Main Military Weapon of Your Country: Mk. VI

[San-Silvacian]

Why I'm going to hold back with joining the military for a while.

You do of course realise that such operations in Africa and the Middle East involve precisely no US boots on the ground? Just advisers and special forces.

Sure.

Advisers and special forces.

Then suddenly they're activating National Guard and Reserves and sending boots.

[Transnapastain]

and then suddenly, out of no where

[The Zeonic States]

and then suddenly, out of no where

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BOOTS!

[Aqizithiuda]

*sigh*

I'm on my phome right now, so linking is hard right now, but i poatwd a link earlier on that proves the reduced cost of polymer ammunition.

If it was that colt link it didn't provide any detail on the exact material used it was just broad statements of superiority.

Until otherwise proven, I'm going to have to take the Colt presentation at face value, since there doesn't seem to be any conflicting data.

[The Zeonic States]

If it was that colt link it didn't provide any detail on the exact material used it was just broad statements of superiority.

Until otherwise proven, I'm going to have to take the Colt presentation at face value, since there doesn't seem to be any conflicting data.

...Even though no real detail of what materials to be used were given?

[Azadstan]

AEK-971.

I haven't done a kit up yet but I'll post it up when I have it.

[Aqizithiuda]

Until otherwise proven, I'm going to have to take the Colt presentation at face value, since there doesn't seem to be any conflicting data.

...Even though no real detail of what materials to be used were given?

Colt is a well known, occasionally innovative company and the presentation was given at a conference full of experts. It might not give all the details you want, but the weight and cost are more than likely to be correct. Unless you can show otherwise, the presentation remains valid and supports my point.

[Spreewerke]

So, turns out, I'm not going to get paid at all for my work at 'ze store until February and they are not able to make my Mosin carbine.

On a brighter side, there's a girl from the shooting team that goes in there on occasion now and takes over my position on Fridays, apparently: I now have an apprentice, sort of. She was there when I stopped in today, and it was a good thing I did: Steyr AUG A3 was giving her some problems, so I helped her with the disassembly and reassembly of that. It's actually not too horribly complicated, but it's typical of die Deutsch sprechenden Menschen: overly-complicated for what it is.

Oh, and this happened: Corda, prepare your loins.

EDIT: Yeah, not really sure what got on my camera lens. I had a windshield sticker in my pocket, so something might have transferred. Will have to give it a gentle cleaning tomorrow. So for now, enjoy slightly fuzzy bullslug glory.

[The Zeonic States]

So, turns out, I'm not going to get paid at all for my work at 'ze store until February and they are not able to make my Mosin carbine.

On a brighter side, there's a girl from the shooting team that goes in there on occasion now and takes over my position on Fridays, apparently: I now have an apprentice, sort of. She was there when I stopped in today, and it was a good thing I did: Steyr AUG A3 was giving her some problems, so I helped her with the disassembly and reassembly of that. It's actually not too horribly complicated, but it's typical of die Deutsch sprechenden Menschen: overly-complicated for what it is.

Oh, and this happened: Corda, prepare your loins.

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Spree where do you ply Your trade anyhow?

[Aqizithiuda]

So, turns out, I'm not going to get paid at all for my work at 'ze store until February and they are not able to make my Mosin carbine.

On a brighter side, there's a girl from the shooting team that goes in there on occasion now and takes over my position on Fridays, apparently: I now have an apprentice, sort of. She was there when I stopped in today, and it was a good thing I did: Steyr AUG A3 was giving her some problems, so I helped her with the disassembly and reassembly of that. It's actually not too horribly complicated, but it's typical of die Deutsch sprechenden Menschen: overly-complicated for what it is.

Oh, and this happened: Corda, prepare your loins.

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So you'll have a whole flock of apprentices .

[Spreewerke]

So, turns out, I'm not going to get paid at all for my work at 'ze store until February and they are not able to make my Mosin carbine.

On a brighter side, there's a girl from the shooting team that goes in there on occasion now and takes over my position on Fridays, apparently: I now have an apprentice, sort of. She was there when I stopped in today, and it was a good thing I did: Steyr AUG A3 was giving her some problems, so I helped her with the disassembly and reassembly of that. It's actually not too horribly complicated, but it's typical of die Deutsch sprechenden Menschen: overly-complicated for what it is.

Oh, and this happened: Corda, prepare your loins.

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Spree where do you ply Your trade anyhow?

What do you mean?

[Puzikas]

Spree where do you ply Your trade anyhow?

What do you mean?

Well after lurking here I can only say you were correct, people here know their stuff.

This, I like.

[San-Silvacian]

So, turns out, I'm not going to get paid at all for my work at 'ze store until February and they are not able to make my Mosin carbine.

On a brighter side, there's a girl from the shooting team that goes in there on occasion now and takes over my position on Fridays, apparently: I now have an apprentice, sort of. She was there when I stopped in today, and it was a good thing I did: Steyr AUG A3 was giving her some problems, so I helped her with the disassembly and reassembly of that. It's actually not too horribly complicated, but it's typical of die Deutsch sprechenden Menschen: overly-complicated for what it is.

