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Referendum on Outlawing Political Parties?

Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:13 am

In Nordengrund all far- left and far- right ideologies have been banned from the government. Though it is not illegal to be a socialist, you just cannot have representation in the government or pass any socialist laws.

We have thought about becoming a non- partisan state, and we are one, but we have not banned any political parties except socialism and communism.

Nordengrund wants to know if it should do away with parties altogether.

The Federal Party is the only existing party because Nordengrund was formerly a one- party state and our non party system has not been around long enough for other parties to develop. So should we ban political parties here, at least on a government level?
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Postby Latin America Union » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:32 am

Latin America Union believes what you need is a multi-party system. Without it, your people will surely riot at some point. Banning all parties, however, is too extreme. Even if your country is non-partisan.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:33 am

Latin America Union wrote:Latin America Union believes what you need is a multi-party system. Without it, your people will surely riot at some point. Banning all parties, however, is too extreme. Even if your country is non-partisan.


Well, it is not illegal to have a political party. Like being a Fascist for example, it's just that we do not believe that any party should dominate the government.
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Postby Charlotte Ryberg » Thu Aug 09, 2012 7:34 am

If a political party poses a genuine threat to democratic society and the political and civil rights of others, such as minorities and vulnerable groups, then Minoa does not believe that it is worth the time to ask for a referendum. However, our opinion is that banning political parties alone may contradict the concept of the freedom of association.

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Postby Mikterra » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:02 am

Nope. Never. Everyone has the right to try their hand in politics.

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Postby Zokoria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:03 am

Nordengrund wrote:In Nordengrund all far- left and far- right ideologies have been banned from the government. Though it is not illegal to be a socialist, you just cannot have representation in the government or pass any socialist laws.

We have thought about becoming a non- partisan state, and we are one, but we have not banned any political parties except socialism and communism.

Nordengrund wants to know if it should do away with parties altogether.

The Federal Party is the only existing party because Nordengrund was formerly a one- party state and our non party system has not been around long enough for other parties to develop. So should we ban political parties here, at least on a government level?

Just keep the ban on socialist, communist, and other Leftist parties, but legalize far-right parties (except the Nazi ones).
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Postby Falsea » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:08 am

Zokoria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:In Nordengrund all far- left and far- right ideologies have been banned from the government. Though it is not illegal to be a socialist, you just cannot have representation in the government or pass any socialist laws.

We have thought about becoming a non- partisan state, and we are one, but we have not banned any political parties except socialism and communism.

Nordengrund wants to know if it should do away with parties altogether.

The Federal Party is the only existing party because Nordengrund was formerly a one- party state and our non party system has not been around long enough for other parties to develop. So should we ban political parties here, at least on a government level?

Impose a ban on Capitalist, Monarchist and so-called Democratic parties, but legalize far-left parties (except the Stalinist ones).


There you go, fixed.
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Postby Reckhozess » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:20 am

Zokoria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:In Nordengrund all far- left and far- right ideologies have been banned from the government. Though it is not illegal to be a socialist, you just cannot have representation in the government or pass any socialist laws.

We have thought about becoming a non- partisan state, and we are one, but we have not banned any political parties except socialism and communism.

Nordengrund wants to know if it should do away with parties altogether.

The Federal Party is the only existing party because Nordengrund was formerly a one- party state and our non party system has not been around long enough for other parties to develop. So should we ban political parties here, at least on a government level?

Just keep the ban on socialist, communist, and other Leftist parties, but legalize far-right parties (except the Nazi ones).

How about summing all good far-right views with hardcore conservatism into one party and start up a one-party system. You know yourself what's best to your people. Why waste time on democracy? You can eliminate all meaningless bureaucracy by this.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:22 am

Reckhozess wrote:
Zokoria wrote:Just keep the ban on socialist, communist, and other Leftist parties, but legalize far-right parties (except the Nazi ones).

