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Hodori
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Postby Hodori » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:55 am

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Ularn
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Postby Ularn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:22 pm

Eireann Fae wrote:Actually, I don't own any devices powered by such batteries :x

If it's just about "looking better", longer tube anyway (which I answered with the first bit about aesthetic appeal). I just didn't see a reason you couldn't have batteries with different capacities. People that carry around machine guns don't carry around two different models (and if they did, I'm sure there are models that fire different types of ammo). They carry the one gun, and the ammo they need for that particular gun. As it stands, there are at least dozens of bullet calibres, for weapons of varying sizes and styles. If you're going to have two sizes of the weapon, what's wrong with two sizes of battery?

Tl;dr: longer battery case regardless of battery size :)

I know soldiers aren't going to be carrying two weapons of the same type around with them. However, someone has to supply them with the gun they do have, as well as supply another guy with his gun, which may be a different one because that guy has a different role. For example, one soldier might be special forces and have a sub-machinegun while another might be have a support role that only requires a pistol. For the guy who has to find both these other dudes' guns and the ammo for them, it makes his job a lot easier if they can both use the same type of ammo, since then he only has to fill out one requisition form, contact one supplier, intravenously inject one mug of coffee, etc. For this reason, it's most helpful to streamline the supply system as much as possible by having as many weapons as possible use the same parts so long as this doesn't affect combat performance. That's why so many USN weapons use the same batteries; it makes supplying them so much more straightforward.

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For simplicity's sake, the Ularn Space Navy tries to use the same battery in just about all of their guns, regardless of calibre or magazine size. Obviously this means the number of shots per battery varies depending on what gun it's loaded into but it's also been found to dramatically reduce the suicide rate among members of the logistics corps. In this gun each battery's probably good for about a thousand shots. In this one it's maybe fifty. In those cases the battery's usually replaced with a compatible plug socket feeding power from the operator's power armour but for arms this size it's pretty much always going to be the battery.
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Thu Oct 18, 2012 12:42 pm

Ularn wrote:For simplicity's sake, the Ularn Space Navy tries to use the same battery in just about all of their guns, regardless of calibre or magazine size. Obviously this means the number of shots per battery varies depending on what gun it's loaded into but it's also been found to dramatically reduce the suicide rate among members of the logistics corps. In this gun each battery's probably good for about a thousand shots. In this one it's maybe fifty. In those cases the battery's usually replaced with a compatible plug socket feeding power from the operator's power armour but for arms this size it's pretty much always going to be the battery.

Were you intending it to be a military weapon only? If that 's the case disregard my previous post and put the higher capacity battery on there; if the length doesn't affect storage capacity, then I say the short one looks better.
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Postby Ularn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 1:04 pm

The Two Jerseys wrote:
Ularn wrote:For simplicity's sake, the Ularn Space Navy tries to use the same battery in just about all of their guns, regardless of calibre or magazine size. Obviously this means the number of shots per battery varies depending on what gun it's loaded into but it's also been found to dramatically reduce the suicide rate among members of the logistics corps. In this gun each battery's probably good for about a thousand shots. In this one it's maybe fifty. In those cases the battery's usually replaced with a compatible plug socket feeding power from the operator's power armour but for arms this size it's pretty much always going to be the battery.

Were you intending it to be a military weapon only? If that 's the case disregard my previous post and put the higher capacity battery on there; if the length doesn't affect storage capacity, then I say the short one looks better.

Length probably doesn't affect storage capacity. I suppose this one's not really for military use but the company that builds it also makes just about all of my space navy's small arms so it tends to hold military applications in mind during the design process even if the gun's probably going to see most sales on the civilian market.

And I also think the short one looks better now :)
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Postby Ularn » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:08 pm

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Getting there; just need to do the platinum inlay and one or two other bits. After that I'll finish the tacticool version but I wanted to get the ornamental done first.