Oh, and this happened: Corda, prepare your loins.

(Image)

EDIT: Yeah, not really sure what got on my camera lens. I had a windshield sticker in my pocket, so something might have transferred. Will have to give it a gentle cleaning tomorrow. So for now, enjoy slightly fuzzy bullslug glory.

Kel-Tec = Best Tec

[The Zeonic States]

...Even though no real detail of what materials to be used were given?

Colt is a well known, occasionally innovative company and the presentation was given at a conference full of experts. It might not give all the details you want, but the weight and cost are more than likely to be correct. Unless you can show otherwise, the presentation remains valid and supports my point.

It supports nothing with out actual information to back up its claim's I don't care if its colt or HK or browning or whatever it needs data to back up words.

[The Zeonic States]

Spree where do you ply Your trade anyhow?

What do you mean?

Where do you work?

[Aqizithiuda]

Colt is a well known, occasionally innovative company and the presentation was given at a conference full of experts. It might not give all the details you want, but the weight and cost are more than likely to be correct. Unless you can show otherwise, the presentation remains valid and supports my point.

It supports nothing with out actual information to back up its claim's I don't care if its colt or HK or browning or whatever it needs data to back up words.

Until you prove otherwise, it proves everything. It comes from a reputable source and backs up my claims. What evidence do you have for your claim?

[Galla-]

Polymer ammunition can be made for just about all small arms, providing an decrease in weight. Conventional rifles, however, canjot fire caseless ammo.

HITP propellants don't need any coating to protect from warping, while plastic cased ammo is superior to brass in its ability to resist cook off.

Most of the forums and such i found on the plastic's ability to withstand heat stated it wouldn't cook off before brass and none mentioned that it would do so after Brass had already ruptured. Brass has a fairly moderate melting point or even stress point when it comes to Heat and i am certain that some varients of plastic could in fact match or even excede depending upon the Material but i wouldn't accept that it would be much cheaper then brass, I have seen the price tags on heat resistant material before.

how does an corporation do interweb

Bulk prices for manufacturers are probably a lot cheaper wrt plastics.

Also wrt machining and labour costs, plastics are probably better than brass/steel.

[The Zeonic States]

It supports nothing with out actual information to back up its claim's I don't care if its colt or HK or browning or whatever it needs data to back up words.

Until you prove otherwise, it proves everything. It comes from a reputable source and backs up my claims. What evidence do you have for your claim?

It proves NOTHING because it reveals NOTHING, its undetailed and very broad in it's wording. And i don't claim that colt is not Reputable it's an Older gun company and generally is right when it reveals something but it has nothing but claims and assumptions and their theories with NO actual sources or data for their claims.

So yeah i really don't see anything as undetailed as that as evidence of much because it's nothing but what they claim. They don't any detailed notes of Materials or possible Manfufacturing techiques or usages in weaponry, Its just them saying its a "Better" Bullet.

Excuse me for not bowing down to the "Literal" "Mountain" Of "Evidence".

And most of the faults i listed off were fairly common issues espeically the heat related ones, Even Wiki will tell you that.

[Spreewerke]

What do you mean?

Where do you work?

I work part time at a gun store. It used to be "volunteer," but I guess now (as of this evening) it's been more or less agreed upon that I get $50.00 worth of store credit per working day (that actually involves a good amount of work; not just sit-around-and-touch-stuff days), so ~$100.00 of store credit per week since I have only two days with no classes.

What do you mean?

Well after lurking here I can only say you were correct, people here know their stuff.

This, I like.

Indeed! Great thread, albeit we've still yet to decide who the next torch-bearer shall be.

[Aqizithiuda]

Until you prove otherwise, it proves everything. It comes from a reputable source and backs up my claims. What evidence do you have for your claim?

It proves NOTHING because it reveals NOTHING, its undetailed and very broad in it's wording. And i don't claim that colt is not Reputable it's an Older gun company and generally is right when it reveals something but it has nothing but claims and assumptions and their theories with NO actual sources or data for their claims.

So yeah i really don't see anything as undetailed as that as evidence of much because it's nothing but what they claim. They don't any detailed notes of Materials or possible Manfufacturing techiques or usages in weaponry, Its just them saying its a "Better" Bullet.

Excuse me for not bowing down to the "Literal" "Mountain" Of "Evidence".

If you can't disprove it, accept that you can't and move on. Don't just stick your fingers in your ears.

And most of the faults i listed off were fairly common issues espeically the heat related ones, Even Wiki will tell you that.

Are we getting back onto the topic of caseless ammunition now?

[The Zeonic States]

It proves NOTHING because it reveals NOTHING, its undetailed and very broad in it's wording. And i don't claim that colt is not Reputable it's an Older gun company and generally is right when it reveals something but it has nothing but claims and assumptions and their theories with NO actual sources or data for their claims.

