What is your leader's opinion on homosexuality?

[Pravengria]

There can never be fully separated, all laws originated from some form of religion and morality, or else anything would go.

Slavery was very dominant in religion, yet we've outlawed it today.

Having morals and being religious aren't the same.
What your implying is that every atheist doesn't give a $#@!

>_>



Anyways... Agreed, morality based on the ideas of Humanism for example is not the same as being religious. I personally, could care less if the Vatican was wiped off the planet in a nuclear strike. I'd be upset human life was lost, but hey, it'd get rid of something I find poisonous. But I feel government and educational entities need to be secular, you can worship whoever you like, but as long as you aren't forcing it down people's throats. Because then we'll have a problem. Someone may have god to protect them from damnation, but I know he won't protect them from me slugging them. Point being, My government is disgusted by your nation Norden. But if I was irrational I'd have no issue invading, however I don't feel like wasting the money nor resources on land because it'd probably involve purging your government and executing them. Plus the fact of soldiers coming back to my country in body bags, and I hate human life being lost.

[Old Beringia]

The God-Empress sees it as a mental sickness yet its sufferers do not deserve a cure. In the Bible authored by the God-Empress it is considered a cardinal sin.

[Mexican Liberation]

The nation's leader proudly waves this flag on top of the capital building,despite him being heterosexual and parliament being predominantly heterosexual

[Liriena]

I would say that there is nothing more selfish and inhumane than treating you fellow citizens like lesser beings just because the orientation of their love is unusual. Such a hateful attitude has no valid excuse, and trying to justify your egotistic beliefs by name-dropping a deity is nothing short of disgusting. I find it hard to believe that the spiritual entities that rule our Universe would want you to meddle in other people's loves. In fact, I doubt such entities even care about such matters.
Love is a powerful force, one that goes beyond reason and, sometimes, it even surpasses the lines of gender and outer beauty. And such a wonderful gift should not be frowned upon when it is genuine.

-Archduke Andrej III of House Calesti Pejic

[Abatael]

Slavery was very dominant in religion, yet we've outlawed it today.

Having morals and being religious aren't the same.
What your implying is that every atheist doesn't give a $#@!

>_>



Anyways... Agreed, morality based on the ideas of Humanism for example is not the same as being religious. I personally, could care less if the Vatican was wiped off the planet in a nuclear strike. I'd be upset human life was lost, but hey, it'd get rid of something I find poisonous. But I feel government and educational entities need to be secular, you can worship whoever you like, but as long as you aren't forcing it down people's throats. Because then we'll have a problem. Someone may have god to protect them from damnation, but I know he won't protect them from me slugging them. Point being, My government is disgusted by your nation Norden. But if I was irrational I'd have no issue invading, however I don't feel like wasting the money nor resources on land because it'd probably involve purging your government and executing them. Plus the fact of soldiers coming back to my country in body bags, and I hate human life being lost.

What he's trying to say is that irreligious morals (id est, "Humanism") derived its morals from religious morals, and that religious morals were given to us by God.

[Utopic Germany]

Every councillor from all eight Union's Councils (= our leaders) agree on the fact, that homosexuality and all its nuances are completely natural and ethically correct.

[Pravengria]

>_>



Anyways... Agreed, morality based on the ideas of Humanism for example is not the same as being religious. I personally, could care less if the Vatican was wiped off the planet in a nuclear strike. I'd be upset human life was lost, but hey, it'd get rid of something I find poisonous. But I feel government and educational entities need to be secular, you can worship whoever you like, but as long as you aren't forcing it down people's throats. Because then we'll have a problem. Someone may have god to protect them from damnation, but I know he won't protect them from me slugging them. Point being, My government is disgusted by your nation Norden. But if I was irrational I'd have no issue invading, however I don't feel like wasting the money nor resources on land because it'd probably involve purging your government and executing them. Plus the fact of soldiers coming back to my country in body bags, and I hate human life being lost.

What he's trying to say is that irreligious morals (id est, "Humanism") derived its morals from religious morals, and that religious morals were given to us by God.

I know, however what God? Hard to argue with someone who doesn't believe lol.


Anyways, I made my point clear. Though partaking in an unfortunate /derail. My government's full stance.


The Pravene Government would like the nation of Nordengrune to know it is absolutely disgusted by it's policies and finds the government to be a poor excuse of any type of leading body for representation of it's people. As such, the first moment however the Commonwealth hears of discrimination or any form of attempted genocide against Homosexuals or other people's residing within the nation will result in a good sized coalition of allies of the Pravene Commonwealth, removal of your government. And public execution of it's leaders. As a result, a new democratic, secular, and representative government would be put into place. That is all, this is just a friendly warning.

[Umbra Ac Silentium]

The majority of the councilpersons in office are either bisexual, gay, or some other variant of such.
Because we do not promote a culture of sexual shame, it is safe to assume they have healthy and positive views of such.

[Abatael]

What he's trying to say is that irreligious morals (id est, "Humanism") derived its morals from religious morals, and that religious morals were given to us by God.

I know, however what God? Hard to argue with someone who doesn't believe lol

Wait, I am sorry. I don't really understand. Are you trying to argue with me on the basis that I do not "believe," or am I simply misunderstanding your post?