I like how it's turning out; got a much more retro-future or raygun gothic style compared to my usual sort of stuff.
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Postby Celritannia » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:11 pm

Ularn wrote:Getting there; just need to do the platinum inlay and one or two other bits. After that I'll finish the tacticool version but I wanted to get the ornamental done first.

I like how it's turning out; got a much more retro-future or raygun gothic style compared to my usual sort of stuff.


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Postby Alimeria II » Thu Oct 18, 2012 2:51 pm

Ularn wrote:Getting there; just need to do the platinum inlay and one or two other bits. After that I'll finish the tacticool version but I wanted to get the ornamental done first.

I like how it's turning out; got a much more retro-future or raygun gothic style compared to my usual sort of stuff.

So awesome I now am going to buy a bunch of these and turn CythYar into a Gentlemanly FT empire.

Or have a CythYar Colony that has officers using this,
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Inoffensive Centrist Democracy

Postby Hamittia » Thu Oct 18, 2012 11:05 pm

Alimeria II wrote:into a Gentlemanly FT empire.

one does not simply ruin gentlemanliness
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Postby Dorlania » Fri Oct 19, 2012 5:37 am

Hamittia wrote:
Alimeria II wrote:into a Gentlemanly FT empire.

one does not simply ruin gentlemanliness

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Postby Graditora » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:11 am

Ularn wrote:Getting there; just need to do the platinum inlay and one or two other bits. After that I'll finish the tacticool version but I wanted to get the ornamental done first.

I like how it's turning out; got a much more retro-future or raygun gothic style compared to my usual sort of stuff.

That pistol grip is way to round... for my liking anyway but it's great work.

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Postby Ularn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 8:48 am

Graditora wrote:
Ularn wrote:Getting there; just need to do the platinum inlay and one or two other bits. After that I'll finish the tacticool version but I wanted to get the ornamental done first.

I like how it's turning out; got a much more retro-future or raygun gothic style compared to my usual sort of stuff.

That pistol grip is way to round... for my liking anyway but it's great work.

Oh ya I have the computer back just not a monitor. :(

The grips were based on these sorts of things since I was aiming for an ornamental antique feel for this one. There's also going to be a tacticooled version though, which will have a more sensible looking grip.
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Postby Imeriata » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:03 am

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Continuing with a destroyer, now with a figurehead that have to be reintroduced on every other class of ships.
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Postby Hamittia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:31 am

Imeriata wrote:([url=http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z290/ostens/destroyer-3-1.jpg]Image)[/url]
Continuing with a destroyer, now with a figurehead that have to be reintroduced on every other class of ships.

turrets that far back = bad idea tm
looks like your crew has little space to live in
vls set up so close to sides = bad idea tm
also, missiles must be shown above the area theyre launched from

also what kind of figurehead is that
it doesnt even look like a topless woman or anything
you really disappoint, imer
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Postby Imeriata » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:39 am

Hamittia wrote:turrets that far back = bad idea tm

T'is? why?
Hamittia wrote:looks like your crew has little space to live in

hmm fair enough
Hamittia wrote:vls set up so close to sides = bad idea tm

getting corrected, also I seriously doubt that you have a trademark on the term "bad idea"
Hamittia wrote:also, missiles must be shown above the area theyre launched from

So say those silly shipbucket people!
Hamittia wrote:also what kind of figurehead is that

it doesnt even look like a topless woman or anything
you really disappoint, imer[/quote]
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Postby Hamittia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 10:45 am

Imeriata wrote:T'is? why?

captain adderskjold: this ship is mightly slow
sailor baldricksen: yes it is milord
captain adderskjold: are the shafts not running
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Imeriata wrote:getting corrected, also I seriously doubt that you have a trademark on the term "bad idea"

i dont
its patented to ns as a whole
Imeriata wrote:So say those silly shipbucket people!

so say we all
Imeriata wrote:T'is a lion! warships have those!

not proper warships haw haw
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Democratic Socialists

Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:06 am

Hamittia wrote:
Imeriata wrote:So say those silly shipbucket people!