So yeah i really don't see anything as undetailed as that as evidence of much because it's nothing but what they claim. They don't any detailed notes of Materials or possible Manfufacturing techiques or usages in weaponry, Its just them saying its a "Better" Bullet.

Excuse me for not bowing down to the "Literal" "Mountain" Of "Evidence".

If you can't disprove it, accept that you can't and move on. Don't just stick your fingers in your ears.

And most of the faults i listed off were fairly common issues espeically the heat related ones, Even Wiki will tell you that.

Are we getting back onto the topic of caseless ammunition now?

No; But you asked me of where i got my own evidence? I have issue pointing out the source.

And i really don't need to disprove the colt link because it doesn't Prove anything its just company assurance.

Take it on faith if you want, i prefer detailed fact.

[Aqizithiuda]

If you can't disprove it, accept that you can't and move on. Don't just stick your fingers in your ears.



Are we getting back onto the topic of caseless ammunition now?

No;

Then what heat issues are you talking about?

But you asked me of where i got my own evidence? I have issue pointing out the source.

Then your "sources" are irrelevant to this discussion.

And i really don't need to disprove the colt link because it doesn't Prove anything its just company assurance.

Company assurance presented to a room full of experts who could have called bullshit on any part of it.

Take it on faith if you want, i prefer detailed fact.

Something I have yet to see you present.

[The Zeonic States]

Where do you work?

I work part time at a gun store. It used to be "volunteer," but I guess now (as of this evening) it's been more or less agreed upon that I get $50.00 worth of store credit per working day (that actually involves a good amount of work; not just sit-around-and-touch-stuff days), so ~$100.00 of store credit per week since I have only two days with no classes.

Well after lurking here I can only say you were correct, people here know their stuff.

This, I like.

Indeed! Great thread, albeit we've still yet to decide who the next torch-bearer shall be.

Ah; So what does your normal work day consist of?

[The Zeonic States]

No;

Then what heat issues are you talking about?

But you asked me of where i got my own evidence? I have issue pointing out the source.

Then your "sources" are irrelevant to this discussion.

And i really don't need to disprove the colt link because it doesn't Prove anything its just company assurance.

Company assurance presented to a room full of experts who could have called bullshit on any part of it.

Take it on faith if you want, i prefer detailed fact.

Something I have yet to see you present.

Truely? I have no issue with presenting my counter agruments and yet it seems this is the only piece of Your own agrument you cling to; Expert Opinion on a Product with no details given, I would assume to the experts, or perhaps they were told the materials and design of these products? If so then why wasn't that information present as well?

If it was convinving enough i might actually believe it, if it made sense i would see about the product myself but the information was very undetailed and it was basically just what they were discussing with no mention of WHAT they were discussing. No detail of the Products and No detail of what the experts had to say on said product.

So yeah maybe they did call Bullshit on it, Maybe that just wasn't included.

But i would agree my sources of Wikipedia and a few other websites which provided information upon caseless and telescoped rounds which i used earlier is not the point of this.

The point of this is how this website has no point even being discussed due to the plain lack of information given out on it. It was like a shedule of events more then a detailed explaination of what was discussed.

[Aqizithiuda]

Then what heat issues are you talking about?



Then your "sources" are irrelevant to this discussion.



Company assurance presented to a room full of experts who could have called bullshit on any part of it.



Something I have yet to see you present.

Truely?

Yes, truly. You've provided absolutely no sources whatsoever.

quote]I have no issue with presenting my counter agruments and yet it seems this is the only piece of Your own agrument you cling to;[/quote]

Ahahaha. No. It's just my response to the only argument of mine you've focused on mine. It's pretty much the only thing you've responded to for a while now.

Expert Opinion on a Product with no details given, I would assume to the experts, or perhaps they were told the materials and design of these products? If so then why wasn't that information present as well?

They probably were, but in the speech, not the slides. Or maybe the company just wants to protect their product until the patent comes through?

If it was convinving enough i might actually believe it, if it made sense i would see about the product myself but the information was very undetailed and it was basically just what they were discussing with no mention of WHAT they were discussing. No detail of the Products and No detail of what the experts had to say on said product.

It's more comprehensive and convincing than your sources.

So yeah maybe they did call Bullshit on it, Maybe that just wasn't included.

And maybe puppies then floated down from the sky and a triple rainbow appeared. That's just speculation on your part.

But i would agree my sources of Wikipedia and a few other websites which provided information upon caseless and telescoped rounds which i used earlier is not the point of this.

Actually, yeah, it is. You're claiming that, according to your sources, there's no way good, military standard polymer cases can be cheaper than brass, and yet you don't cite any of your sources. I, however, offer sources, which you choose to ignore because it suits you.

The point of this is how this website has no point even being discussed due to the plain lack of information given out on it. It was like a shedule of events more then a detailed explaination of what was discussed.

It's more worthy of discussion than your sources.