Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mk. VI

[Nua Corda]

Also, increased velocity tends to cause more wounding potential, and barrier penetration.

Longer barrels are just better, naturally.

Which is why bullpups are just better, naturally. M16-length barrel in an M4-length gun, fuck yea.

[Spreewerke]

The M16A2 and M4 Carbine (both used by the Army) are more or less the same in terms of accuracy: around 1.0MOA.

Barrels differ by 5.5" if I remember correctly, however.

MEANWHILE, IN CHART:
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Same accuracy, different drop rates.

Like hell I'm getting bottom-paged.

[Indeos]

The M16A2 and M4 Carbine (both used by the Army) are more or less the same in terms of accuracy: around 1.0MOA.

Barrels differ by 5.5" if I remember correctly, however.

MEANWHILE, IN CHART:
(Image)

Same accuracy, different drop rates.

Isn't MOA technically a measure of precision because it's about how close the groupings are, not how close a shot gets to the center of a target?

[Spreewerke]

The M16A2 and M4 Carbine (both used by the Army) are more or less the same in terms of accuracy: around 1.0MOA.

Barrels differ by 5.5" if I remember correctly, however.

MEANWHILE, IN CHART:
(Image)

Same accuracy, different drop rates.

Isn't MOA technically a measure of precision because it's about how close the groupings are, not how close a shot gets to the center of a target?

1.0MOA is roughly a 1-inch grouping at 100 yards (probably somewhere around 3cm at 100m?).

So, basically, the M4 and M16A2 are just as accurate and just as precise as one another. The difference is the round has velocity less out of the M4, so it has less practical range and more vertical drop. Hitting a target at 400m with the 'A2 would require less vertical calculations than on an M4. The slower velocity also does away with most of the 5.56x45mm's fragmenting in the target. It has to be going fairly fast to do this.


So, a sniper rifle with a long barrel has less vertical drop to worry about, so less vertical adjustment has to be made.


EDIT: Also, with thin barrels, if they're longer, they can become less accurate/precise due to the higher probability of barrel flex. Not really an issue unless you're using a super-thin barrel on a long-barreled full-power rifle, really.

[Indeos]

Isn't MOA technically a measure of precision because it's about how close the groupings are, not how close a shot gets to the center of a target?

1.0MOA is roughly a 1-inch grouping at 100 yards (probably somewhere around 3cm at 100m?).

So, basically, the M4 and M16A2 are just as accurate and just as precise as one another. The difference is the round has velocity out of the M4, so it has less practical range and more vertical drop. The slower velocity also does away with most of the 5.56x45mm's fragmenting in the target. It has to be going fairly fast to do this.

It's not technically as accurate because it won't go where you're pointing the rifle. Greater drop=less accuracy, I think. (Based on technical definitions.)

[San-Silvacian]

Longer barrels are just better, naturally.

Which is why bullpups are just better, naturally. M16-length barrel in an M4-length gun, fuck yea.

I like bullpups and all, but they just haven't bought me yet.

I mean with the entire assemble in the back, doesn't that make your gun's center of balance away off? I also remember something about horrid recoil, seeing as there is little to nothing that separates the shooter from the recoiling bolt besides the butt plate.

[Spreewerke]

1.0MOA is roughly a 1-inch grouping at 100 yards (probably somewhere around 3cm at 100m?).

So, basically, the M4 and M16A2 are just as accurate and just as precise as one another. The difference is the round has velocity out of the M4, so it has less practical range and more vertical drop. The slower velocity also does away with most of the 5.56x45mm's fragmenting in the target. It has to be going fairly fast to do this.

It's not technically as accurate because it won't go where you're pointing the rifle. Greater drop=less accuracy, I think. (Based on technical definitions.)

You're assuming the iron sights and optics aren't calibrated for the velocity difference. The military ACOG models come in 20" barrel models and 14.5" barrel models. Both the M16A4 with its ACOG and the M4A1 with its ACOG will hit exactly where you're aiming with the drop compensator. Though it may not be noticeable, though, the muzzles themselves are aimed in entirely different locations. The sights line up to (and the bullet strikes in) the same area, though.

[Nua Corda]

Which is why bullpups are just better, naturally. M16-length barrel in an M4-length gun, fuck yea.

I like bullpups and all, but they just haven't bought me yet.

I mean with the entire assemble in the back, doesn't that make your gun's center of balance away off? I also remember something about horrid recoil, seeing as there is little to nothing that separates the shooter from the recoiling bolt besides the butt plate.

Not so much if the barrel's long enough.

Not sure how that would make much of a difference, tbh. Force transfers pretty easily through p. much any stock.

[Indeos]

It's not technically as accurate because it won't go where you're pointing the rifle. Greater drop=less accuracy, I think. (Based on technical definitions.)