so say we all


I never agreed to this slightly assinine format. Who cares if the missiles aren't directly above their launchers? Oh, wait, dem shipbucketeers. Blasted elitists.
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Postby Hamittia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:10 am

Gawdzendia wrote:I never agreed to this slightly assinine format. Who cares if the missiles aren't directly above their launchers? Oh, wait, dem shipbucketeers. Blasted elitists.

its extremely simple
it shows what missile is launched where

ohmahgawd the masses are oppressed those elitists and their precise missile thingies!
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Postby Galla- » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:13 am

Hamittia wrote:
Gawdzendia wrote:I never agreed to this slightly assinine format. Who cares if the missiles aren't directly above their launchers? Oh, wait, dem shipbucketeers. Blasted elitists.

its extremely simple
it shows what missile is launched where

ohmahgawd the masses are oppressed those elitists and their precise missile thingies!


Missiles in SB are oversized. Hardly "precise".

I drew a to-scale RIM-55 and people said it was a Sea Sparrow tbh.
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Postby Hamittia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:15 am

Galla- wrote:Missiles in SB are oversized. Hardly "precise".

fdscale best scale anyways
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Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:17 am

Hamittia wrote:
Gawdzendia wrote:I never agreed to this slightly assinine format. Who cares if the missiles aren't directly above their launchers? Oh, wait, dem shipbucketeers. Blasted elitists.

its extremely simple
it shows what missile is launched where

ohmahgawd the masses are oppressed those elitists and their precise missile thingies!


Pfft, why would I care if the masses are oppressed or not. :p

What happens when multiple types of missiles can come out of the same launcher? Then theyll have to be offset a bit, which is totally unacceptaburr!

Well maybe you could line them up vertically? That might imply to those who can't interpret without a direct visual link between launcher and launchee that they are fired as a group from one launcher! TOTALLY UNACCEPTABURR!
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Postby Hamittia » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:19 am

Gawdzendia wrote:What happens when multiple types of missiles can come out of the same launcher?

not sure whyd you be doing that
then again i know shit-all mt so balls to that
Gawdzendia wrote:Well maybe you could line them up vertically? That might imply to those who can't interpret without a direct visual link between launcher and launchee that they are fired as a group from one launcher! TOTALLY UNACCEPTABURR!

not sure why nutters would be viewing sb ships
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Postby The Two Jerseys » Fri Oct 19, 2012 11:41 am

Hamittia wrote:
Gawdzendia wrote:What happens when multiple types of missiles can come out of the same launcher?

not sure whyd you be doing that
then again i know shit-all mt so balls to that
Gawdzendia wrote:Well maybe you could line them up vertically? That might imply to those who can't interpret without a direct visual link between launcher and launchee that they are fired as a group from one launcher! TOTALLY UNACCEPTABURR!

not sure why nutters would be viewing sb ships

I believe he's referring to a VLS or rail launcher where multiple types of missile can be launched from the same launcher.

As for SB guidelines on missiles, I can see the purpose of showing the missiles above the launchers if you have VLS/rails in multiple places, since it's possible that not all missile types are launched from both launchers; also with VLS, it makes it easier to find the launchers in profile view. If you have Harpoon/Tomahawk box launchers, I say it doesn't matter where you draw the missile since we can figure out which launcher it comes from. (Unless we're one of Ham's nutters who shouldn't be viewing SB in the first place, but who really cares about them anyway?)
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Postby Ularn » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:20 pm

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Postby Galla- » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:33 pm

What sort of technologically degenerate, backwards spaceAfrican state still has corporeal bodies in major use? Pffffffffffffffft.

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Teh futur~~~

Hamittia wrote:
Galla- wrote:Missiles in SB are oversized. Hardly "precise".

fdscale best scale anyways


Said scale being?

Bestscales should be focused around whole, round numbers. Like 1:10, 1:1, 10:1, etc. >:
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Postby Veceria » Fri Oct 19, 2012 12:35 pm

Galla- wrote:What sort of technologically degenerate, backwards spaceAfrican state still has corporeal bodies in major use? Pffffffffffffffft.

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