[Silbraltan]

Y'all really think eating pork is okay? Read Leviticus 11:7–8.
Y'all really think eating shellfish is okay? Read Leviticus 11:9–12.
Y'all really think eating fat is okay? Read Leviticus 3:17.
Y'all really think that shaving your beard is okay? Read Leviticus 19:27.

Leviticus contains justification for slavery (25:44–46) and the death penalty for being a wizard (20:27).

Remind me again why any stock should be taken in this?

Read Romans chapter 14

Your counter-argument is that another passage contradicts one you've just cited? Destroying the base of your own position for the sake of making it "stronger?"

"All food is clean, but it is wrong for a person to eat anything that causes someone else to stumble." -- gonna be honest here, I have no idea what the second part is trying to say, literally or metaphorically. But apparently all of the food restrictions in Leviticus are out because all food is clean? The fact that there are contradictions is not the best way of convincing me that a particular book is to be looked to for moral matters.

"You, then, why do you judge your brother or sister? Or why do you treat them with contempt? For we will all stand before God’s judgment seat. [...] Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in the way of a brother or sister. I am convinced, being fully persuaded in the Lord Jesus, that nothing is unclean in itself. [...] Let us therefore make every effort to do what leads to peace and to mutual edification."

So... nothing is unclean in itself? So homosexuality is okay, right? What?

Look, I probably missed the point of what you were going for there, please enlighten me. Unless you're trying to go for some, "who are you to judge me as a servant of my master" quasi-moral relativism position, in which case the hypocrisy knows no bounds.

Morality is secular. You can be moral and nonreligious. Thus, you can be fully secular and still moral.

Yes, but where do you think those morals come from, without religion there would be anarchy because Atheists would have no where to get morals from/

There are plenty of legitimate systems of morality that don't involve the concept of religion. Reason can arrive at morality by completely bypassing the concept of God. Do a little research.

[Pravengria]

I know, however what God? Hard to argue with someone who doesn't believe lol

Wait, I am sorry. I don't really understand. Are you trying to argue with me on the basis that I do not "believe," or am I simply misunderstanding your post?

Not arguing with you, talking of him arguing with me.

[Liriena]

Morality is secular. You can be moral and nonreligious. Thus, you can be fully secular and still moral.

Yes, but where do you think those morals come from, without religion there would be anarchy because Atheists would have no where to get morals from/

[Falsea]

He despises it, as all Falseans do. Homosexuals in Falsea are encouraged to travel to foreign countries, and reside there forever, to avoid....."complications".

[Katganistan]

Homosexuality, heterosexuality, bisexuality, asexuality, autosexuality -- as long as it does not involve persons who cannot legally consent or animals, go for it! Sexuality is good!

[Zottistan]

President Kuuntravitch is homosexual.

[Abatael]

Maybe, everyone, this "argument" should go somewhere that is not in-character, and, preferably, out of this thread?

[Vettrera]

Wait, I am sorry. I don't really understand. Are you trying to argue with me on the basis that I do not "believe," or am I simply misunderstanding your post?

Not arguing with you, talking of him arguing with me.

me him, or Nordegrund him?

[Alyekra]

Maybe, everyone, this "argument" should go somewhere that is not in-character, and, preferably, out of this thread?

This would probably be advisable.

[The Rich Port]

Maria: I can dig it

Apple Cider: I don't think that was the question.

Swami Ansuya: I'm not one to regulate what my followers can and can't do, nor am I to judge.

Teodora: ... You could at least try to discourage-

Usagi: I drunkenly kissed all of the Sailor Scouts, and... Well, none of us talked about it the next day.

[Pravengria]

Not arguing with you, talking of him arguing with me.

me him, or Nordegrund him?

Nord, and agreed Abaetal, let's stop the /derail lol

[Winslavia]

He (Both President Sebatchen Wojciech Dziedic, And Prime Minister Anders Nylundson) views it as natural, and it is well legal under our ever-so amazing constitution . It is proclaimed by both that who-ever views-it as un-natural should get the head-out-of-their-ass and open-up a Science-book /////.

[Xoriet]

"There is no good reason why we should strip the rights to marriage or to mock their relationships from a person because of his or her sexual orientation. That would violate the Doctrine of Equality. I personally am aware that I cannot see through their eyes, but that is not a reason to discriminate against them. Our country rejected religion when that concept was first created. We instead created Order and Equality, the Doctrines which govern our lives. I had been certain that we were above petty bias and judgment of others. To break the Doctrines and threaten the rights of our brothers and sisters because of personal preference would be a high crime two times over. Do feel free to discriminate, but be aware that the consequences will be punishable by exile or imprisonment, and your trial will be very public."
- Kath Zandion Beralis on homosexuality and same-sex marriage

[Ceannairceach]

High Triumvir Quinton Craddieth believes that homosexuals have every right and priviledge that the non-homosexuals have, regardless of moral, natural or logical objections.

[Helcasia]

The Grand Imperator has no strong opinion on this subject.

High Triumvir Quinton Craddieth believes that homosexuals have every right and priviledge that the non-homosexuals have, regardless of moral, natural or logical objections.

...There are logical objections?

[Giovenith]

As someone is both an atheist with no care over what a supposed "God" thinks is "immoral," AND someone with an elder sister who is herself a happily married lesbian, the Queen has absolutely no quarrels with any sexuality of any kind.