Legalization of Homosexuality in Britennene.

[Patroclus]

It is so. Being able to allow other people not to follow the word of your god, or to follow their own rules, is a vital part of believing in the word of the Almighty One (though, allowing homosexuality is a vital part of the Patroclite Church). And it is too in Christianity. Is it not the Bible that commands you and other followers of the Christian faith to love thy neigbour?

"Love thy neighbor, hate thy sin" is a popular quote formed from the King James bible- the literal word-for-word translation of the ancient text. "Love is discipline" and "The basic human problem is sin" is also popular. These form the basis for our justification against homosexuality, but remind us not to kill those who harbor such sin. We must only kill the darkness inside of them. The most effective way? Assimilation.

I am utterly disgusted by the way you are talking about fellow humans. Fellow children of the earth, I might add. Homosexuality isn't dark, it merely means loving a different sex. I, proud Emperor of Patroclus, can know, because I am homosexual myself. For many years people have killed in the name of the Lord, while the Lord never commanded them to. The Lord is a just Lord. The Lord shall never command his creations to kill. Neither the body, nor the mind.

[Greater Oronti]

A Press Release by the Amethyst Throne of Oronti

His Grace King James of House Tanasi
King of the Oronti, Lord of Lys, Fidei Defensor, Blessed of the Nine,Devoted of the Drowned God, and Lord Protector of the Nine Realms
Oronti Palace, Owassa, Realm of Lys, Greater Oronti
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King@oronti.go.or

To: The Britennenean Workers' Committee and a Candid World
In Re: The Recent Legalization of Homosexuality in Britennene

The Amethyst Throne and the Oronti people reflect with great pride and satisfaction that the State of Britennene has chosen to end its prohibition on homosexual activity within the borders of its nation. Freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression, and certain intimate conduct. The instant case involves liberty of the person both in its spatial and more transcendent dimensions. All persons are entitled to respect for their private lives. The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime. It suffices for me to acknowledge that adults may choose to enter upon a relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons. When sexuality finds overt expression in intimate conduct with another person, the conduct can be but one element in a personal bond that is more enduring. Liberty requires that homosexual persons retain the right to make this choice.

Thus, I welcome the decision of Britennene on its road to enlightenment, but my words should not be taken to go further than they do. Make no mistake, the Amethyst Throne still sees Britennene as a potential enemy state. We continue to feel for the plight of its people, shackled under the failed and oppressive ideologies of its various Socialist and Communist parties. While that nation has taken one step at dismantling the pervasive government control characteristic of such a state, its power structure and core doctrine appear to me to remain unchanged. Socialism is the doctrine that man has no right to exist for his own sake, that his life and his work do not belong to him, but belong to society, that the only justification of his existence is his service to society, and that society may dispose of him in any way it pleases for the sake of whatever it deems to be its own tribal, collective good. There is no difference between the principles, policies and practical results of socialism—and those of any historical or prehistorical tyranny. Socialism is merely democratic absolute monarchy—that is, a system of absolutism without a fixed head, open to seizure of power by all corners, by any ruthless climber, opportunist, adventurer, demagogue or thug.

When we consider socialism,we cannot fool ourselves about its nature. We must remember that there is no such dichotomy as “human rights” versus “property rights.” No human rights can exist without property rights. Since material goods are produced by the mind and effort of individual men, and are needed to sustain their lives, if the producer does not own the result of his effort, he does not own his life. To deny property rights means to turn men into property owned by the state. Whoever claims the “right” to “redistribute” the wealth produced by others is claiming the “right” to treat human beings as chattel. With this in mind, the Amethyst Throne strongly urges Britennene to continue forward towards a moral and free system of government.

Nevertheless, I am also deeply concerned about the rhetoric of some international actors who believe they have a moral right to not only condemn the decision of a fellow, co-equal sovereign, but also to initiate the use of force to impose their own twisted and warped view of justice. Let the people make no mistake, this is still tyranny, whether justified by the vile principles of socialism, or the equally immoral principles of theocratic government. A rational mind does not work under compulsion; it does not subordinate its grasp of reality to anyone’s orders, directives, or controls; it does not sacrifice its knowledge, its view of the truth, to anyone’s opinions, threats, wishes, plans, or “welfare.” Such a mind may be hampered by others, it may be silenced, proscribed, imprisoned, or destroyed; it cannot be forced; a gun is not an argument.