You're assuming the iron sights and optics aren't calibrated for the velocity difference. The military ACOG models come in 20" barrel models and 14.5" barrel models. Both the M16A4 with its ACOG and the M4A1 with its ACOG will hit exactly where you're aiming with the drop compensator. Though it may not be noticeable, though, the muzzles themselves are aimed in entirely different locations. The sights line up to (and the bullet strikes in) the same area, though.

I'm more assuming different-length barrels parallel to level ground and fired at targets the same length away via robot. No sights or specific weapons or anything like that, just a test that would eliminate every possible factor besides barrel length.

[Spreewerke]

You're assuming the iron sights and optics aren't calibrated for the velocity difference. The military ACOG models come in 20" barrel models and 14.5" barrel models. Both the M16A4 with its ACOG and the M4A1 with its ACOG will hit exactly where you're aiming with the drop compensator. Though it may not be noticeable, though, the muzzles themselves are aimed in entirely different locations. The sights line up to (and the bullet strikes in) the same area, though.

I'm more assuming different-length barrels parallel to level ground and fired at targets the same length away via robot. No sights or specific weapons or anything like that, just a test that would eliminate every possible factor besides barrel length.

I'm not sure what that would prove as any soldier aiming their weapon will be using sights calibrated for their specific barrel length. In your test, all you'd discover is that a slower-moving round drops at a closer distance than a faster-moving round of the same caliber.

[Indeos]

I'm more assuming different-length barrels parallel to level ground and fired at targets the same length away via robot. No sights or specific weapons or anything like that, just a test that would eliminate every possible factor besides barrel length.

I'm not sure what that would prove as any soldier aiming their weapon will be using sights calibrated for their specific barrel length. In your test, all you'd discover is that a slower-moving round drops at a closer distance than a faster-moving round of the same caliber.

Any other test would prove absolutely nothing about barrel length. SCIENCE!

[Yes Im Biop]

Ah. I thought with the short barrel he was going with something for tank crews and whatnot. In which case PDWs probably would have worked better.
But yeah. If he's going for a service rifle with compactness, bullpup is the way to go.

If I read his post right, it's a general-purpose weapon.

Odd question. Could you use a .32 pistol round give it a bit more powder and a necked casein. Could you use it as a lightweight AR Round?

There's no reason to, because the bullet won't be as aerodynamic as a rifle round and there are already a lot of .30 caliber rifle rounds.

I'm going for something that has Kill power and is ultra light (My first idea was to give a .22 LR 3 times teh powder and call it good)light. Not

[Nua Corda]

My country is filled with weird Christians that have mind controlling devices.... so that's pretty much our main weapons.

That and the AKM.

Fix'd that for yah.

[Orangi]

Man, some of these guns are gorgeous. Makes my chicken scratches look like right rubbish.

The AR-26 Aggressor has been the staple of Orangi's forces for over twenty years. The rifle fires a realiably sized round at an above average velocity, with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds.

The P-3 "Regulator" pistol. The standard in several police forces across the FSA, the Regulator pistol fires a healthily sized round, comes with infared laser linked to the ADS of soldiers and police for aim assistance, and packs a reliable punch. The firearm's simple and effective, no frills design ensures longevity, and while of course, it pales in comparison to Veritian sidearms, it can still pack a nasty punch.

Uh, future tech, a shit ton of lore, and a lot of things that I can't be bothered to detail here.

[Nua Corda]

If I read his post right, it's a general-purpose weapon.



There's no reason to, because the bullet won't be as aerodynamic as a rifle round and there are already a lot of .30 caliber rifle rounds.

I'm going for something that has Kill power and is ultra light (My first idea was to give a .22 LR 3 times teh powder and call it good)light. Not

5.56 is basically a .22 round with a slightly longer bullet and a lot more powder. Maybe 5.56x30mm MARs would be up your alley in that case. Although, at that point you should just use 4.3x30 or 5.7x28mm

Man, some of these guns are gorgeous. Makes my chicken scratches look like right rubbish.

(Image) The AR-26 Aggressor has been the staple of Orangi's forces for over twenty years. The rifle fires a realiably sized round at an above average velocity, with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds.

(Image) The P-3 "Regulator" pistol. The standard in several police forces across the FSA, the Regulator pistol fires a healthily sized round, comes with infared laser linked to the ADS of soldiers and police for aim assistance, and packs a reliable punch. The firearm's simple and effective, no frills design ensures longevity, and while of course, it pales in comparison to Veritian sidearms, it can still pack a nasty punch.

Uh, future tech, a shit ton of lore, and a lot of things that I can't be bothered to detail here.

is that Adobe Flash I smell? If so, brofist.

