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Postby Spreewerke » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:21 am

Howdy.

This thread has been created in order for you, the person reading this, to brag as much as humanly possible about the weapons designs both created and fielded by your nation. It's primarily for your main infantry weapon (for example, I use a local variant of the AK), but you can definitely discuss handguns, shotguns, rifles, carbines, PDWs, SMGs, HMGs, LMGs, pretty much anything.

Here's what's welcomed in this thread,
Sam wrote:Primary small arms issued to your nation's infantry.
Discussion of other small arms and heavy weapons is acceptable (OOC).
Discussion of small arms rounds, infantry doctrine and lineart critique is also welcomed (OOC).
Also OOC military-related nonsense off-topic for lolz.


That said, there are a couple of things that aren't acceptable answers, unless you fit very specific criteria. The most obvious of these is that the 'AK-47' is not an acceptable answer. If you have a problem with that, feel free to talk to me about it. Why isn't that an acceptable answer, though? Spoiler time!

No, seriously, read this:
The AK-47 was designed in 1946 and formally adopted by the Soviet military in 1949. There were four models used between 1947 and 1959: The AK-47 was the test and trials designation for the rifle: the earlier prototypes, made in 1946, were referred to as the AK-1 and AK-2. After the adoption of the rifle, it was designated simply as the "AK". However, due to three variants of the AK being made, it is more proper to refer to these variants as the "AK Type-#" rather than just "AK" as the three variants differed quite significantly from one another. Due to that, the term "AK" has more or less become a catch-all for just about all AK variants, and does not necessarily refer to one specific model. The Type-I, adopted in late 1948, featured an early, stamped receiver, but it was quickly (and I mean quickly) replaced by the Type-II AK in 1949. This featured a milled receiver, a stock boot, and some other small, yet somewhat significant changes. The Type-III is the most common "AK-47," and it is basically just a milled predecessor of the rifle you should be using. What rifle is that?

Enter the AKM.

The AKM is the modernized version of the Type-III assault rifle. It utilizes a stamped receiver, reinforced receiver cover, slanted muzzle brake, vented gas block, and a rear sight leaf showing distances of 100m to 1,000m among other things. In reality, it is only acceptably accurate out to 300m on a good day. The AKM is the most widespread AK variant in the world. Almost every foreign-made AK (Yugoslavian, Hungarian, Polish, etc) variant in the world is based off of the AKM. Why? It's more reliable and just as accurate as the original AKs, not to mention much cheaper to produce. It is the Kalashnikov rifle. They come in a variety of, well, variants, which include models with forward, wooden grips, underfolding MP40-style stocks, side-folding wire stocks, and, of course, fixed, wooden stocks. They fire the 7.62x39mm cartridge. Folding-stocked AKMs are designated as AKMS.

The AKMN is the most useful of the AKMs, however, as it utilizes the famous Russian optics rail on the receiver. This allows the user to attach a variety of slide-on optics that do not lose zero and, sometimes, co-witness or, most usually, sit above the iron sights so one may choose which sighting system to use. If I recommend any "old", AKM variant, it is most usually the AKMN. It is the most multi-purpose AKM variant there is, and that optics rail is wonderful. It can serve as a mount for red dot optics and magnified optics alike (night vision, too!).

Let's say you've advanced beyond the AKM, though, and are looking for some more "modern" AKs. This is where the AK-74 and its variants come into play. The AK-74 was adopted in 1974 and it was Russia's answer to the M16 family. Its 5.45x39mm round is kind of a "me, too!" round as they wished to copy the American 5.56NATO cartridge. However, in their drunken stupor, the Russians managed to make a much more effective round. The 5.45x39mm round is very unstable after coming in contact with any kind of obstruction. This limits its penetration quite a bit, but the tissue damage it inflicts is unparalleled. The AK-74 family really tears up soft targets.

