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Kouralia wrote:

Benomia wrote:I found a .50 machine gun that isn't the M2, so a .42 M249 has already left my mind.

That being said, .35 AK variant anyone?

http://fnfal.com/forums/showthread.php?t=76174 Better .50 MG.

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Best .50 MG . Probably the only decent looking Australian design, too.

Due to the nature of our politics, the Fiefdom of Spencopia is largely defensive in nature: each "noble" protecting his own land, entirely through personel military contractors (PMCs). What they carry varies per contractor, although the common armament is a submachine gun with a .45 pistol. The wide variations in weapons is due to the use of PMCs, and there is no federal standing army yet, although it is being looked into.

Spencopia wrote:Due to the nature of our politics, the Fiefdom of Spencopia is largely defensive in nature: each "noble" protecting his own land, entirely through personel military contractors (PMCs). What they carry varies per contractor, although the common armament is a submachine gun with a .45 pistol. The wide variations in weapons is due to the use of PMCs, and there is no federal standing army yet, although it is being looked into.

Good luck getting a national army with the PMCs holding all the weapons .

Edit: Apparently, NS has a certain...reputation on Tony William's forum.

Also, discarding the idea of using the 4.6mm Interdynamics as the round for my OICW type weapon. The barrier penetration would just be too poor. I'm currently looking into a round with a heavy (77-85gr) 5.56mm bullet, hopefully with a MV>900 m/s. Based on the Winchester light rifle and a few back of the envelope calculations, I should be able to have a 4.5kg weapon loaded with 30 rounds of 5.56 ammunition and 3 20mm grenades. A basic airburst sight would add around about 500 grams, while a XM-25 style sight would add around 1.2kg to the overall weapon.

At this point I'm thinking that my sections will be similar to the French combat group. A 300 metre fireteam consisting of four men armed with my combination rifles (minus airburst capabilities) - plus three LAWs - and a 600 metre fireteam consisting of an AR-10 armed marksman, a gunner and assistant, and a soldier with an airburst capable sight, plus the section NCO.

Aqizithiuda wrote:

Spencopia wrote:Due to the nature of our politics, the Fiefdom of Spencopia is largely defensive in nature: each "noble" protecting his own land, entirely through personel military contractors (PMCs). What they carry varies per contractor, although the common armament is a submachine gun with a .45 pistol. The wide variations in weapons is due to the use of PMCs, and there is no federal standing army yet, although it is being looked into.

Good luck getting a national army with the PMCs holding all the weapons .

Edit: Apparently, NS has a certain...reputation on Tony William's forum.

Also, discarding the idea of using the 4.6mm Interdynamics as the round for my OICW type weapon. The barrier penetration would just be too poor. I'm currently looking into a round with a heavy (77-85gr) 5.56mm bullet, hopefully with a MV>900 m/s. Based on the Winchester light rifle and a few back of the envelope calculations, I should be able to have a 4.5kg weapon loaded with 30 rounds of 5.56 ammunition and 3 20mm grenades. A basic airburst sight would add around about 500 grams, while a XM-25 style sight would add around 1.2kg to the overall weapon.

At this point I'm thinking that my sections will be similar to the French combat group. A 300 metre fireteam consisting of four men armed with my combination rifles (minus airburst capabilities) - plus three LAWs - and a 600 metre fireteam consisting of an AR-10 armed marksman, a gunner and assistant, and a soldier with an airburst capable sight, plus the section NCO.

Sounds an interesting layout, may have to have a look at that for my non-motorised/mechanised infantry and reserves. I assume the 'gunner' is a Gimpy gunner?

Reputation? How so? I checked the link on my phone and didn't see anything obviously NS-related.

It was right in the very first post:

Yep, it is a photo montage with a lot of drawn in or otherwise fabricated bits. It could be another pseudo weapon for nation states or a similar forum.

Well, I always wondered what impression NS-lol technologies like 140mm ETC guns would give outsiders...

Anacasppia wrote::P It was right in the very first post:

Yep, it is a photo montage with a lot of drawn in or otherwise fabricated bits. It could be another pseudo weapon for nation states or a similar forum.

Well, I always wondered what impression NS-lol technologies like 140mm ETC guns would give outsiders...

Really? The link just directed me to the board index.

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:

Anacasppia wrote::P It was right in the very first post:

Well, I always wondered what impression NS-lol technologies like 140mm ETC guns would give outsiders...

Really? The link just directed me to the board index.

I saw it, its kinda funny. My favorite problem is when I start doing research on various subjects and NS is one of he first results google spits back at me.

A question (and sorry for me being so noobish on guns):

My mililtary uses the IMI Galil as standard service Rifle.One of its variants is the SAR variant,a carbine.
Is this variant good enough for special operation teams or should I settle with another gun for this kind of action ?

I have to say,I like the M4 Carbine,which seems to be commonly used by many countries as weapon of choice
for such missions.Which one would be better suited ? Would it be completly unlogical to use both ?

Thanks for the answers in advance.

