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New Carloso
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Postby New Carloso » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:38 pm

This is tres bad. Now how can I develop my world famous gud fuk missiles and other merchandise without access to the wiki. How? I cry every night.

In all seriousness, hope its up as soon as possible and the server gets more space. :p
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Victoriala
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Postby Victoriala » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:25 pm

New Carloso wrote:This is tres bad. Now how can I develop my world famous gud fuk missiles and other merchandise without access to the wiki. How? I cry every night.

In all seriousness, hope its up as soon as possible and the server gets more space. :p

We should, like have a temporary backup wiki when one fucks up so we can continue wikiing or smth
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Postby Kyrusia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 5:46 pm

Victoriala wrote:
New Carloso wrote:This is tres bad. Now how can I develop my world famous gud fuk missiles and other merchandise without access to the wiki. How? I cry every night.

In all seriousness, hope its up as soon as possible and the server gets more space. :p

We should, like have a temporary backup wiki when one fucks up so we can continue wikiing or smth

Considering that would require all of the information from the back-up database to then be re-imported to the "official" database, I don't see that happening.

Again, thank you for your patience. We apologize for the downtime everyone is experiencing, but these things happen - especially with how active IIwiki has become, how many gigabytes of files are uploaded on a daily basis, etc.
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Solm
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Postby Solm » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:09 pm

Hey everyone -

Thank you all for your patience. We have indeed run out of space. I have been out of town for the past week and have just gotten back. I will look into getting a temporary fix up by tonight and will look into permanent fixes this weekend.

I will keep you all updated.

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Postby Solm » Sat Mar 07, 2015 7:36 pm

Alright.

So, as assumed, the server is at capacity. We no longer have any disk space left on the server. I have done a lot of optimizing the last month to keep it going as long as I can, but we have reached the limit of my quick-fixes. I just cleared away some extraneous files, so we have enough disk space left to update the logs and run the web-server. That's the good news! The wiki is back up in read-only mode for now. All pages can be viewed normally. It would not, however, hurt to download a copy of your articles for yourself, just in case, as a backup.

So, for the technically-inclined, here are some stats of our incredible usage as of now:

  • 70,000 pageviews on average per week, that's about 10,000 a day or 250,000 a month.
  • The average session duration on IIwiki is 14 minutes, 45 seconds.
  • 15,717 total pages of content; a grand total of 58,427 pages.
  • 295,506 edits have been made since the start of IIwiki.
  • There are a total of 2,360 registered users on IIwiki; 289 active users.
  • 9,399,314 total views of content pages since IIwiki's creation.
  • 30,699 total files uploaded for a total of 27GB worth of images.
  • 40 gigabytes of total space taken on the server due to IIwiki.

I will keep you all updated with my progress and the future of IIwiki with the impending upgrade. Thanks for all your patience! Any questions, please post here or telegram me!

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Postby Questers » Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:03 pm

Solm wrote:Hey everyone -

Thank you all for your patience. We have indeed run out of space. I have been out of town for the past week and have just gotten back. I will look into getting a temporary fix up by tonight and will look into permanent fixes this weekend.

I will keep you all updated.
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Postby Kylarnatia » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:09 pm

I'm sure there are a few hundred of those pages and files which are dead / not longer updated or regularly accessed that could also be deleted, but I appreciate that - considering the large number of pages and small number of staff - this would not be a particularly easy task.

It'd also take quite a long time too, I'd reckon, because there'd be a number of pages that would fall into the "grey area" of not having been recently updated, but accessed regularly, or you might have currently active NS players with currently inactive IIWiki pages who are fully intent on updating and expanding them, but have still yet to get around to the job... *hangs head in shame*
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Postby Virana » Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:23 pm

Kylarnatia wrote:I'm sure there are a few hundred of those pages and files which are dead / not longer updated or regularly accessed that could also be deleted, but I appreciate that - considering the large number of pages and small number of staff - this would not be a particularly easy task.

For some of them, mass delete could work. Especially if it's possible to identify specific users who no longer frequent the wiki anymore. The only problem I see with it is if users do return and find their work deleted.

It'd also take quite a long time too, I'd reckon, because there'd be a number of pages that would fall into the "grey area" of not having been recently updated, but accessed regularly, or you might have currently active NS players with currently inactive IIWiki pages who are fully intent on updating and expanding them, but have still yet to get around to the job... *hangs head in shame*

Yup, you nailed it.
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Postby Luziyca » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:10 pm

I have heard that IIwiki may migrate to Google's servers, according to a chat I've had with Solm. The way he explained how he plans to manage this has helped reduce doubts, and shows how he's dedicated to keeping this place going, for at least a few more years. ;)
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Postby Radictistan » Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:58 pm

I'd pitch in some cash if it came to it. I just created a 1 MB xml file using the Export function. I'm already deeply invested. :blush:

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Postby Legendardisch » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:55 am

Hell even I would donate.
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Postby Lipnitia » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:11 am

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Postby Britanno » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:18 am

Legendardisch wrote:Hell even I would donate.