Even more modern still is the AK-100-series of AKs. The AK-101 and AK-102 are 5.56x45mm NATO variants of the AK. They're basically a re-chambered AK-74M. The AK-103 and AK-104 are the new, modern 7.62x39mm variants of the AK. I, in all honesty, believe these are the most superior models of the AK family. Stick to the AK-74M, AK-101, or AK-103 for your full-sized AK rifles (or AK-107, AK-108, or AK-109 if you wish to utilize the BARS anti-recoil dual-piston assembly). For carbines, the AK-102, AK-104, and AK-105 are your answers. Shorter still is the AKS-74u. However, if you're looking for a more modern variant, the AK-12 is still undergoing its testing stages, but there is fair potential it will be adopted for use at some time in the near future. Though I discourage its use due to its lack of true production during 2012, within a few years it will probably be a perfectly acceptable answer: models are supposedly supposed to be imported in 2013 in semi-automatic form to the United States. So, I suppose you could either be a nation from 2012+ or a nation that is using an alternate history in which the AK-12 was adopted earlier. Either way, if you're using weapons from 2012 or onwards, it should be perfectly acceptable, and it is being offered in multiple calibers (5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, 7.62x39mm, 12 Gauge, and there is talk of 6.5 Grendel variants).

So, basically, what are you planning on doing with your military? Here's a list of actual "WE USE TEH AK-15 WIHT BULLETGLOCKS" models that are, well, acceptable for the listed roles in the AK family, and I've went ahead and separated them by general effective range.

Medium to Long Range/Designated Marksman Rifle
  • Romanian PSL: ten rounds, semi-automatic 7.62x54mmR
  • Yugoslavian M76: ten rounds, semi-automatic (or fully automatic if done correctly) 7.92x57mm IS (export versions of 7.62 NATO)
  • Israeli AR/ARM (Galil): twenty-five rounds, select-fire (safe, semi, full), 7.62x51mm NATO.
  • Finnish Rk 76/M76 (rifles were exported only): twenty rounds, semi-automatic, 7.62x51mm NATO.

    Medium Range
  • Russian
    • Type-I (1948 to 1949) -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-II (1949 to 1953) -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-III (1953 to 1959) -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKM -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMN -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMS -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMP -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMSP -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMLP -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMSN -- 7.62x39mm
    • AKMSNP -- 7.62x39mm
    • AK-74 -- 5.45x39mm
    • AKS-74 -- 5.45x39mm
    • AK-74M -- 5.45x39mm
    • AK-101 -- 5.56x45mm
    • AK-103 -- 7.62x39mm
  • Finnish
    • Rk 62/M62 -- 7.62x39mm
    • Rk 71/M71 -- 7.62x39mm or 5.56x45mm NATO
    • Rk 76_/M76_ -- 7.62x39mm (5.56 NATO export versions)
    • Rk 95 -- 7.62x39mm
  • Hungarian
    • AMD-63 -- 7.62x39mm
    • AMD-65 -- 7.62x39mm
    • AK-63 -- 7.62x39mm
    • AK-63F -- 7.62x39mm
    • AK-63D -- 7.62x39mm
    • AK-63MF -- 7.62x39mm
  • Israeli
    • AR/ARM (Galil) -- 5.56x45mm
  • Yugoslavian
    • M70 -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70A -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70A1 -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70B1 -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70AB2 -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70B1N -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70AB2N -- 7.62x39mm
    • M70AB3 -- 7.62x39mm
    • M90 -- 5.56x45mm
    • M90A -- 5.56x45mm
    • M21 -- 5.56x45mm
  • Polish
    • PmK (kbk) -- 7.62x39mm
    • Kbkg wz. 1960 -- 7.62x39mm
    • kbk -- 7.62x39mm
    • kbk wz. 1981 -- 5.45x39mm
    • kbk wz. 1988 -- 5.45x39mm
    • Beryl -- 5.56x45mm
  • Egyptian
    • Misr (AKM and AKMS) -- 7.62x39mm
  • Iraq
    • Tabuk DMR (semi-automatic RPK) -- 7.62x39mm
  • Chinese
    • Type-56 -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-56-I -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-56-II -- 7.62x39mm
    • QBZ-56C -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-81 -- 7.62x39mm
  • Germany
    • MPi-K -- 7.62x39mm
    • MPi-KS -- 7.62x39mm
    • MPi-KM -- 7.62x39mm
    • MPi-KMS-72 -- 7.62x39mm
    • MPi-KMS-74 -- 5.45x39mm
  • Korea
    • Type-58A -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-58B -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-68A -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-68B -- 7.62x39mm
    • Type-88 -- 7.62x39mm
  • Romania
    • PM md. 63 -- 7.62x39mm
    • PM md. 90 -- 7.62x39mm
    • PA md. 86 -- 5.45x39mm