Liugark wrote:A question (and sorry for me being so noobish on guns):

My mililtary uses the IMI Galil as standard service Rifle.One of its variants is the SAR variant,a carbine.
Is this variant good enough for special operation teams or should I settle with another gun for this kind of action ?

I have to say,I like the M4 Carbine,which seems to be commonly used by many countries as weapon of choice
for such missions.Which one would be better suited ? Would it be completly unlogical to use both ?

Thanks for the answers in advance.

Keep Israeli theme, use MTAR-21. Basically a bullpup Galil in terms of operation.

After a recent survey around the Yorkopolitan military, the Federal Defense Council has decided that the current service rifle of Yorkopolis will be replaced using the old Wieger StG 940. It keeps the designation and is now used as standard rifle, DMR, carbine and handheld LMG in the Yorkopolitan People's Army.



It replaces the old Model 8 assault rifle in service and commonly uses 5.56x45mm rifle rounds, although there are variants using different calibres.

Liugark wrote:A question (and sorry for me being so noobish on guns):

My mililtary uses the IMI Galil as standard service Rifle.One of its variants is the SAR variant,a carbine.
Is this variant good enough for special operation teams or should I settle with another gun for this kind of action ?

I have to say,I like the M4 Carbine,which seems to be commonly used by many countries as weapon of choice
for such missions.Which one would be better suited ? Would it be completly unlogical to use both ?

Thanks for the answers in advance.

Both makes sense, for long enough the M4 (or whatever alternative flavour of autoamtic AR-15/M16 carbine you like) was pretty much the only game in town for special ops, not just because it was the first paltform to really feature rails but it was the tool of choice for the trend settering fashionistas of the special ops world i.e. the SAS and the SEALs.

I would suspect that as such your spec ops guys would likely still ahve a lot of M4s kicking around that they have put a lot of hours into mastering but these will likely be supplemented by raield gaalils (i.e. the galil ACE) and the various tavor versions. There is also the question of how much freedom in weapon selection your special ops have and wether they are large a scale type of force (like the RM commandos, the US rangers etc) or a very small select band i.e. the SAS.

Crookfur wrote:...trend settering fashionistas of the special ops world i.e. the SAS and the SEALs.

"In recent news, after an SAS sergeant was seen carrying a Nerf Rayven the world's Special Forces community is scrabbling to get to Hasbro before the inevitable price-hike forces this wonder-weapon into the hands of 1st-world Special Forces only."

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:

Aqizithiuda wrote:
Good luck getting a national army with the PMCs holding all the weapons .

Edit: Apparently, NS has a certain...reputation on Tony William's forum.

Also, discarding the idea of using the 4.6mm Interdynamics as the round for my OICW type weapon. The barrier penetration would just be too poor. I'm currently looking into a round with a heavy (77-85gr) 5.56mm bullet, hopefully with a MV>900 m/s. Based on the Winchester light rifle and a few back of the envelope calculations, I should be able to have a 4.5kg weapon loaded with 30 rounds of 5.56 ammunition and 3 20mm grenades. A basic airburst sight would add around about 500 grams, while a XM-25 style sight would add around 1.2kg to the overall weapon.

At this point I'm thinking that my sections will be similar to the French combat group. A 300 metre fireteam consisting of four men armed with my combination rifles (minus airburst capabilities) - plus three LAWs - and a 600 metre fireteam consisting of an AR-10 armed marksman, a gunner and assistant, and a soldier with an airburst capable sight, plus the section NCO.

Sounds an interesting layout, may have to have a look at that for my non-motorised/mechanised infantry and reserves. I assume the 'gunner' is a Gimpy gunner?

Yep. They'll probably be armed with something along the lines of the PKM, only chambered for 7mm Mauser.

Reputation? How so? I checked the link on my phone and didn't see anything obviously NS-related.

Basically, the post I thought I linked to was part of a thread on a supposed autoloaded Krupp 10.5cm cannon. As Anacasppia said, there was a suggestion that the picture was a photoshop intended for NS.

Crookfur wrote:

Liugark wrote:A question (and sorry for me being so noobish on guns):

My mililtary uses the IMI Galil as standard service Rifle.One of its variants is the SAR variant,a carbine.
Is this variant good enough for special operation teams or should I settle with another gun for this kind of action ?

I have to say,I like the M4 Carbine,which seems to be commonly used by many countries as weapon of choice
for such missions.Which one would be better suited ? Would it be completly unlogical to use both ?

Thanks for the answers in advance.

Both makes sense, for long enough the M4 (or whatever alternative flavour of autoamtic AR-15/M16 carbine you like) was pretty much the only game in town for special ops, not just because it was the first paltform to really feature rails but it was the tool of choice for the trend settering fashionistas of the special ops world i.e. the SAS and the SEALs.

I would suspect that as such your spec ops guys would likely still ahve a lot of M4s kicking around that they have put a lot of hours into mastering but these will likely be supplemented by raield gaalils (i.e. the galil ACE) and the various tavor versions. There is also the question of how much freedom in weapon selection your special ops have and wether they are large a scale type of force (like the RM commandos, the US rangers etc) or a very small select band i.e. the SAS.

Thanks for all the answers.

