Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mk. VI

[The Ninth Republic]

PMT?

[Galla-]

What.

wat

picatinny rail

edit: french ninjas ):

[Bajireyn]

(Image)

PMT?

Well,sorry about never hearing about that damn weapon,I though you were referring to magnetic weaponry.

[The Ninth Republic]

Aren't most guns magnetic?

[Purpelia]

Well be sure to tell Ford and all them that they have the wrong idea with making their police cars modifications of civilian vehicles fitted to standards laid out by a department and that all police autos should be purpose built for the task, increasing cost, and diminishing availability of spare parts, customers, etc.

If the conversion is done in the factory than it is for all intents and purposes a custom designed model. It's only a "conversion" if it is done after the product leaves the manufacturer proper.

Really all a police car needs is decent cooling, a strong driveshaft, and a good suspension, all for operating at high speed and high RPM for extended periods. None of this is hardly "police restricted" or something, though, and is readily available on the civilian market.

It would also do well with bulletproof glass and hull (not something you want civilians to have), a decent integrated communications system and some form of bulletproof, stabproof separation between the front and the back seat areas. While you are at it you can throw in those form fitting seats that are used to restrain peoples arms behind their backs.

But I digress.

[Immoren]

Aren't most guns magnetic?

Magnetic propulsion of bullets/shells. Not magnetic gun parts.

[Galla-]

If the conversion is done in the factory than it is for all intents and purposes a custom designed model. It's only a "conversion" if it is done after the product leaves the manufacturer proper.

It would also do well with bulletproof glass and hull (not something you want civilians to have), a decent integrated communications system and some form of bulletproof, stabproof separation between the front and the back seat areas. While you are at it you can throw in those form fitting seats that are used to restrain peoples arms behind their backs.

But I digress.

Purpelian cops give criminals knives, what could go wrong?

[Purpelia]

Purpelian cops give criminals knives, what could go wrong?

You would be surprised what people can slip by even with a full body search.

[Imeriata]

KVG-09

Type: Semi-Automatic
Designed in: Imeriata
Produced: 1989- present
Designer: Hans auf Sadersjö
Designed: 1987
Manufacturer: the royal merchant guild (the Sadersjö arm forge)

Weight: 4.3 kg loaded
Length: 1000mm
Barrel length: 750 mm
Cartridge: 8x56mm Khönungskot
Calibre: 8 mm calibre
Sights: Iron sight.
Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 750 m
Rate of fire: Semi-Automatic
Action: gas operated semi automatic.
Feed system: 10 round magazine.

Background

In the early eighties was it obvious to most royal guards officers and civilian noblemen that the bolt action KVG-08 was outdated and in the need of replacement by a more modern weapon, However so were the resistance to this rather high since the tried and robust KVG-08 had proven itself again and again on the field of battle so most people was a tad bit uncomfortable by changing the weapon that had saved the federation in the Civil war. There were also a large number of officers that were doubtful that anyone could replicate a weapon as great as the predecessor which further made people be a bit resistant to change their well know and loved rifle.

So to try to make sure that the new weapon was constructed and accepted by krigsmakten so were it decided by royal decree that the auf Sandersjö house that had designed the earlier KVG should try to recreate their success a generation later with a new design, the demands was that the weapon should be semi-automatic, it should still look like a KVG-08 to appease the large number reactionary officer corps while it should as well keep a bolt action lever to clear jams.

After a series of tests and rejections so were Hans auf Sadersjö finally able to present with the KVG-09 that was a capable weapon in both melee with a bayonet and on long range. And it Showed its worth a year after it's construction in the invasion of New Freedia where units armed with the KVG were able to shoot down enemies at a much longer range and higher speed than the soldiers armed with the traditional 08.
After that war where the newer generation had proven itself successful so did public opinion towards the rifle change when the first Army revealed that they had changed their rifles to a new black ebony version of the rifle which resulted in resentment dropping and the new rifle where finally accepted as a good and proper weapon worthy of a royal guardsman.

Construction

To be a reliable and good weapon for both melee and long range combat so is the KVG made out of stainless steel and wood with few moving parts and with a back up bolt to ensure that any jamming is easy to clean. Thanks to it's heavy weight so is the recoil rather low and it's design makes it a marvellous weapon for melee fighting as you can quickly and easily put a rather large force behind a strike regardless if you are using it in a stabbing or sweeping movement.