Short-range Weapons
  • AKS-74u -- 5.45x39mm
  • AK-102 -- 5.56x45mm
  • AK-104 -- 7.62x39mm
  • AK-105 -- 5.45x39mm
  • kbk wz. 1996 "Mini-Beryl" -- 5.56x45mm
  • PM md. 65 -- 7.62x39mm
  • M85 -- 5.56x45mm
  • M92 -- 7.62x39mm
  • SAR (Galil) -- 5.56x45mm
  • SLR-107CR (forget Bulgaria's military designation) -- 7.62x39mm
  • SLR-107UR (see above) -- 7.62x39mm


Now that you've decided which model it is that you're actually going to use, it's time to decide on a caliber and an optic. What's the best caliber? Well, I'll talk in terms of the assault rifles/carbines as the longer-range weapons are really a freedom of choice type of thing. So, we're basically down to 5.45x39mm, 5.56x45mm, and 7.62x39mm. Let's discuss 5.45x39mm first, shall we? Rhetorical question.

5.45x39mm
Okay, so you've chosen the "me, too" cartridge. What can we expect? Well, the 5.45x39mm round is capable of penetrating some armored vests, but not at very long ranges at all. Let's just refer to it as standard ball FMJ, regardless of type, for simplicity here. You can make your own uber-cool loads for it later. Alright, so the 5.45x39mm round is designed with a small air cavity in the front. This makes the round rear-heavy and very unstable. Upon impacting a target, it begins to tumble almost immediately. The flesh wounds caused by this round are devastating. This is probably the most lethal round to choose for an AK if going against unarmed opponents in semi-open ground (see Afghanistan invasion). The 5.45x39mm extends the AK-74's (and derivatives) range from the standard AK's 300m to about 400m. It will get about 2.0MOA accuracy, so that means 8.0MOA at that outer limit of its range: well within the chest. This round is also very light recoiling and, with the proper muzzle brake, is therefore easily controllable. There are a few AK-74 variants utilizing a recoil-countering piston (BARS), but I did not list these variants above as they are, to my understanding, very much so specialist items. Going back to wound capabilities, please note that the 5.45x39mm round is not good for penetrating barriers.
Pros
  • Accurate (2.0MOA)
  • Longer effective range (400m)
  • Very easy to control
  • Devastating on flesh targets
Cons
  • Tumbles upon impact with obstacles (jungle warfare would be less effective)
  • Less barrier penetration

5.56x45mm NATO
Go read a book. No, seriously: there's thousands.

7.62x39mm
7.62x39mm is, in my opinion, the best round for the AK. The original M43 ammunition was lead-core FMJ through-and-through (or steel for AP). It is known for penetrating barriers and packing a good ol' .30-caliber slug in its casing. In 1967, the Yugoslavians created the M67 cartridge of 7.62x39mm. This is now the most widely used 7.62x39mm round. It features a hollowed nose cavity similar to the 5.45x39mm, but it isn't as large compared to the rest of the round. This lets it mushroom out a bit and yaw inside of flesh, but it still retains most of its barrier-penetrating capabilities. It's kind of a middle-ground cartridge, but its effective range is honestly only 300m. The recoil, while not horrible, is not preferable for sustained fully-automatic firing, but in bursts or semi-automatic fire, it should stay relatively on-target.
Pros
  • It's freaking 7.62x39mm
  • Penetrates barriers easier
  • Retains some flesh-destroying qualities
  • Most common AK round -- pretty much every single country in the world has some of it somewhere
  • Good-sized .30-caliber hole, even with no expansion
  • AK-103/AK-104 accuracy of 2.0MOA
Cons
  • More felt recoil
  • More noticeable muzzle climb
  • Pre-AK-100 series, accuracy of ~3.5MOA