Even if we were to accept their position as "the good," an attempt to achieve the good by physical force is a monstrous contradiction which negates morality at its root by destroying man’s capacity to recognize the good, i.e., his capacity to value. Force invalidates and paralyzes a man’s judgment, demanding that he act against it, thus rendering him morally impotent. A value which one is forced to accept at the price of surrendering one’s mind, is not a value to anyone; the forcibly mindless can neither judge nor choose nor value. An attempt to achieve the good by force is like an attempt to provide a man with a picture gallery at the price of cutting out his eyes. Values cannot exist (cannot be valued) outside the full context of a man’s life, needs, goals, and knowledge. One does not and cannot “negotiate” with brutality, nor give it the benefit of the doubt. The moral absolute should be: if and when, in any dispute, one side initiates the use of physical force, that side is wrong—and no consideration or discussion of the issues is necessary or appropriate.

Therefore, despite our differences, and while we condemn the government of Britennene in the strongest terms possible, I also declare that no trade shall be conducting with any State that presumes to threaten the use of physical force again her and that the aid of the Oronti will be made available to her, should the Council Privy deem it necessary to maintain the order of peaceful coexistence among our co-equal sovereigns.

Thank you, and may the blessings of the Warrior and the Smith be bestowed upon the Britennenean people.

In my own hand on behalf of the Nine Realms of Oronti
His Grace King James of House Tanasi,King of the Oronti, Lord of Lys, Fidei Defensor, Blessed of the Nine,Devoted of the Drowned God, and Lord Protector of the Nine Realms

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[Vettrera]

OOC: Can any of you "Homophonbes" Tell me how hating gays is different from hating racial groups?

[Patroclus]

OOC: Can any of you "Homophonbes" Tell me how hating gays is different from hating racial groups?

OOCly, it isn't, but that still doesn't make it racist. Just for your information.

Though, I'm sincerely not trying to turn this into an NSG debate

EDIT: I swear someone said banning homosexuality was racist...

[The Transvaal Republic]

What's dark about being gay?! It's just an opinion, what right does anyone else have to dictate someone's sexual orientation

[Union of Oceanic Socialist States]

To: Government of Britennene
From: Georgy Lukov, Ministry of Social Equality of the Union of Oceanic Socialist States

On the behalf of the entire Government of the Union of Oceanic Socialist States, I congratulate the democratic Government of Britennene for their decision to grant the proper civil rights to the homosexual citizens on the ambit of the Democratization of your nation. We too struggle to achieve true Democracy, and thereby we have previously legalized same-sex marriages at the same time that attempting to suppress any kind of discrimination against the homosexual population.

Likewise, he support your decision to value the civil rights over religious dogmas and suggest that, to achieve a fair nation, religion be separated from the political action. Note that we do not recommend religion to be outlawed, but rather to be severed from the political activity of Britennene, because otherwise the fair leading of your nation may be endangered by self-destructive beliefs.

Best regards,
Georgy Lukov, Ministry of Social Equality

[Vettrera]

OOC: Can any of you "Homophonbes" Tell me how hating gays is different from hating racial groups?

OOCly, it isn't, but that still doesn't make it racist. Just for your information.

Though, I'm sincerely not trying to turn this into an NSG debate

OOC: But board jacking is fun (may the mods have mercy on me. )

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Vettrera has closed relations with all nations who have had hostile, and possibly premature reactions to the way Britennene has decided to go about legalizing gay marriage, those nations will also be denied from Embassy inclusion. Vettrera will furthermore have no involvement in the issue, but will sa the following: "We are all people of the Lord. We have all been mistreated at one point in our lives. While we are of this earth we must be together as equals, and leave it up to God to decide what is deemed fit for the kingdom of heaven"

[Cruciland]

"Love thy neighbor, hate thy sin" is a popular quote formed from the King James bible- the literal word-for-word translation of the ancient text. "Love is discipline" and "The basic human problem is sin" is also popular. These form the basis for our justification against homosexuality, but remind us not to kill those who harbor such sin. We must only kill the darkness inside of them. The most effective way? Assimilation.

I am utterly disgusted by the way you are talking about fellow humans. Fellow children of the earth, I might add. Homosexuality isn't dark, it merely means loving a different sex. I, proud Emperor of Patroclus, can know, because I am homosexual myself. For many years people have killed in the name of the Lord, while the Lord never commanded them to. The Lord is a just Lord. The Lord shall never command his creations to kill. Neither the body, nor the mind.

We see no need to waste our time, apparently. We will do as we are commanded to. Good day.

[The Transvaal Republic]

OOCly, it isn't, but that still doesn't make it racist. Just for your information.

Though, I'm sincerely not trying to turn this into an NSG debate

OOC: But board jacking is fun (may the mods have mercy on me. )

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Vettrera has closed relations with all nations who have had hostile, and possibly premature reactions to the way Britennene has decided to go about legalizing gay marriage, those nations will also be denied from Embassy inclusion. Vettrera will furthermore have no involvement in the issue, but will sa the following: "We are all people of the Lord. We have all been mistreated at one point in our lives. While we are of this earth we must be together as equals, and leave it up to God to decide what is deemed fit for the kingdom of heaven"

We'll join you on that

[Patroclus]

I am utterly disgusted by the way you are talking about fellow humans. Fellow children of the earth, I might add. Homosexuality isn't dark, it merely means loving a different sex. I, proud Emperor of Patroclus, can know, because I am homosexual myself. For many years people have killed in the name of the Lord, while the Lord never commanded them to. The Lord is a just Lord. The Lord shall never command his creations to kill. Neither the body, nor the mind.