With a gas operated long stroke so is the weapon quite reliable even if the recoil is slightly higher than it should have been with another stroke system even if the relative high weight of the rifle helps to a degree to stop that particular drawback. With two good and proper iron sights so is the gun also quite easy to aim with and on long ranges so is it able to stand up to most things that the world can throw at it's owner.
However despite all this so is the KVG's weakness medium range combat as it lacks the fast speed and manoeuvrability of a shorter rifle and it tends to be rather annoying to use in terrain that does not allow for much moment. However for that reason were also a shorter carbine rifle constructed for the use of boarding actions, city fighting and jungle combat.

While normally feed from a short ten round magazine so is the KVG also able to be feed from a larger twenty round one and there is a simple modification that allows the KVG to be armed with a massive super bent magazine with 50 rounds.

Ammunition

The KVG-09 is armed with the heavy 8x56mm Khönungskot just as most heavy infantry weapons used by the federal krigsmakt is, and while it is normally only loaded with the standard bullet that is cheep and reliable so does other versions exists and above can we see (from left to right):

the standard bullet

(First and second picture) A normal bullet made out of lead that is cheep to produce and packs a rather heavy punch towards anyone that is hit by this large round.

Tracer round

(third) The Tracer round is often reserved for heavy machineguns even if it is also common for them to be used by the infantry to help them aim. Built with magnesium components so do this bullet burns bright and white so that the royal guardsman can correct his aim after the first bullet.
Armour piercing

(Fourth and fifth) With a tungsten dart so is the Armour piercing bullet able to take on enemy heavy infantry armour and even lighter vehicles would the need arise.

Blank

(sixth and seventh) While a blank round is mostly used for training as it is does not contain a projectile so is it still used by guardsmen that will be equipped with rifle grenades to propeller the grenade forward.

[Indeos]

I know that .300 Whisper is a cut-down 7.62mm round for use with a suppressor, but a 120mm and 150mm barrel are still hilariously short.
Unless they're 120/150mm plus suppressor, that would work. But these two barrel lengths would only be suitable for Whisper, I don't think that WSM would work at all from that muzzle length.

I actually updated what he had

Action: Long-stroke piston
Cartridge: .300 Whisper and 7.62×54mmR (Sniper only) 9x39 (BlackOps only ) 9x19 Para ( CQB Only) 40 MM Grenades
Length: 605mm(CQB, stock extended), 795mm (BlackOps), 945mm (General Purpose), 1065mm (Sniper), 985mm (Support)
Weight: Min of ~2.7kg and a max of ~3.3kg
Barrel Length: 120mm (CQB), 150mm (BlacOps), 417mm(General Purpose), 535mm(Sniper), 457mm(Support),
Capacity: (Normal Mag 35 rounds) (Box 100 rounds) (BlackOps 50 rounds) (CQB 25 rounds) (12 rounds Sniper)
Effective Range: Min ~200m(CQB/BlOps), Max ~900m (Sniper)

You really don't need 9x19; .300 Whisper can match .45 ACP performance but over a much greater range because the bullet is more aerodynamic. 9x39 might still be good, but I don't know if it's really necessary. I'll have to look at effective range and energy and such; I don't know off the top of my head whether .300 Whisper is better or not.

IIRC barrel lengths were all sans silencer and someone had said they needed to be fixed before, but never gave me a better number.

You definitely wouldn't get 200m effective range out of 9x19, and IIRC 9x39 is really only good out to like 100m, but again I'll go looking.

Looks like effective range for 9x39mm is about 200-300m from a barrel 50mm longer than this one. Supersonic .300 Whisper is basically the same as 7.62 Commie, so it'll have about the same effective range as a 7.62 AK (400m, supposedly). I think subsonic loadings (which would be used in the CQC and BlOps) would be able to get out to 200m, but I wouldn't assume they're really dependable out to 300 unless they're the hottest possible subsonic loads.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think 9x39 was so that subsonic rounds would have more punch.
After all, the Russians did have subsonic loadings for Combloc and 5.45, but they were clearly deemed insufficient.

[Indeos]

I think 9x39 was so that subsonic rounds would have more punch.
After all, the Russians did have subsonic loadings for Combloc and 5.45, but they were clearly deemed insufficient.