Of course, there are some AKs that fire 6.8SPC, 7.62x51mm NATO, 7.92x57mm IS, 7.62x54mmR, et cetera, et cetera, but those are pretty much specialty weapons and, therefore, not truly "main military weapons" unless you are issuing battle rifle equivalents as standard-issue.

As for optics, unless you're wanting to issue a quasi-DMR in each squad (POSP or PSO is highly recommended) or perhaps an ACOG (or similar) on a Beryl/Krebs/TWI Dogleg-style receiver cover rail. As for standard infantry use, however, stick to red-dot optics or other no-magnification optics. These can be had via Russian Kobra, PK-A, PK-AS, 1P63 Obzor, anything else on this site or, if you're feeling Western and pig-doggish, you can utilize a quad-rail/gas tube rail/etc. and put a small red dot (like an AimPoint of some kind: EOTechs would be too tall) on that top rail. If it sits low enough, it should co-witness with the iron sights, giving you a back-up sighting system in the event your red dot optic is damaged/destroyed/dead/otherwise unusable.


So, yeah, you can say you use the AK-47, but unless you fall within that time frame of pre-AK production Russia, then fuck you.


Have a nice day.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:21 am

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Model 1028, Official sidearm.
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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:25 am

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Model 1028, Official sidearm.
10mm Auto

EDIT: I'm still filling out my armory... this is the only art I actually have...


I love 10mm pistols especially if they have beaver tail grips. :)
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:26 am

Chernoslavia wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Model 1028, Official sidearm.
10mm Auto

EDIT: I'm still filling out my armory... this is the only art I actually have...


I love 10mm pistols especially if they have beaver tail grips. :)

Thank you. The 1911 was a big inspiration for the frame. Although I cut the tail down to be more 1911A1-esque.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:26 am

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Postby Chernoslavia » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:29 am

Our standard issue sidearm is the 9mm Zastava CZ99, which is phasing out our old soviet Makarov PM (not PMM) pistols.

Im still gathering my entire armament.

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What would things have been like if every security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive? Or if during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat in their lairs, paling with terror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand? The Organs would quickly have suffered a shortage of officers and transport and, notwithstanding all of Stalin's thirst, the cursed machine would have ground to a halt!

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:29 am

Yay nice intro Spree!

So re posting my question...

To crazy to make main anti material rifle and heavy machine gun be in 14.5 mm? I'd their a pressing reason not to do this?
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:30 am

Spirit of Hope wrote:Yay nice intro Spree!

So re posting my question...

To crazy to make main anti material rifle and heavy machine gun be in 14.5 mm? I'd their a pressing reason not to do this?

There's no real reason not to. I believe .50 is a bit cheaper though, and that's why so many people use it. IIRC the 14.5 has a longer range and more punch.
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In seriousness:

The New Cordian Military is divided into two branches: The Expeditionary Corps, responsible for foreign conflicts, and the signifacntly larger Home Defense Corps, which serves to repel invasions and other matters on our home soil. These two forces use two different Main Weapons:

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The above is an example of the SR-95L, chambered in the powerful and lightweight 7x40mm Special Purpose Assault Cartridge, it is derived from the AK-103 and serves as the primary weapon of the Home Defense Corps.

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It's larger brother, the SR-95H, is essentially the same rifle, but chambered for the larger 7x55mm Cordian cartridge. It is used as a DMR by the Home Defense Corps.

Both rifles come with full tactical kits:

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And are generally issued in the forest camo seen on the uppermost rifle, though desert and arctic kits are also available for special ops.