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Postby Hallowell » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:20 am

I hope someone's make backups of the Atlas pages.

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Postby Sjalhaven » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:48 am

Legendardisch wrote:Hell even I would donate.

I am sure I could donate some of the money that Nigerian prince gave me.
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Postby New Carloso » Sun Mar 08, 2015 6:29 am

Hallowell wrote:I hope someone's make backups of the Atlas pages.

*cough, cough MoI*

THL has since appointed me, Il Douche, as head of the Department of IIwiki. I assure you, I will do as little as possible to save backups of our wiki pages.
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Postby Valmont » Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:40 am

Kylarnatia wrote:I'm sure there are a few hundred of those pages and files which are dead / not longer updated or regularly accessed that could also be deleted, but I appreciate that - considering the large number of pages and small number of staff - this would not be a particularly easy task.

It'd also take quite a long time too, I'd reckon, because there'd be a number of pages that would fall into the "grey area" of not having been recently updated, but accessed regularly, or you might have currently active NS players with currently inactive IIWiki pages who are fully intent on updating and expanding them, but have still yet to get around to the job... *hangs head in shame*

I fall into this category too. In fact, it's typical that when I finally intend on continuing with my wiki, IIwiki is experiencing problems... Just my luck. :lol2:

Anyway hopefully the issues will be resolved and thank you Solm for keeping us updated! :)

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Postby Victoriala » Sun Mar 08, 2015 8:17 am

New Carloso wrote:
Hallowell wrote:I hope someone's make backups of the Atlas pages.

*cough, cough MoI*

THL has since appointed me, Il Douche, as head of the Department of IIwiki. I assure you, I will do as little as possible to save backups of our wiki pages.

Looks like we gotta export a lot to our personal wikis for now
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Postby Geadland » Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:23 am

Three suggestions for saving space:
  • Cutting down on revision history data. I doubt many users will need to know what their page looked like more than a year ago.
  • Encouraging smaller image uploads. Images take up a lot of file space, so directing users not to upload an image that is significantly larger than it needs to be would save a lot of file space.
  • Directing users to avoid uploading images that are available on WikiCommons. A lot of users don't actually know that you can access imagines that are available on Commons, but again it would save a lot of file space.
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Postby Layarteb » Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:15 pm

Geadland wrote:Three suggestions for saving space:
  • Cutting down on revision history data. I doubt many users will need to know what their page looked like more than a year ago.
  • Encouraging smaller image uploads. Images take up a lot of file space, so directing users not to upload an image that is significantly larger than it needs to be would save a lot of file space.
  • Directing users to avoid uploading images that are available on WikiCommons. A lot of users don't actually know that you can access imagines that are available on Commons, but again it would save a lot of file space.


#3 is excellent advice. I try to use images on Wikipedia and WikiCommons as much as possible and indeed, I wonder how many people know that this works?
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Postby Britanno » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:01 pm

Geadland wrote:Three suggestions for saving space:
  • Cutting down on revision history data. I doubt many users will need to know what their page looked like more than a year ago.
  • Encouraging smaller image uploads. Images take up a lot of file space, so directing users not to upload an image that is significantly larger than it needs to be would save a lot of file space.
  • Directing users to avoid uploading images that are available on WikiCommons. A lot of users don't actually know that you can access imagines that are available on Commons, but again it would save a lot of file space.

#3 is useful for non-people pictures, but when you make pages like elections or political parties, it's helpful to be able to remember the name of the file.
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Postby Solm » Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:48 pm

Just as a note: I am currently in the middle of transferring the bulk of images to the new server. I had to take IIwiki off the public internet in order to keep the images folder stable during the transfer. It will be back in read-only mode soon, thank you for your patience.

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Postby New Carloso » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:35 pm

Geadland wrote:Three suggestions for saving space:
  • Cutting down on revision history data. I doubt many users will need to know what their page looked like more than a year ago.
  • Encouraging smaller image uploads. Images take up a lot of file space, so directing users not to upload an image that is significantly larger than it needs to be would save a lot of file space.
  • Directing users to avoid uploading images that are available on WikiCommons. A lot of users don't actually know that you can access imagines that are available on Commons, but again it would save a lot of file space.

I'm likeing #1 and #3 alright. I'd be interested in how much space is taken up by these revisions though.
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Postby Valaran » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:38 pm

New Carloso wrote:
Hallowell wrote:I hope someone's make backups of the Atlas pages.

*cough, cough MoI*

THL has since appointed me, Il Douche, as head of the Department of IIwiki. I assure you, I will do as little as possible to save backups of our wiki pages.



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II Wiki: Announcement and Discussion Thread

Postby Derman Iles » Sun Mar 08, 2015 4:41 pm

What happened to the images on iiwiki?
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