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Postby Hydronium » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:28 am

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F-117 NightHawk. Cool plane, Horrible range.


Who said i haven't modified it...

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The MG can put down a greater weight of fire in a shorter amount of time, and can proceed to hold that fire rate for longer.


Was thinking of going Frenchy actually; one SAW, and one FLY-K mortar (I've forgotten whatever the French call it). By the way, anybody knows if counter-defilade engagement effects are possible with muzzle launched rifle grenades and a picatinny rail mounted computerized sight?


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Postby Puzikas » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:43 am

Anacasppia wrote:
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Was thinking of going Frenchy actually; one SAW, and one FLY-K mortar (I've forgotten whatever the French call it). By the way, anybody knows if counter-defilade engagement effects are possible with muzzle launched rifle grenades and a picatinny rail mounted computerized sight?


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The French Rifle grenade?
Oh lord that thing is both hilarious and terrifyingly amazing.

I dont have any familiarity with the French rifle grenade, but what I do know about them is that the ACS58 is actually a really cool concept with good execution. They make them in multiple warheads (HEAT, HE, Fragmentation, Thermometric, Dummy, Smoke(?) Ect..) and arent to heavy, but I dont know how many they carry. Its very cool.

As for your question, Yes. It certainly would be. Especially due to indirect and direct fire capabilities.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:46 am

Well I considered I considered again changing my squad structure and going for same squad regardless of whether they are infantry, jaeger or armoured jaeger troops.
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discoursedrome wrote:everyone knows that quote, "I know not what weapons World War Three will be fought, but World War Four will be fought with sticks and stones," but in a way it's optimistic and inspiring because it suggests that even after destroying civilization and returning to the stone age we'll still be sufficiently globalized and bellicose to have another world war right then and there

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Dec 08, 2012 11:21 am

Hydronium wrote:
Yes Im Biop wrote:
F-117 NightHawk. Cool plane, Horrible range.


Who said i haven't modified it...

Doesn't work that way bro. Especially with aircraft, especially still with stealth aircraft.

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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Dec 08, 2012 12:26 pm

Anacasppia wrote:
Anacasppia wrote:
Was thinking of going Frenchy actually; one SAW, and one FLY-K mortar (I've forgotten whatever the French call it). By the way, anybody knows if counter-defilade engagement effects are possible with muzzle launched rifle grenades and a picatinny rail mounted computerized sight?


Bumpity bump. :P


Yes, you could. You could even make the grenade airburst, if you want.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:27 pm

Ea90 wrote:"My source Wikipedia"
lul


.-. Mhm; Generally has everything cited and sourced so you can directly find where they got the information they themselves use for their articles.

Making them one of the easiest to use methods of debunk folks even if you don't use the site it self you can use its sources.

Wikipedia is useful on two levels as an actual source and a place to find sources.
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Postby Aqizithiuda » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:29 pm

The Zeonic States wrote:
Ea90 wrote:"My source Wikipedia"
lul


.-. Mhm; Generally has everything cited and sourced so you can directly find where they got the information they themselves use for their articles.

Making them one of the easiest to use methods of debunk folks even if you don't use the site it self you can use its sources.

Wikipedia is useful on two levels as an actual source and a place to find sources.


I only use it to get a basic understanding and to find sources. Using it in arguments tends not to work out so well for me.
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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:33 pm

Aqizithiuda wrote:
The Zeonic States wrote:
.-. Mhm; Generally has everything cited and sourced so you can directly find where they got the information they themselves use for their articles.

Making them one of the easiest to use methods of debunk folks even if you don't use the site it self you can use its sources.

Wikipedia is useful on two levels as an actual source and a place to find sources.


I only use it to get a basic understanding and to find sources. Using it in arguments tends not to work out so well for me.


Some of its articles can be debated or debunked some are also solid enough with enough general information give that its hard to debunk them you need to pick your battles where Wiki is concerned i learned that.
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Postby Sopwith » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:35 pm

Point taken. Thanks. The Enfield suits both I guess. Or just a complete reverse as suggested.

I also have just remembered the fact that Enfields could pierce and elephant skull. Makes more sense to give it to Regulars.
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:41 pm

Remember how I asked a while back about BRs? Well, I decided I was going to attempt to somehow mash the brazilian mystery gun together with the TRW Low Maintenance Rifle, but built for a cartridge more or less equivalent to .338 LM.

Since this is supposed to be a cheap conscriptgun, I'm tempted to go with a long and exceedingly nasty folding cruciform bayonet, since swords are expensive and stuff.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Dec 08, 2012 3:59 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:Remember how I asked a while back about BRs? Well, I decided I was going to attempt to somehow mash the brazilian mystery gun together with the TRW Low Maintenance Rifle, but built for a cartridge more or less equivalent to .338 LM.

Since this is supposed to be a cheap conscriptgun, I'm tempted to go with a long and exceedingly nasty folding cruciform bayonet, since swords are expensive and stuff.

Certainly looks like an interesting idea. Why a BR for a conscriptgun? Wouldn't that require more training to use well?
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:05 pm

I'm not sure why it would.

Also, the planet Senestrum has 40% thicker air at sea level and a quarter again as much gravity as earth, so you need a big high-BC bullet going really fast if you don't want your trajectory to approximate a rainbow.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:07 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:I'm not sure why it would.