The SR-95 was developed as a standard rifle for NACO forces by several European arms companies, including Castle Arms of New Corda. It's universal adoption was blocked by the Federated States of America, however, because the FSA did not wish to adopt a weapon based on Muscovite Union technology. The New Cordian Home Defense Corps, however, adopted it as a replacement for their aging ART-18A1 rifles. The Expeditionary Corps chose not to, however, as they already had an AK-based rifle, the ART-84 Badger.

The Expeditionary Corps uses the MBR-13 modular rifle system, under the designation MST-13, in various configurations.

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The People's Standing Army presently field the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 1 "Doberman" (SA-AR-1) Battle Rifle in its Mod 3 variant. A 7.62mm Samozniy (shortened, de-rimmed 7.62x54mmR) select-fire bullpup battle rifle built with the long-stroke pattern gas mechanism, and a range of barrel lengths for multiple purposes. A 14.5" Carbine for the Carbine SuperShort variant, a 21" Standard Rifle variant and a 30" HBAR support weapon, suitable for use as either a Medium Automatic Rifle (as officially designated), or equally well as a DMR.
Recently, the PSA made the switch to the Mod 3-280 programme, rechambering to .280 Samozniy, a locally produced series based off the .280 British cartridge.
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All three 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-1/Mod 3 platform
The magazines are of a 'casket' type, and a typically issued in 36-round 'standard' magazines and 72-round 'support' magazines. Due to the significant size of the 'support' magazine combined with the bullpup layout, work is currently ongoing into both a 'low-capacity' 56-round magazine and also a 72-round snail drum magazine.
The Samozniy Department of Law & Order's Combat Brigade utilises a specialised variant of the AR-1 platform (third weapon from top in main image):
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The top rifle is equipped with a 24" precision bull barrel, RIS handguard to mount a stabilising bipod, adapted top cover, modified semi-automatic-only selector switch and a 1.5x-6x zoom scope. The second rifle is intended for the Civilian market. It features the same adapted top cover and semi-automatic-only selector switch as the Police model, but is equipped with only an 18" bull barrel and no provision to mount a bipod, featuring a non-removable non-railed variant of the standard handguard. Its depicted optic is only of 1x-4x zoom magnification. Both rifles are equipped with conventional 20-round magazines.
The fourth weapon down is a 12ga shotgun conversion of the system, by boring out the 25.5" HBAR from the MAR and modifying one of the SR-3's twenty-round magazines to hold five 12ga shotshells. This conversion is actually made to the Mod 3-E export variant (7.62x51mm NATO), as the OA/length dimensions of the shell are identical to that of 7.62x51

PSA forces also utilise the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 2 "Pitbull" (SA-AR-2) Assault Carbine in its Mod 3 variant. Chambered for the indigenous 5.45x45mm Samozniy intermediate cartridge, it combines adequate short-medium range lethality against lightly-armoured infantry. The round provides a portmanteau of the reliable feeding and ubiquitous nature of the 5.56x45mm NATO cartridge's case with the Russian 5.45x39mm bullet for various ballistic improvements that do not require a jump to a whole new cartridge, as other ballistically high-performing rounds such as the 6.5 Grendel would. The 5.45x45 is capable of feeding directly from 5.56 magazines.
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All five 'standard' variants of the SA-AR-2/Mod 3 platform
As shown above are the 10", 12.5" and 14.5" 'Carbine' variant rifles with direct impingement gas operation and standard receivers - the lower two rifles are a 16" 'Rifle' and an 18" HBAR/Bull Barrel capable of light support work. Both the 16" and 18" barrels use a short-stroke piston with adapted, strengthened receiver bodies.
In Samozniy PSA service, only the 10" Carbine and 18" HBAR variants are used. Spetsnaz forces occasionally utilise the 16" Rifle, but the 12.5", 14.5" DI and 16" short-stroke barrel options are intended primarily for the export market. All three 'Carbine' length barrels can be upgraded to short-stroke operation, requiring specially-shortened gas pistons and being mounted on the strengthened receivers.