Probably, but it means another kind of ammo to manufacture. Plus if they all use different loadings of the same round they can use hotter or cooler loads in emergencies. I don't know if that's enough advantage to justify it, but it's certainly a good reason not to use the far-inferior 9x19mm subgun.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I think 9x39 was so that subsonic rounds would have more punch.
After all, the Russians did have subsonic loadings for Combloc and 5.45, but they were clearly deemed insufficient.

Probably, but it means another kind of ammo to manufacture. Plus if they all use different loadings of the same round they can use hotter or cooler loads in emergencies. I don't know if that's enough advantage to justify it, but it's certainly a good reason not to use the far-inferior 9x19mm subgun.

It's only necked-up Combloc, so it's not too much of a stretch. Let's not forget that Russia issued dual-chambering assault rifles that took 5.66x39mm underwater bullets that were like six inches long and regular 5.45x39

[Indeos]

Probably, but it means another kind of ammo to manufacture. Plus if they all use different loadings of the same round they can use hotter or cooler loads in emergencies. I don't know if that's enough advantage to justify it, but it's certainly a good reason not to use the far-inferior 9x19mm subgun.

It's only necked-up Combloc, so it's not too much of a stretch. Let's not forget that Russia issued dual-chambering assault rifles that took 5.66x39mm underwater bullets that were like six inches long and regular 5.45x39

.300 Whisper isn't Combloc, though. The ballistics are the same; the case isn't.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

No, 9x39 is necked-up Combloc

[Indeos]

No, 9x39 is necked-up Combloc

I know. My point was that it's still a completely different round.

[San-Silvacian]

KVG-09
(Image)

Type: Semi-Automatic
Designed in: Imeriata
Produced: 1989- present
Designer: Hans auf Sadersjö
Designed: 1987
Manufacturer: the royal merchant guild (the Sadersjö arm forge)

Weight: 4.3 kg loaded
Length: 1000mm
Barrel length: 750 mm
Cartridge: 8x56mm Khönungskot
Calibre: 8 mm calibre
Sights: Iron sight.
Muzzle velocity: 800 m/s
Effective range: 750 m
Rate of fire: Semi-Automatic
Action: gas operated semi automatic.
Feed system: 10 round magazine.

Background

In the early eighties was it obvious to most royal guards officers and civilian noblemen that the bolt action KVG-08 was outdated and in the need of replacement by a more modern weapon, However so were the resistance to this rather high since the tried and robust KVG-08 had proven itself again and again on the field of battle so most people was a tad bit uncomfortable by changing the weapon that had saved the federation in the Civil war. There were also a large number of officers that were doubtful that anyone could replicate a weapon as great as the predecessor which further made people be a bit resistant to change their well know and loved rifle.

So to try to make sure that the new weapon was constructed and accepted by krigsmakten so were it decided by royal decree that the auf Sandersjö house that had designed the earlier KVG should try to recreate their success a generation later with a new design, the demands was that the weapon should be semi-automatic, it should still look like a KVG-08 to appease the large number reactionary officer corps while it should as well keep a bolt action lever to clear jams.

After a series of tests and rejections so were Hans auf Sadersjö finally able to present with the KVG-09 that was a capable weapon in both melee with a bayonet and on long range. And it Showed its worth a year after it's construction in the invasion of New Freedia where units armed with the KVG were able to shoot down enemies at a much longer range and higher speed than the soldiers armed with the traditional 08.
After that war where the newer generation had proven itself successful so did public opinion towards the rifle change when the first Army revealed that they had changed their rifles to a new black ebony version of the rifle which resulted in resentment dropping and the new rifle where finally accepted as a good and proper weapon worthy of a royal guardsman.

Construction

(Image)
To be a reliable and good weapon for both melee and long range combat so is the KVG made out of stainless steel and wood with few moving parts and with a back up bolt to ensure that any jamming is easy to clean. Thanks to it's heavy weight so is the recoil rather low and it's design makes it a marvellous weapon for melee fighting as you can quickly and easily put a rather large force behind a strike regardless if you are using it in a stabbing or sweeping movement.