How about summing all good far-right views with hardcore conservatism into one party and start up a one-party system. You know yourself what's best to your people. Why waste time on democracy? You can eliminate all meaningless bureaucracy by this.



You are right. I am a Constitutionalist (U.S. Constitutional Party) and I agree with them in almost every way. I am trying to design my new government upon their ideologies. I also learned that the United States was never intended to be a democracy, but rather a constitutional republic. I want my people to have liberty, but not be trapped in a democracy.
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Postby Zokoria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:22 am

Reckhozess wrote:
Zokoria wrote:Just keep the ban on socialist, communist, and other Leftist parties, but legalize far-right parties (except the Nazi ones).

How about summing all good far-right views with hardcore conservatism into one party and start up a one-party system. You know yourself what's best to your people. Why waste time on democracy? You can eliminate all meaningless bureaucracy by this.

Now that's better.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:25 am

Zokoria wrote:
Reckhozess wrote:How about summing all good far-right views with hardcore conservatism into one party and start up a one-party system. You know yourself what's best to your people. Why waste time on democracy? You can eliminate all meaningless bureaucracy by this.

Now that's better.


We have done that. We also made abortion illegal and punishable by dismemberment.
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Postby Zokoria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:30 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Zokoria wrote:Now that's better.


We have done that. We also made abortion illegal and punishable by dismemberment.

How about homosexuality and gay marriage? They should be punished by execution (preferably the firing squad or lethal injection).
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:35 am

Zokoria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
We have done that. We also made abortion illegal and punishable by dismemberment.

How about homosexuality and gay marriage? They should be punished by execution (preferably the firing squad or lethal injection).


Well, we do not want to become the next Nazis, so we sentence them to prison for life or until the become straight. Though we despise homosexuality, we refuse to kill homosexuals.
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Postby Zokoria » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:39 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Zokoria wrote:How about homosexuality and gay marriage? They should be punished by execution (preferably the firing squad or lethal injection).


Well, we do not want to become the next Nazis, so we sentence them to prison for life or until the become straight. Though we despise homosexuality, we refuse to kill homosexuals.

They should be put to solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. Now that's better.

And aside from that, make communism and socialism punishable by either the firing squad or lethal injection, since Nordengrund is more of a Christianist version of Hippostania.
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Postby Sedikal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:39 am

Well my nation does disapprove of this we will say that at least it's fair (ban on extremist left/right parties) then how it was with just banning left parties.
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Postby The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:40 am

They should lift the ban on far-left and far-right parties. Anyone with enough support deserves the right to a political party. if someone wants to run a State-Communism Party, or a Patriotic Authority Party, they should be able to. its not like extremist parties recieve a lot of votes anyway.
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Postby Reckhozess » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:42 am

Zokoria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
We have done that. We also made abortion illegal and punishable by dismemberment.

How about homosexuality and gay marriage? They should be punished by execution (preferably the firing squad or lethal injection).

Castration and torture has been seen more effective in Reckhozess.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:43 am

The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan wrote:They should lift the ban on far-left and far-right parties. Anyone with enough support deserves the right to a political party. if someone wants to run a State-Communism Party, or a Patriotic Authority Party, they should be able to. its not like extremist parties recieve a lot of votes anyway.


OCC: I am a fierce Constitutionalist and Nordengrund reflects my political ideologies. I read an article about the Founding Fathers on how they feared democracy and mob rule just as much as tyranny. So now I am trying to make a nation that is a constitutional republic. The people, though not a democracy, will be free, but under a constitutional republican system instead of a democracy.
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Postby Reckhozess » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:43 am

Zokoria wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
Well, we do not want to become the next Nazis, so we sentence them to prison for life or until the become straight. Though we despise homosexuality, we refuse to kill homosexuals.

They should be put to solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. Now that's better.

And aside from that, make communism and socialism punishable by either the firing squad or lethal injection, since Nordengrund is more of a Christianist version of Hippostania.