Before the recent re-introduction of the Doberman battle rifle, PSA forces used the Samozniy Arms Assault Rifle Type 3 "Rottweiler" (SA-AR-3) Modular Combat Rifle family in the Mod 2 variant. Again adopting the bullpup format and the 5.45x45mm Samozniy cartridge, the weapon was intended to be a part of the "Soldat Budushchego" (Future Soldier) programme as part of a re-branding of the PSA forces. The Mod 2 variant revisits the slim, straight, sleek appearance of the Mod 0 original-issue variant, departing from the over-engineered bulk of the Mod 1.
As with all Samozniy Military Industries rifles, the weapon features a number of variants - an 8" barrel 'PDW' without a handguard, a 12.5" Carbine with handguard, 16" standard rifle and 20" HBAR/Support.
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16" and 12.5" variant barrels, with standard and carbine stocks respectively
The 'dual-surface' fore-end was designed to maximise control over the weapon, whether precision shooting at range or automatic fire in CQB. The standard handguard is intended for conventional use - medium-range single or burst firing, while the foregrip/trigger guard module is intended to maximise control with automatic fire, by providing a tight, close grip between the hands, aiming to reduce muzzle climb.
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Postby The Allied States of North America » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:54 am

We generally use the M-designation of weapons as they are american made, cheap and usually of good quality. Some units use foreign made weapons such as the Scar. We also have been debating whether or not to acquire Castle Arms Products, But we cant find the thread 8)
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Postby Nua Corda » Mon Aug 06, 2012 11:58 am

The Allied States of North America wrote:We generally use the M-designation of weapons as they are american made, cheap and usually of good quality. Some units use foreign made weapons such as the Scar. We also have been debating whether or not to acquire Castle Arms Products, But we cant find the thread 8)


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Postby Bajireyn » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:02 pm

Image


CARB modular weapons system - AR configuration.

Type: Modular Assault Rifle
Place of origin: Bajireyn

Service history

In service: 2590–Present
Used by: The Marine Corps,Navy,SPECWARCOM and ONI.

Production history

Designer: Peter Matanza
Designed: 2586-2589
Manufacturer: Mantanza Arms Corp
Number built: 10 million+

Specifications

Weight: 10 kilograms
Length: 400 mm
Barrel length: 315 mm
Cartridge: 6.2 CTA or 6.2 CTF (Caseless Telescoping Flechette)
Action: short-stroke piston
Rate of fire: 700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 750 m/s
Effective range: 1250 meters
Feed system: 80 or 100 round box magazines
Sights: No built in iron sights,4 M2305 rails for the mounting of sights and other accessories.
Price: 7,000 Cr.
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Postby Indeos » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:08 pm

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:14 pm

FYI to Doberman users - that image is going to change later to the new version with the shotgun and SR-3 contained.
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Postby Indeos » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:15 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:FYI to Doberman users - that image is going to change later to the new version with the shotgun and SR-3 contained.


When is "later"?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:17 pm

When I'm not playing BF3 and can be arsed to go to imageshack.
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Postby Indeos » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:19 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:When I'm not playing BF3 and can be arsed to go to imageshack.


Ah. Just try to get it up by tonight so I can link to the proper image. I'll be too lazy to edit my post just to change a link.
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Postby The Reliquary » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:20 pm

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Postby Mega-City » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:20 pm

Wait I'm confused, why are there two threads?
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Postby Immoren » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:21 pm

Mega-City wrote:Wait I'm confused, why are there two threads?

Because old one is going to be closed soon.
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Postby Indeos » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:22 pm

Mega-City wrote:Wait I'm confused, why are there two threads?


Threads get locked at 500 pages; we're almost there in Mk. V.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon Aug 06, 2012 12:23 pm

The MkV is going to be locked at page 500 due to server load.
This is the replacement, but Spree has... matters... to attend to.
And he was the elected new-thread-poster.

It's an NS Milthread tradition that someone is selected to host the new version of the thread.
We just got a bit ahead of ourselves and this is already beginning to take off.
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