Also, the planet Senestrum has 40% thicker air at sea level and a quarter again as much gravity as earth, so you need a big high-BC bullet going really fast if you don't want your trajectory to approximate a rainbow.


Ok, makes sense. More along the lines of recoil control, and some other personal stuff.
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Postby Puzikas » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:07 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:Remember how I asked a while back about BRs? Well, I decided I was going to attempt to somehow mash the brazilian mystery gun together with the TRW Low Maintenance Rifle, but built for a cartridge more or less equivalent to .338 LM.

Since this is supposed to be a cheap conscriptgun, I'm tempted to go with a long and exceedingly nasty folding cruciform bayonet, since swords are expensive and stuff.


Holy shit I recognise that gun! Sort of!

We saw weapons like that in chechnya, and by "like that" I mean they looked like more banged up versions. Thats crazy.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:19 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:Remember how I asked a while back about BRs? Well, I decided I was going to attempt to somehow mash the brazilian mystery gun together with the TRW Low Maintenance Rifle, but built for a cartridge more or less equivalent to .338 LM.

Since this is supposed to be a cheap conscriptgun, I'm tempted to go with a long and exceedingly nasty folding cruciform bayonet, since swords are expensive and stuff.

I think I see FAL in the gas block, AR70/90 or Galil in the handguard, some sort of Sig in the receiver.
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Postby Indeos » Sat Dec 08, 2012 4:27 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:I'm not sure why it would.

Also, the planet Senestrum has 40% thicker air at sea level and a quarter again as much gravity as earth, so you need a big high-BC bullet going really fast if you don't want your trajectory to approximate a rainbow.


Ok, makes sense. More along the lines of recoil control, and some other personal stuff.


I imagine the BR would make your conscripts get better at fighting faster than an AR, since they have to correct for that stuff more. And aim better.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Sat Dec 08, 2012 5:29 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Ok, makes sense. More along the lines of recoil control, and some other personal stuff.


I imagine the BR would make your conscripts get better at fighting faster than an AR, since they have to correct for that stuff more. And aim better.


Maybe, but then again I prefer intermediary rounds (.270!) and non conscripts. Also Indeos you haven't been posting as much as you used to, anything up?
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Dec 08, 2012 8:58 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Ok, makes sense. More along the lines of recoil control, and some other personal stuff.


I imagine the BR would make your conscripts get better at fighting faster than an AR, since they have to correct for that stuff more. And aim better.


Don't BRs however require more training to be used?

If you take Joe Schmoe the PA rep for his parent's company who has never fired a gun (Nor even played a video game) and hand him an M14 to defend his motherland, he'll shoulder it, pull the trigger, and dislocate his arm.

If you gave J.S. an assault rifle, sure he'll be like 'wtf' the first few times but will get the hang of it sooner or later, faster however than one with a BR.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:00 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
Indeos wrote:
I imagine the BR would make your conscripts get better at fighting faster than an AR, since they have to correct for that stuff more. And aim better.


Don't BRs however require more training to be used?

If you take Joe Schmoe the PA rep for his parent's company who has never fired a gun (Nor even played a video game) and hand him an M14 to defend his motherland, he'll shoulder it, pull the trigger, and dislocate his arm.

If you gave J.S. an assault rifle, sure he'll be like 'wtf' the first few times but will get the hang of it sooner or later, faster however than one with a BR.

How would an army train its soldiers to use a BR in the first place? Give them one to hold for a while, shoot some blanks, and fire live rounds?

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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:04 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
Don't BRs however require more training to be used?

If you take Joe Schmoe the PA rep for his parent's company who has never fired a gun (Nor even played a video game) and hand him an M14 to defend his motherland, he'll shoulder it, pull the trigger, and dislocate his arm.

If you gave J.S. an assault rifle, sure he'll be like 'wtf' the first few times but will get the hang of it sooner or later, faster however than one with a BR.

How would an army train its soldiers to use a BR in the first place? Give them one to hold for a while, shoot some blanks, and fire live rounds?


blanks =/= live rounds

and a few days or maybe a week or two won't make a civilian automatically a BR using killing machine.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:05 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:How would an army train its soldiers to use a BR in the first place? Give them one to hold for a while, shoot some blanks, and fire live rounds?


blanks =/= live rounds

and a few days or maybe a week or two won't make a civilian automatically a BR using killing machine.

It takes a while, yes. Just how long?

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Postby The Zeonic States » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:07 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:How would an army train its soldiers to use a BR in the first place? Give them one to hold for a while, shoot some blanks, and fire live rounds?


blanks =/= live rounds

and a few days or maybe a week or two won't make a civilian automatically a BR using killing machine.


Heck i never even fired a battle rifle in the Army outside of training; We were shouldering AR's although i will point out having shot a BR myself several times i wasn't uncomfortable with the rifle style.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:

blanks =/= live rounds

and a few days or maybe a week or two won't make a civilian automatically a BR using killing machine.

It takes a while, yes. Just how long?


Months? Years? Mastering a weapon is not a short term process
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Postby San-Silvacian » Sat Dec 08, 2012 9:12 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
San-Silvacian wrote:
blanks =/= live rounds

and a few days or maybe a week or two won't make a civilian automatically a BR using killing machine.

It takes a while, yes. Just how long?


The United States Army's Basic Combat Training is 9 weeks iirc.

You'd want something around 1-3 weeks.

I think US Army training during WW2 was like a month of nothing but combat training. Their MOS gave them any other job-related skills.
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