For now I want to choose the main rifle for smaller special units.Nua Corda and you made good points in keeping with the
Israeli theme,as my nation is Judaistic and most of it´s small arms are western ones.

After researching the IMI Tavor TAR-21 I think I will choose this one.The only reason not to use it seems to be the price,
which should be no problem since my military would use them only for a small part of the army,and the military has
quite a high budget.

I want to finally finish my nations military,as I did an half assed attempt some months ago already.
So I might be asking for some more advise from now on.

dia-katanas

Liugark wrote:

Crookfur wrote:
Both makes sense, for long enough the M4 (or whatever alternative flavour of autoamtic AR-15/M16 carbine you like) was pretty much the only game in town for special ops, not just because it was the first paltform to really feature rails but it was the tool of choice for the trend settering fashionistas of the special ops world i.e. the SAS and the SEALs.

I would suspect that as such your spec ops guys would likely still ahve a lot of M4s kicking around that they have put a lot of hours into mastering but these will likely be supplemented by raield gaalils (i.e. the galil ACE) and the various tavor versions. There is also the question of how much freedom in weapon selection your special ops have and wether they are large a scale type of force (like the RM commandos, the US rangers etc) or a very small select band i.e. the SAS.

Thanks for all the answers.

For now I want to choose the main rifle for smaller special units.Nua Corda and you made good points in keeping with the
Israeli theme,as my nation is Judaistic and most of it´s small arms are western ones.

After researching the IMI Tavor TAR-21 I think I will choose this one.The only reason not to use it seems to be the price,
which should be no problem since my military would use them only for a small part of the army,and the military has
quite a high budget.

I want to finally finish my nations military,as I did an half assed attempt some months ago already.
So I might be asking for some more advise from now on.

I personally would suggest the X95 "FlatTop" Tavor, with the longer barrel and barrel shroud as pictured here, though only one squadie need carry the grenade launcher. I would also suggest the use of MagPul furniture, such as PMAG magazines, MBUS back-up sights, and RVG or AFG foregrips.

The Vomalain Armed Services tend to use the G36C or the AR-15 as their main rifle for land troops, however, other weapons are substituted in depending on mission details and what is needed for those missions.

In the artanic army the 'normal' rifle used is the 02-28 Maxon Assault Rifle

Nua Corda wrote:

Liugark wrote:
Thanks for all the answers.

For now I want to choose the main rifle for smaller special units.Nua Corda and you made good points in keeping with the
Israeli theme,as my nation is Judaistic and most of it´s small arms are western ones.

After researching the IMI Tavor TAR-21 I think I will choose this one.The only reason not to use it seems to be the price,
which should be no problem since my military would use them only for a small part of the army,and the military has
quite a high budget.

I want to finally finish my nations military,as I did an half assed attempt some months ago already.
So I might be asking for some more advise from now on.

I personally would suggest the X95 "FlatTop" Tavor, with the longer barrel and barrel shroud as pictured here, though only one squadie need carry the grenade launcher. I would also suggest the use of MagPul furniture, such as PMAG magazines, MBUS back-up sights, and RVG or AFG foregrips.

Just looked it up and it seems to be a more optimal choice of weapon,even though I have not much of an idea on guns yet.
Squadie=Soldier right ? And just looked the other parts of the gun you suggested up,I just trust you on your word that those
are good choices.Thanks.

Artano wrote:In the artanic army the 'normal' rifle used is the 02-28 Maxon Assault Rifle

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x.X Your arms would have to be so long to comfortably hold that it seems to me.

Liugark wrote:

Nua Corda wrote:
I personally would suggest the X95 "FlatTop" Tavor, with the longer barrel and barrel shroud as pictured here, though only one squadie need carry the grenade launcher. I would also suggest the use of MagPul furniture, such as PMAG magazines, MBUS back-up sights, and RVG or AFG foregrips.

Just looked it up and it seems to be a more optimal choice of weapon,even though I have not much of an idea on guns yet.
Squadie=Soldier right ? And just looked the other parts of the gun you suggested up,I just trust you on your word that those
are good choices.Thanks.

Well, squad member specifically, but yes. And MagPul makes the best AR-15 (M16/M4) furniture and STANAG magazines on the planet, in my humble opinion.

No problemo

Nua Corda wrote:

Liugark wrote:
Just looked it up and it seems to be a more optimal choice of weapon,even though I have not much of an idea on guns yet.
Squadie=Soldier right ? And just looked the other parts of the gun you suggested up,I just trust you on your word that those
are good choices.Thanks.

Well, squad member specifically, but yes. And MagPul makes the best AR-15 (M16/M4) furniture and STANAG magazines on the planet, in my humble opinion.

No problemo

Okay,cool.I have updated my factbook with the nescessary informations.Do special unit member´s carry pistols ?
Other small arms ?

Veceria wrote:Variant of the Vecerian AMBR, chambered in an intermediate round instead of the BR-round.

That's a nice looking rifle.

Aqizithiuda wrote:

Veceria wrote:Variant of the Vecerian AMBR, chambered in an intermediate round instead of the BR-round.

That's a nice looking rifle.

Thank you :3