Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mk. VI

[Sopwith]

The Militia use MK 4 Lee Enfields.
The Regulars use MK 3 Sten Guns.

Yes, we use outdated British weapons, but they work for us.

We accept any artillery we can find. We can't afford missiles.

[Immoren]

The Militia use MK 4 Lee Enfields.
The Regulars use MK 3 Sten Guns.

One would think it would be vice versa.

[San-Silvacian]

Sure.

Advisers and special forces.

Then suddenly they're activating National Guard and Reserves and sending boots.

Hmm.

Fawx news.

No offense, but I'm inclined to see them as being as reliable as a fox in real life.

I go my information from the Wall Street Journal D:

[Anacasppia]

A SAW per 8-man squad sounds okay.
I have 2 per 6-man squad.

Yeah, I go for two in an 8 man section.

Charlie Fire Team:
Section IC - R1A2 Assault Rifle
Grenadier - R1A2 Assault Rifle w/ UGL
Rifleman - R1A2 Assault Rifle
Support Gunner - MG-2 LMG
Delta Fire Team:
Section 2IC - R1A2 Assault Rifle
Grenadier - R1A2 Assault Rifle w/ UGL
Rifleman - R1A2 Assault Rifle
Support Gunner - MG-2 LMG

The MG can put down a greater weight of fire in a shorter amount of time, and can proceed to hold that fire rate for longer.

Was thinking of going Frenchy actually; one SAW, and one FLY-K mortar (I've forgotten whatever the French call it). By the way, anybody knows if counter-defilade engagement effects are possible with muzzle launched rifle grenades and a picatinny rail mounted computerized sight?

[Sopwith]

The Militia use MK 4 Lee Enfields.
The Regulars use MK 3 Sten Guns.

One would think it would be vice versa.

In what way would it be vice versa?
To me, giving the militia a bolt action rifle for use of defence in a small country.
While giving the regular army automatic weapons for use in any country they be deployed to.

[Spreewerke]

One would think it would be vice versa.

In what way would it be vice versa?
To me, giving the militia a bolt action rifle for use of defence in a small country.
While giving the regular army automatic weapons for use in any country they be deployed to.

Give national guard rifle capable of hitting 600m+.
Give infantry that invade foreign countries sub-machinegun capable of hitting ~100m.
Good luck in the mountains, sir, or any open field for that matter.

[Crookfur]

One would think it would be vice versa.

In what way would it be vice versa?
To me, giving the militia a bolt action rifle for use of defence in a small country.
While giving the regular army automatic weapons for use in any country they be deployed to.

Enfields are (realtively) expensive and take a lot of training to use well.

Stens are cheap and nasty particulalry in the mk2 and 3 models and very easy to use.

Regulars should porbabaly have SMLE's, access to some SMGs as required (hopefully soemthing a bit ncier like a MK V) and plenitful brens and once you past the early 50s they should have a proper self laoder be it the Fn gun or an alternative like say the AR-10.

[Kouralia]

One would think it would be vice versa.

In what way would it be vice versa?
To me, giving the militia a bolt action rifle for use of defence in a small country.
While giving the regular army automatic weapons for use in any country they be deployed to.

The .303 rifle can be used up to and including (IIRC) 2000 feet. At these ranges it can probably kill a man and then go through him to the one behind him.

The 9mm Sten gun is ineffective at ranges beyond 50m - where wearing a great coat becomes semi-viable protection.

The massed .303 rifles of the BEF in WWI made the Germans at one occasion think they were facing MGs, they were ebing fired that accurately and that fast. In addition, they can be volley fired over the horizon/beyond the maximum normal range in an arc to suppress enemies at extreme ranges - as in the Sudan with the Lee Metford (or was it the Martini Henry? I can't remember... D: )

[Elan Valleys]

In what way would it be vice versa?
To me, giving the militia a bolt action rifle for use of defence in a small country.
While giving the regular army automatic weapons for use in any country they be deployed to.

The 9mm Sten gun is ineffective at ranges beyond 50m - where wearing a great coat becomes semi-viable protection.

This has to be one of the greatest urban myths I have heard.

[Kouralia]

The 9mm Sten gun is ineffective at ranges beyond 50m - where wearing a great coat becomes semi-viable protection.

This has to be one of the greatest urban myths I have heard.

I'm guessing it's wrong then?

[Puzikas]

This has to be one of the greatest urban myths I have heard.

I'm guessing it's wrong then?