[Orangi]

I'm going for something that has Kill power and is ultra light (My first idea was to give a .22 LR 3 times teh powder and call it good)light. Not

5.56 is basically a .22 round with a slightly longer bullet and a lot more powder. Maybe 5.56x30mm MARs would be up your alley in that case. Although, at that point you should just use 4.3x30 or 5.7x28mm

Man, some of these guns are gorgeous. Makes my chicken scratches look like right rubbish.

(Image) The AR-26 Aggressor has been the staple of Orangi's forces for over twenty years. The rifle fires a realiably sized round at an above average velocity, with a magazine capacity of 30 rounds.

(Image) The P-3 "Regulator" pistol. The standard in several police forces across the FSA, the Regulator pistol fires a healthily sized round, comes with infared laser linked to the ADS of soldiers and police for aim assistance, and packs a reliable punch. The firearm's simple and effective, no frills design ensures longevity, and while of course, it pales in comparison to Veritian sidearms, it can still pack a nasty punch.

Uh, future tech, a shit ton of lore, and a lot of things that I can't be bothered to detail here.

is that Adobe Flash I smell? If so, brofist.

Brofist accepted but no man, Paint Tool SAI.

Anyone need explanations? Why there are no ejection ports, why the hell they've got laser sights, and so on?

[Anacasppia]

Which is why bullpups are just better, naturally. M16-length barrel in an M4-length gun, fuck yea.

I like bullpups and all, but they just haven't bought me yet.

I mean with the entire assemble in the back, doesn't that make your gun's center of balance away off? I also remember something about horrid recoil, seeing as there is little to nothing that separates the shooter from the recoiling bolt besides the butt plate.

Well, I can't say for all bullpups, but I've fired the Singapore designed SAR-21 and if you asked me what the recoil is like, I'd reply, 'What's recoil?'.

[Nua Corda]

Blasphemy

Internets, why you no accept Flash Master Race!?!

[Orangi]

I like bullpups and all, but they just haven't bought me yet.

I mean with the entire assemble in the back, doesn't that make your gun's center of balance away off? I also remember something about horrid recoil, seeing as there is little to nothing that separates the shooter from the recoiling bolt besides the butt plate.

Well, I can't say for all bullpups, but I've fired the Singapore designed SAR-21 and if you asked me what the recoil is like, I'd reply, 'What's recoil?'.

Bullpups are fantastic. Unless you're reloading from prone apparently.

But other than that, they're just fine. You can get the same barrel length in a rather compact package. What's not to like?

[Nua Corda]

No harder to reload than any other rifle. You just tilt it to the side rather than up.

Best use of bullpup though is to have longer barrel in a rifle the same size as ones standard rifle.

[Transhuman Scientists]

Main infantry weapon
X-2 Bullpup Assault Rifle with an integrated 40mm grenade laucher that operates via a pump action mechanism.
7.62mm NATO with A fast acting biological agent inside. Just a scratch is needed to kill a soldier.

40mm grenades can be armed with a long term biological agent such as genetically modified viruses of different strains to wreak utter havoc on the enemy's populace. Of course, the citizens of this nation are already completely resistant to the agents due to extensive gentic modifications.
or
For use against vehicles and tanks. Genetically modified metal eating bacteria or Nanites can be used to consume a M1 Abram in just a minute. Furthermore, the gas released by the bacteria is toxic and will kill any nearby soldiers without the proper genetic modification. The Nanites can also be used to disable the electronic systems and the engines of the tank so that the tank can be captured and reused or recycled into scrap metal.

Weight:5.5kg fully loaded with a 35 round magazine and 4 rounds of grenades( with one in the barrel)

The barrel is that of a quick change barrel so that the rifle can be used as a lmg if needed or it can be used as a squad designated marksman rifle instead when outfitted with a longer barrel.

A bipod is also outfitted for extra stability.

The scope is made out of the best quality optics and has a built in electronic viewfinder that can be either turned off( so that the optical viewfinder can be used instead in the event of an EMP strike) or can be used in wireless mode where it transmits the live video feed to the soldier's visor. The scope is powerful enough to be used to spot a human from about 10km away clearly with the help of digital processing.

[Nua Corda]

Main infantry weapon
X-2 Bullpup Assault Rifle with an integrated 40mm grenade laucher that operates via a pump action mechanism.
7.62mm NATO with A fast acting biological agent inside. Just a scratch is needed to kill a soldier.

40mm grenades can be armed with a long term biological agent such as genetically modified viruses of different strains to wreak utter havoc on the enemy's populace. Of course, the citizens of this nation are already completely resistant to the agents due to extensive gentic modifications.
or
For use against vehicles and tanks. Genetically modified metal eating bacteria or Nanites can be used to consume a M1 Abram in just a minute. Furthermore, the gas released by the bacteria is toxic and will kill any nearby soldiers without the proper genetic modification. The Nanites can also be used to disable the electronic systems and the engines of the tank so that the tank can be captured and reused or recycled into scrap metal.