We see no need to waste our time, apparently. We will do as we are commanded to. Good day.

A very childish move, and therefore completely expected. I bid you farewell, and may the Almighty One have mercy on your soul.

[Kananistan]

The Supreme Council for the Restoration of Kananistan was deeply appalled to learn of the tremendous support for Britennene's regrettable decision to legalize and encourage immoral sexual intercourse. His Excellency, Mullah Abdul Amin, Chairman of the Supreme Council for the Restoration of Kananistan quotes Surah 29, Verses 28 and 29 of the Qur'an, "And Lot! Remember when he said unto his folk: Lo! ye commit lewdness such as no creature did before you. For come ye not in unto males, and cut ye not the road for travellers, and commit ye not abomination in your meetings ? But the answer of his folk was only that they said: Bring Allah's doom upon us if thou art a truthteller!"

[Aleckandor]

"Good to see you caught on with the program, Britennene."

- Homosexual Wellbonelandic Immigrant-To-Aleckandor

[Astholm]

Astholm's LGBT groups welcome this news and invite the LGBT tourists to visit; however, one important notice, same-sex marriages are not recognized in Astholm, they are invalid there.

[Britennene]

Then do not be a socialist nation. Rise up, and ascend with us. You don't have to destroy yourself to appeal to the destroyed. You hate oppression, yet you oppress your country's chances of ever becoming a true utopia. Mark our experience and remembrance of history- your path is too dark.

We will continue supporting Socialism. Capitalism has failed us too many times for us to walk down that road again. We will continue striving for a classless, stateless and resource-based economy. As you may well know, a resource-based economy cannot fall, due to the complete lack of currency. We have large amounts of needed resources in Britennene, so the international market does not interest us. Our people are happy and live long. Thus, we are happy. Our path can we whatever colour you say it is, but to us, it is the road to success.

[Britennene]

"People of Britennene! The Workers' Committee has decided to accept homosexuality into our society, and has allowed homosexuals to get married in a church if wanted. Civil unions will be free to any and all homosexuals from this day. We, the Revolutionary Communist Party apologise for the years of murders and torture of the LGBT society of Britennene, and we accept all of you as beloved members of this society! This legalization was supported by 1700 seats against only 350 seats, which means Vetoing it is impossible in near future. So, homosexuals of Britennene, rejoice, for your days of liberation have started! I will be hosting the next PRIDE parade, and the government shall fund it. Gay bars will be opened in all major cities of Britennene. The Anti-Gay magazine "Norms of Britennene" will be abolished. Homosexuals will also be allowed to adopt and have children, and to donate blood. All restrictions because of your sexuality will disappear! And to the religious populace, will you love your neighbour? God loves us all. Each and every one of us. Remember that."

-Vladili Medveests', Prime Chairman and leader of the Revolutionary Communist Party's leader's speech at the Committee Street of Allingrad.

[Utopic Germany]

Due to the homophobia showed in this thread and tried proselytization of some... fundamentalist... countries, we, the people of the Council Union of Utopic Germany got into rage about these socially and morally backward nations. Therefore, we guarantee our full economical and military support for our comrades in Britennene. Any aggression against them will be treated like aggression against us.

[Britennene]

Due to the homophobia showed in this thread and tried proselytization of some... fundamentalist... countries, we, the people of the Council Union of Utopic Germany got into rage about these socially and morally backward nations. Therefore, we guarantee our full economical and military support for our comrades in Britennene. Any aggression against them will be treated like aggression against us.

You are true comrades. These countries threat us with wars simply because we do not wish to be the black sheep of Socialism any more. The Workers' Committee and Vladili Medveests thanks you all.
Vladili Medveests sends a personal Red Salute to Utopic Germany. All military and economical support is honoured, and possibly needed if these reactionaries take this to the level of a war.

[TurtleShroom]

The Norsefire government expresses its utter disappointment towards the law legalizing homosexual acts.

We believe that homosexuality is a detestable, immoral sin that destroys families and harms society. As such, we urge the Britennenian government to reconsider this situation and once again criminalize homosexuality, as well as same-sex marriage.

^ This.

TurtleShroom can say nothing more. We'd also like to note that a perverted worker isn't productive, and more importantly, all of these families that can't reproduce will stop pumping out special new generations of proletariat. It'll be the imminent start of a population decline, and we'll sit back and say "I told you so!!".

[Urmanian]

^ This.