With a gas operated long stroke so is the weapon quite reliable even if the recoil is slightly higher than it should have been with another stroke system even if the relative high weight of the rifle helps to a degree to stop that particular drawback. With two good and proper iron sights so is the gun also quite easy to aim with and on long ranges so is it able to stand up to most things that the world can throw at it's owner.
However despite all this so is the KVG's weakness medium range combat as it lacks the fast speed and manoeuvrability of a shorter rifle and it tends to be rather annoying to use in terrain that does not allow for much moment. However for that reason were also a shorter carbine rifle constructed for the use of boarding actions, city fighting and jungle combat.

While normally feed from a short ten round magazine so is the KVG also able to be feed from a larger twenty round one and there is a simple modification that allows the KVG to be armed with a massive super bent magazine with 50 rounds.

Ammunition

(Image)
The KVG-09 is armed with the heavy 8x56mm Khönungskot just as most heavy infantry weapons used by the federal krigsmakt is, and while it is normally only loaded with the standard bullet that is cheep and reliable so does other versions exists and above can we see (from left to right):

the standard bullet

(First and second picture) A normal bullet made out of lead that is cheep to produce and packs a rather heavy punch towards anyone that is hit by this large round.

Tracer round

(third) The Tracer round is often reserved for heavy machineguns even if it is also common for them to be used by the infantry to help them aim. Built with magnesium components so do this bullet burns bright and white so that the royal guardsman can correct his aim after the first bullet.
Armour piercing

(Fourth and fifth) With a tungsten dart so is the Armour piercing bullet able to take on enemy heavy infantry armour and even lighter vehicles would the need arise.

Blank

(sixth and seventh) While a blank round is mostly used for training as it is does not contain a projectile so is it still used by guardsmen that will be equipped with rifle grenades to propeller the grenade forward.

Fuck yeah.

[Indeos]

This one is (assuming RB said I was allowed to use them) for the Czar's personal group of demon hunters. The barrel, cylinder, muzzle brake, and all the detailing is enchanted holy silver (or in some cases gold); this effectively prevents the hunters from being disarmed because their prey are unable to touch the guns, as well as making them virtually unbreakable. The scope is little more than a focus for magic, making it far easier to augment vision in a battle.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

(Image)

This one is (assuming RB said I was allowed to use them) for the Czar's personal group of demon hunters. The barrel, cylinder, muzzle brake, and all the detailing is enchanted holy silver (or in some cases gold); this effectively prevents the hunters from being disarmed because their prey are unable to touch the guns, as well as making them virtually unbreakable. The scope is little more than a focus for magic, making it far easier to augment vision in a battle.

Does that safety say 'fire' and 'fire?'

[Purpelia]

(Image)

This one is (assuming RB said I was allowed to use them) for the Czar's personal group of demon hunters. The barrel, cylinder, muzzle brake, and all the detailing is enchanted holy silver (or in some cases gold); this effectively prevents the hunters from being disarmed because their prey are unable to touch the guns, as well as making them virtually unbreakable. The scope is little more than a focus for magic, making it far easier to augment vision in a battle.

Does that safety say 'fire' and 'fire?'

That sounds unsafe.

[Indeos]

(Image)

This one is (assuming RB said I was allowed to use them) for the Czar's personal group of demon hunters. The barrel, cylinder, muzzle brake, and all the detailing is enchanted holy silver (or in some cases gold); this effectively prevents the hunters from being disarmed because their prey are unable to touch the guns, as well as making them virtually unbreakable. The scope is little more than a focus for magic, making it far easier to augment vision in a battle.

Does that safety say 'fire' and 'fire?'

Yes. RB made it like that; I didn't even modify that.

[Sevvania]

Does that safety say 'fire' and 'fire?'

That sounds unsafe.

I think "safe" would be to rotate the selector up. Maybe having "fire" on both sides makes it more ambidextrous?

[Ea90]

Imeriata, everything looks nice, except this:

Length: 1000mm
Barrel length: 750 mm

I very much doubt that's possible on a traditional layout rifle.

[Nua Corda]

Clicky for fullview

MBR-13 Mod. 1 (Assault Trooper). No mags because all my magazines are saved on my work computer ATM.

[Indeos]

That sounds unsafe.

I think "safe" would be to rotate the selector up. Maybe having "fire" on both sides makes it more ambidextrous?

I'm pretty sure it just doesn't have a safe mode. It was, after all, designed as an lolgun. The plate on the back says WTF, too.