Id say the effective range of the Sten is 100-125 meters. A lot of people don't give pistol caliber rounds credit as credit is due when shot out of a longer barrel. The performance rises considerably really, and when you have a self loading rifle you certainly have a rather effective weapon for closer combat, but not so close it becomes far to uncomfortable for you.

[Spreewerke]

I'm guessing it's wrong then?

Id say the effective range of the Sten is 100-125 meters. A lot of people don't give pistol caliber rounds credit as credit is due when shot out of a longer barrel. The performance rises considerably really, and when you have a self loading rifle you certainly have a rather effective weapon for closer combat, but not so close it becomes far to uncomfortable for you.

Been meaning to ask you: any idea on the specifics of the sub-sonic 7.62x39mm ammunition you guys used?

[Puzikas]

Id say the effective range of the Sten is 100-125 meters. A lot of people don't give pistol caliber rounds credit as credit is due when shot out of a longer barrel. The performance rises considerably really, and when you have a self loading rifle you certainly have a rather effective weapon for closer combat, but not so close it becomes far to uncomfortable for you.

Been meaning to ask you: any idea on the specifics of the sub-sonic 7.62x39mm ammunition you guys used?

It was subsonic, I know that!

I believe it was loaded slightly under pressure to normal rounds and was a significantly heavier round than the standard. No specifics off the top of my head, I could tell you about 9x39 though.

[Spreewerke]

Been meaning to ask you: any idea on the specifics of the sub-sonic 7.62x39mm ammunition you guys used?

It was subsonic, I know that!

I believe it was loaded slightly under pressure to normal rounds and was a significantly heavier round than the standard. No specifics off the top of my head, I could tell you about 9x39 though.

Hmm. I've been trying to find a proper sub-sonic 7.62x39mm loading now that I've got that AKMS + suppressor idea going on in my head. I pick the AKMS up in February, and the suppressor I'm looking at is made specifically for AKs.

EDIT: Does 220gr. bullet weight sound about right to you?

[Puzikas]

It was subsonic, I know that!

I believe it was loaded slightly under pressure to normal rounds and was a significantly heavier round than the standard. No specifics off the top of my head, I could tell you about 9x39 though.

Hmm. I've been trying to find a proper sub-sonic 7.62x39mm loading now that I've got that AKMS + suppressor idea going on in my head. I pick the AKMS up in February, and the suppressor I'm looking at is made specifically for AKs.

Do they not make domestic 7.62 thats reloadable with relative ease?

A suppressed AKMS? Sounds like a fun time. My state has to many laws for me to own a really good Kalashnikov, hopefully ill be living elsewhere by the middle of 2013 though.

EDIT: 220gr round should yield satisfactory results id say. Maybe heavier even, have you looked at the .300Blackout and the 9x39 loadings? They would be a good point of reference to go off of.

[Spreewerke]

Hmm. I've been trying to find a proper sub-sonic 7.62x39mm loading now that I've got that AKMS + suppressor idea going on in my head. I pick the AKMS up in February, and the suppressor I'm looking at is made specifically for AKs.

Do they not make domestic 7.62 thats reloadable with relative ease?

A suppressed AKMS? Sounds like a fun time. My state has to many laws for me to own a really good Kalashnikov, hopefully ill be living elsewhere by the middle of 2013 though.

Reloading kits for steel casings are rather expensive, and considering this would be my only specialty load, there's not too much of a reason to look into reloading. Referring to the edit on my last post, however, does a 220gr. bullet weight sound correct to you?

http://www.ebr-inc.net/762x39JackhammerSubsonic.html

Also, apparently it's $2.00 per round, so I might actually look into some reloading equipment.

[Puzikas]

Do they not make domestic 7.62 thats reloadable with relative ease?

A suppressed AKMS? Sounds like a fun time. My state has to many laws for me to own a really good Kalashnikov, hopefully ill be living elsewhere by the middle of 2013 though.

Reloading kits for steel casings are rather expensive, and considering this would be my only specialty load, there's not too much of a reason to look into reloading. Referring to the edit on my last post, however, does a 220gr. bullet weight sound correct to you?

http://www.ebr-inc.net/762x39JackhammerSubsonic.html

I would have to say it would work.

[Spreewerke]

Reloading kits for steel casings are rather expensive, and considering this would be my only specialty load, there's not too much of a reason to look into reloading. Referring to the edit on my last post, however, does a 220gr. bullet weight sound correct to you?

http://www.ebr-inc.net/762x39JackhammerSubsonic.html

I would have to say it would work.