Weight:5.5kg fully loaded with a 35 round magazine and 4 rounds of grenades( with one in the barrel)

The barrel is that of a quick change barrel so that the rifle can be used as a lmg if needed or it can be used as a squad designated marksman rifle instead when outfitted with a longer barrel.

A bipod is also outfitted for extra stability.

The scope is made out of the best quality optics and has a built in electronic viewfinder that can be either turned off( so that the optical viewfinder can be used instead in the event of an EMP strike) or can be used in wireless mode where it transmits the live video feed to the soldier's visor. The scope is powerful enough to be used to spot a human from about 10km away clearly with the help of digital processing.

Because all this is totally possible. Yup, totally possible *nods*

[Orangi]

No harder to reload than any other rifle. You just tilt it to the side rather than up.

See, I FIGURED that was the case!

Now, since you lot seem to be gun nuts, let me ask you this. Bullpup pistols, they seem pretty pointless right? I think I found a legitimate use for them.


1: Size. So, it's obviously a hefty sized gun. Why does this matter?

The point here, is to make a heavy pistol. Look at say, the 1911, or Desert Eagle. Prime examples of Heavy Pistols. The 1911 is a damn fine gun, but its mag is stupidly shallow. The Desert Eagle is a piece of junk that only CoD kids like, but the concept of a big ass round in a magazine fed handgun? Good idea.

Slap the mag in the back to offset the heavy barrel that exists to negate recoil, and while you have a heftier gun, you may have a steadier gun. The round pictured is just about rifle sized, and I think the barrel would be able to propel it at a decent velocity.

Mind you, my firearms are designed with caseless rounds fired magnetically. So some things may be different.

But I figured the design could be used for a true, modern heavy pistol. That mag, staggered, could comfortably fit maybe 12-15 rounds in there. It might be slightly more awkward to use than the P-3, but hey. Firepower.

Thoughts?

[Orangi]

Main infantry weapon
X-2 Bullpup Assault Rifle with an integrated 40mm grenade laucher that operates via a pump action mechanism.
7.62mm NATO with A fast acting biological agent inside. Just a scratch is needed to kill a soldier.

40mm grenades can be armed with a long term biological agent such as genetically modified viruses of different strains to wreak utter havoc on the enemy's populace. Of course, the citizens of this nation are already completely resistant to the agents due to extensive gentic modifications.
or
For use against vehicles and tanks. Genetically modified metal eating bacteria or Nanites can be used to consume a M1 Abram in just a minute. Furthermore, the gas released by the bacteria is toxic and will kill any nearby soldiers without the proper genetic modification. The Nanites can also be used to disable the electronic systems and the engines of the tank so that the tank can be captured and reused or recycled into scrap metal.

Weight:5.5kg fully loaded with a 35 round magazine and 4 rounds of grenades( with one in the barrel)

The barrel is that of a quick change barrel so that the rifle can be used as a lmg if needed or it can be used as a squad designated marksman rifle instead when outfitted with a longer barrel.

A bipod is also outfitted for extra stability.

The scope is made out of the best quality optics and has a built in electronic viewfinder that can be either turned off( so that the optical viewfinder can be used instead in the event of an EMP strike) or can be used in wireless mode where it transmits the live video feed to the soldier's visor. The scope is powerful enough to be used to spot a human from about 10km away clearly with the help of digital processing.

Um...

Have fun funding that for however many soldiers ya' got.

[Indeos]

No harder to reload than any other rifle. You just tilt it to the side rather than up.

See, I FIGURED that was the case!

Now, since you lot seem to be gun nuts, let me ask you this. Bullpup pistols, they seem pretty pointless right? I think I found a legitimate use for them.


1: Size. So, it's obviously a hefty sized gun. Why does this matter?

The point here, is to make a heavy pistol. Look at say, the 1911, or Desert Eagle. Prime examples of Heavy Pistols. The 1911 is a damn fine gun, but its mag is stupidly shallow. The Desert Eagle is a piece of junk that only CoD kids like, but the concept of a big ass round in a magazine fed handgun? Good idea.

Slap the mag in the back to offset the heavy barrel that exists to negate recoil, and while you have a heftier gun, you may have a steadier gun. The round pictured is just about rifle sized, and I think the barrel would be able to propel it at a decent velocity.

Mind you, my firearms are designed with caseless rounds fired magnetically. So some things may be different.

But I figured the design could be used for a true, modern heavy pistol. That mag, staggered, could comfortably fit maybe 12-15 rounds in there. It might be slightly more awkward to use than the P-3, but hey. Firepower.

Thoughts?

Infantry railguns aren't possible with modern technology, and a round of that size would make it no longer a pistol. There's really just no point because a pistol doesn't need to do what a rifle or SMG does.