Brainwash them to become hardcore christian right-wing conservatives.
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Leader's name: Arcturus Cristian Hezekiel Anzemiro
Leader's title: His Majesty, King of the Tyrants and the Reckhan Ruler
Leader's advisor: Cristian of Markarth (also his father)
Political party: REX Party (Reverend Extortment aXis Party)
Police force: Divine Reckhan Inquisitive Army (DRIA)
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:45 am

Reckhozess wrote:
Zokoria wrote:They should be put to solitary confinement for the rest of their lives. Now that's better.

And aside from that, make communism and socialism punishable by either the firing squad or lethal injection, since Nordengrund is more of a Christianist version of Hippostania.

Brainwash them to become hardcore christian right-wing conservatives.


That is a bit harsh. We have no desire to kill them because that makes us just as bad as them and no better than the Nazis.

We just simply outlawed it and imprisoned them instead. We want our people to be God- fearing but have free will at the same time.
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Postby Jormengand » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:47 am

We just have a liberal capitalist meritocracy, and anyone who disagrees can either deal with it or leave the country. There's very little point in having political parties, because of the high costs of advertising and admin.
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Postby The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan » Thu Aug 09, 2012 8:55 am

Nordengrund wrote:
Reckhozess wrote:Brainwash them to become hardcore christian right-wing conservatives.


That is a bit harsh. We have no desire to kill them because that makes us just as bad as them and no better than the Nazis.

We just simply outlawed it and imprisoned them instead. We want our people to be God- fearing but have free will at the same time.


Objection!

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If you recall this earlier statement:

Nordengrund wrote:OCC: I am a fierce Constitutionalist and Nordengrund reflects my political ideologies.


but as a constitutionalist, you must believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech and a seperation of church and state.

Why would a constitutionalist imprison socialists if they are merely expressing their views? And what about wanting god-fearing citizens? there is a clear contradiction in your beliefs, Nordengrund!
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Postby Sedikal » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:00 am

The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
That is a bit harsh. We have no desire to kill them because that makes us just as bad as them and no better than the Nazis.

We just simply outlawed it and imprisoned them instead. We want our people to be God- fearing but have free will at the same time.


Objection!

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If you recall this earlier statement:

Nordengrund wrote:OCC: I am a fierce Constitutionalist and Nordengrund reflects my political ideologies.


but as a constitutionalist, you must believe in freedom of religion, freedom of speech and a seperation of church and state.

Why would a constitutionalist imprison socialists if they are merely expressing their views? And what about wanting god-fearing citizens? there is a clear contradiction in your beliefs, Nordengrund!

He makes a good point.
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Postby Nordengrund » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:01 am

The Doofishatropolis of Doofishistan wrote:
Nordengrund wrote:
That is a bit harsh. We have no desire to kill them because that makes us just as bad as them and no better than the Nazis.

We just simply outlawed it and imprisoned them instead. We want our people to be God- fearing but have free will at the same time.


Objection!

*Insert phoenix wright here*

If you recall this earlier statement:

We allow free religion, free speech, free press, and free enterprise, all parties are technically legal, but only certain ones have representation in the government. We are not a democracy, we are a federal theocratic republic working on a constituional republic. As a constitutional republic, we fear democracy and mob rule.
As for God- fearing, there is freedom of religion, but we want people to have morals and not end up like the United States.

Nordengrund wrote:OCC: I am a fierce Constitutionalist and Nordengrund reflects my political ideologies.
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Postby Kulaloe » Thu Aug 09, 2012 9:07 am

I don't know about full-out banning political parties, but our government has gotten along nicely with many restictions on the amount of power a party can have. Our current Grandnarfolio was initially elected as an independent in 2005 as a result of mass disenfranchisement over the two major parties - the liberal Social Justice Party and the Conservative Party. He eventually joined the libertatrian/minarchist Green Friends in 2008 and was re-elected in 2010.
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