TurtleShroom can say nothing more. We'd also like to note that a perverted worker isn't productive, and more importantly, all of these families that can't reproduce will stop pumping out special new generations of proletariat. It'll be the imminent start of a population decline, and we'll sit back and say "I told you so!!".

A homosexual worker is as productive as any heterosexual worker of the same physical and mental capability, and said homosexuals probably wouldn't reproduce when unable to marry eachother anyways, so in demographic perspective it changes virtually nothing.

That said, the G.P.H. applauds Britennene's enlightened choice, a step on the road to a truly free nation and people and hopefully to casting off the shackles of collectivist terror

[Albion Rhodesia]

From the Desk of the Foreign Secretary:

The issue of of the Government of Britennene's continued support of immoral and degenerate policies, gives us no choice but to refer the issue of a military blockade to a parliamentary vote. The Prime Minister's Office, further warns Britennene's Government that if they do not reverse this absurd policy and return to the fold of normal nations, the Dominion of Albion Rhodesia will authorize military action against what we will view as a rogue state.

-Foreign Secretary, Foreign Office, Dominion of Albion Rhodesia

[Cruciland]

Then do not be a socialist nation. Rise up, and ascend with us. You don't have to destroy yourself to appeal to the destroyed. You hate oppression, yet you oppress your country's chances of ever becoming a true utopia. Mark our experience and remembrance of history- your path is too dark.

We will continue supporting Socialism. Capitalism has failed us too many times for us to walk down that road again. We will continue striving for a classless, stateless and resource-based economy. As you may well know, a resource-based economy cannot fall, due to the complete lack of currency. We have large amounts of needed resources in Britennene, so the international market does not interest us. Our people are happy and live long. Thus, we are happy. Our path can we whatever colour you say it is, but to us, it is the road to success.

It appears that we have had vastly different experiences with the right-wing, you and us... Perhaps we can analyze what went wrong and fix these errors? For 80% of capitalist nations, it has resulted in frightening economies and powerful industries, which can provide an incredible store of resources. Obviously, there must've been a disaster or political flaw that has given capitalism its bad reputation. We will strive to re-forge your failures into success beyond what you seek, but cannot do this peacefully without consent. Let us open your eyes...

[Britennene]

We will continue supporting Socialism. Capitalism has failed us too many times for us to walk down that road again. We will continue striving for a classless, stateless and resource-based economy. As you may well know, a resource-based economy cannot fall, due to the complete lack of currency. We have large amounts of needed resources in Britennene, so the international market does not interest us. Our people are happy and live long. Thus, we are happy. Our path can we whatever colour you say it is, but to us, it is the road to success.

It appears that we have had vastly different experiences with the right-wing, you and us... Perhaps we can analyze what went wrong and fix these errors? For 80% of capitalist nations, it has resulted in frightening economies and powerful industries, which can provide an incredible store of resources. Obviously, there must've been a disaster or political flaw that has given capitalism its bad reputation. We will strive to re-forge your failures into success beyond what you seek, but cannot do this peacefully without consent. Let us open your eyes...

No. We have the same experience. Britennene was successful, until it just suddenly clicked and failed. The unemployment rose to 40%, people died of hunger, Britennene was on the edge of anarchy. The Communists saved Britennene from that destruction, and fixed everything for us. Our life expectancy doubled, our literacy rose dramatically high. Our workplace happiness has never been this high. Frightening economies mean nothing when the people here and elsewhere are oppressed because of it. Capitalism may succeed economically, but it is a social disaster. Always has been. There was no political flaw, it simply failed our economy. Took our jobs. Nobody will touch Britennene but the Workers' Committee. No right-wing party has been elected into it for a decade, and will not be elected. Our eyes opened when our workers died of hunger in factories.

[Utopic Germany]

OOC: This situation really is escalting. I am well versed with escalating situations: This is one.
Guys... do you really want to start a war because a single nation legalizes the equality of LGBTs? I mean, that does not even affect your nations!

[Britennene]

OOC: This situation really is escalting. I am well versed with escalating situations: This is one.
Guys... do you really want to start a war because a single nation legalizes the equality of LGBTs? I mean, that does not even affect your nations!

OOC: I know I'm not attacking right-wing countries simply because they are right-wing.

[Kananistan]

بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم
In the Name of God, the Beneficent, the Merciful

I, Mullah Abdul Amin, Chairman of the Supreme Council for the Restoration of Kananistan, Chairman of the Democratic Liberation Front, and Supreme Commander of the Kanan Defense Forces refuse to sit idly by any longer while homosexuals in Britennene are encouraged to practice such despicable lewdness! With the authority vested in me by the people of the Emirate of Kananistan, I hereby issue a fatwa against the government of Britennene, and encourage the heads of state of the world to join me in imposing a total embargo on Britennene until their decision to permit homosexual lewdness is reversed!