Awesome. The rifle in question is the following (except with the slant brake on correctly):

[Puzikas]

I would have to say it would work.

Awesome. The rifle in question is the following (except with the slant brake on correctly):

I like it.

Personally I always liked the 9x39 series myself, they were fun to shoot. I just wish I could get them here, best I could do would be to build an AK on a .300blk, build in a Suppressor. And I just dont have the time for that!

[Spreewerke]

Awesome. The rifle in question is the following (except with the slant brake on correctly):

I like it.

Personally I always liked the 9x39 series myself, they were fun to shoot. I just wish I could get them here, best I could do would be to build an AK on a .300blk, build in a Suppressor. And I just dont have the time for that!

I had actually put some research into making a .300BLK SAIGA conversion a few months ago. Probably won't bother with it again until my second-cousin and I get a gun store open... if we even do that.

[Immoren]

Reposted slimmed down list for MT/FanT Immoren
7.62 RK 95

7.62 KvKK 62

7.62 KK PKM

12.7 RsKK Kord

7.62 Tkiv Dragunov

8.6 Tkiv 2001

12.7 Tkiv 2003

9.00 Pist Glock

9.00 KPist 1997

[Puzikas]

Reposted slimmed down list for MT/FanT Immoren
7.62 RK 95

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7.62 KvKK 62

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7.62 KK PKM

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12.7 RsKK Kord

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7.62 Tkiv Dragunov

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8.6 Tkiv 2001

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12.7 Tkiv 2003

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9.00 Pist Glock

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9.00 KPist 1997

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Finnish gear always ticked my fancy.

I like it.

Personally I always liked the 9x39 series myself, they were fun to shoot. I just wish I could get them here, best I could do would be to build an AK on a .300blk, build in a Suppressor. And I just dont have the time for that!

I had actually put some research into making a .300BLK SAIGA conversion a few months ago. Probably won't bother with it again until my second-cousin and I get a gun store open... if we even do that.

FFL Licencing that difficult? I know its not terribly hard to get your C&R FFL.

[Spreewerke]

FFL Licencing that difficult? I know its not terribly hard to get your C&R FFL.

A C&R FFL lets you have firearms from countries that are from ~WWII or later (some exceptions) to be shipped directly to your door.

A business FFL of any type requires a physical brick-and-mortar storefront, insurance, a security system, BATFE-approved record keeping methods, and things of that nature. Not to mention that having to have the building itself constructed and maintained to local fire codes, etc. is a run-around all in itself. That, and if you get denied for an FFL for any reason at any time, you can never apply for one again. We're wanting to take it as slow as possible and make sure everything is absolutely right.

[Puzikas]

FFL Licencing that difficult? I know its not terribly hard to get your C&R FFL.

A C&R FFL lets you have firearms from countries that are from ~WWII or later (some exceptions) to be shipped directly to your door.

A business FFL of any type requires a physical brick-and-mortar storefront, insurance, a security system, BATFE-approved record keeping methods, and things of that nature. Not to mention that having to have the building itself constructed and maintained to local fire codes, etc. is a run-around all in itself. That, and if you get denied for an FFL for any reason at any time, you can never apply for one again. We're wanting to take it as slow as possible and make sure everything is absolutely right.

So alot goes into becoming a FFL.
Don't even WANT to know what it takes to become a Class III dealer.

[Spreewerke]

A C&R FFL lets you have firearms from countries that are from ~WWII or later (some exceptions) to be shipped directly to your door.

A business FFL of any type requires a physical brick-and-mortar storefront, insurance, a security system, BATFE-approved record keeping methods, and things of that nature. Not to mention that having to have the building itself constructed and maintained to local fire codes, etc. is a run-around all in itself. That, and if you get denied for an FFL for any reason at any time, you can never apply for one again. We're wanting to take it as slow as possible and make sure everything is absolutely right.

So alot goes into becoming a FFL.
Don't even WANT to know what it takes to become a Class III dealer.

The gun store I work at (part time) currently has their FFL and SOT set up to where they can do absolutely anything they want (so long as an LEO agency signs off on it). Suppressors, full-autos of any year, short-barreled rifles/shotguns, AOWs, manufacturing of fully-automatics, etc. FFL is in the process of getting transferred over to the guys who'll be owning it shortly and currently manage the retail portion (I refer to them as the owners, regardless: they're buying it out from the current owner within the next month or so). I think they're going to go for the same classifications and qualifications, as well.