previous.


You don't know how EMPs or Signal Jamming work, do you? Now, EMP can be hardened against to a degree, though that's expensive and makes the system bulky and heavy, but a signal jammer is rather like a honeybadger; it don't give a fuck what your hardware or software is, it just stops one set from receiving instructions from the other set.

Not to mention that fighting Insurgents from the air is a terrible way to do it. Didn't work in Vietnam, didn't work in Iraq, and it's not working in Afghanistan. You need boots on the ground to win a war.
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Postby Osaea » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:20 am

We have a system like that of the Republic of China in Taiwan--the indigenous living in their established communities are allowed to own hunting rifles for traditional hunting, though the only hunting grounds that still exist, thanks to climate change, are in the northern frontier where population density is rather low anyway. They have to register them, but since they only serve one purpose, they're sponsored by the government in the same way tractors or farming tools are.

The rest of the population, on the other hand, don't get them. Active duty military personnel and veterans aren't allowed to keep their firearms in their homes (they're stored in arsenals and armories), and since we've ended compulsory service, there's also the fact that 95% of the population, at least, doesn't know how to properly use a firearm anyway, and aren't educated in firearm safety. They are municipal shooting clubs, though most of them are involved in ranged shooting and performances, rather than hunting, and the firearms they use are property of the clubs themselves (almost always run by the local government or by the Young Pioneers, the Osaean youth movement, though those have an obvious age restriction).

They're uncommon among metropolitan police, and since we have a very high level of urbanization (over 80%), that means they're uncommon among police everywhere. The NPA's rank-and-file aren't expected to answer a hostage crisis or a lone gunman anyway, that's the domain of the Internal Army (which is run along military lines).

On the flip side, there's a burgeoning fanbase for increasingly realistic airsoft guns imported from Japan, Taiwan, et cetera. Since actual firearms are exceedingly rare, youngsters and adults are allowed to enjoy their skirmish the same way one might enjoy a game of basketball--you can't very well play it in the street, but a park or a gymnasium is fair game. There's no registration system for them either, though police detaining hooligans for unintentional injuries during airsoft skirmishes is not unheard of.
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Postby The Incorporated States of the Antarctic » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:23 am

Nua Corda wrote:
The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
EMPs are only effective at a certain level, hacking only works if my defense system is retarded, signal jamming is the same as the previous.


You don't know how EMPs or Signal Jamming work, do you? Now, EMP can be hardened against to a degree, though that's expensive and makes the system bulky and heavy, but a signal jammer is rather like a honeybadger; it don't give a fuck what your hardware or software is, it just stops one set from receiving instructions from the other set.

Not to mention that fighting Insurgents from the air is a terrible way to do it. Didn't work in Vietnam, didn't work in Iraq, and it's not working in Afghanistan. You need boots on the ground to win a war.


Thats because I never attack, it is purely for defense. I don't care about expense and the bulky thing, these sorts of problems can generally solved by giving more money to clever people, the signal jammer can be blocked against by the same reason as the previous.

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Postby Des-Bal » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:25 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Our MAVs target hostile areas which we then bomb the shit out of.


Attempting to win a war exclusively via aerial combat is an excellent way to lose a war. Not to mention any nation with a half decent air defense will laugh at your feeble attempts to land a decisive blow while slaughtering your military one hundred to one due to the fact they are apparently fighting with sharp sticks and unfriendly sneers. But it is neither the duty nor the right of the Federation to correct the ignorant behavior of lesser nations only to warn you of your errors and ultimately profit from the looting of your civilizations charred remains when your failure to employ effective military tactics inevitably wipes your people out.
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Postby Nua Corda » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:26 am

The Incorporated States of the Antarctic wrote:
Nua Corda wrote:
You don't know how EMPs or Signal Jamming work, do you? Now, EMP can be hardened against to a degree, though that's expensive and makes the system bulky and heavy, but a signal jammer is rather like a honeybadger; it don't give a fuck what your hardware or software is, it just stops one set from receiving instructions from the other set.

Not to mention that fighting Insurgents from the air is a terrible way to do it. Didn't work in Vietnam, didn't work in Iraq, and it's not working in Afghanistan. You need boots on the ground to win a war.


Thats because I never attack, it is purely for defense. I don't care about expense and the bulky thing, these sorts of problems can generally solved by giving more money to clever people, the signal jammer can be blocked against by the same reason as the previous.


Even worse; Infantry are necessary to hold a position. You can attack with a combined armored and air assault, and have a reasonable chance, but armed infantry are essential for defense.

"It'll be invented" is wanking if you're MT, and open to argument in FT or PMT.
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Postby Oneracon » Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:28 am

The constitution of Oneracon contains no explicit right to bear arms, and has no implicit right per the ruling of HRM v. Brewster.

Ownership of firearms designed exclusively to kill/injure other people (handguns, assault rifles, etc.) by the general public are banned completely under the Private Weapon Restriction Act.

Ownership of firearms used for hunting is regulated under the Weapon Control Act. All hunting firearms must be registered with the Ministry of Public Safety, and all of such firearms must be stored in secure containers by their owner.

Ownership of firearms used for non-hunting sport, such as Olympic shooting, are regulated under the Dangerous Sports Act and are a joint responsibility of the Ministry of Public Safety and the Office of the Deputy Minister for Sport (Ministry of Health). Such weapons are required to be stored in sport facilities and feature a "nullification charge", a small explosive that damages a key part of the firing mechanism should the weapon be taken outside of the facility.

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