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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:20 am

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Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?


Could use a slightly higher fire rate, since in my opinion if you're using 5.56 you're going to need more shots on target to ensure that at least one of the bullets fragments. Beyond that I think it's pretty alright, though if I'm going to use 5.56 I don't think there's any gun I'd rather use than the Steyr AUG.

It has a long barrel, it has a much higher of its bullets fragmenting as a result. Increasing the rate of fire will only make it less accurate in full auto.
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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 10:26 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?


Could use a slightly higher fire rate, since in my opinion if you're using 5.56 you're going to need more shots on target to ensure that at least one of the bullets fragments. Beyond that I think it's pretty alright, though if I'm going to use 5.56 I don't think there's any gun I'd rather use than the Steyr AUG.

It has a long barrel, it has a much higher of its bullets fragmenting as a result. Increasing the rate of fire will only make it less accurate in full auto.


They Steyr AUG has a longer barrel, meaning even more fragmentation.

5.56 doesn't produce too much recoil, so I don't think it would be that much of a problem.
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Postby Crookfur » Sat Feb 20, 2010 1:33 pm

Satirius wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?

Looks like a SIG 552 lumped with an FAL. Looks like a functional, aesthetically pleasing weapon. I like the angle of the handguard.


You are suprisingly close to the truth on that as it the FNC and by extention the AK-5 is really a coming together of the FAL and an Kalashnikov inspired action (which the sig 550 also uses).

The AK-5 is a very interesting weapon as it has one of the nicest and best researched RIS implementations on its AK-5C model and it is serving as the base and test bed for the next gen NATO rail research.

Nolstafvia: As I said I was working on the basis that te roudns were more or less conventional. Although to be honest I doubt that a MT liquid propellant would give you significantly more energy density than current solid types unless you were to get particularly exotic and complicated with a binary propellant system.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:07 pm

Altamirus wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?


Could use a slightly higher fire rate, since in my opinion if you're using 5.56 you're going to need more shots on target to ensure that at least one of the bullets fragments. Beyond that I think it's pretty alright, though if I'm going to use 5.56 I don't think there's any gun I'd rather use than the Steyr AUG.

It has a long barrel, it has a much higher of its bullets fragmenting as a result. Increasing the rate of fire will only make it less accurate in full auto.

^ Round used:5.56x45 NATO
Rate of fire:680-750 rounds min
Effective:500 meters
Versility: Can be switched for left of right hand use. Can be converted to a carbine,LMG,SMG,subcarbine.
Overall weight:8.25 lbs.
Overall length:33 In
Barrell length: 23.6 In
Magazine:30 box Magzine.
Operation:Gas- operated
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Is my range right?


All seems good, but it looks a lot like an AUG A3. That's not a bad thing though, I think the design is great.
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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:20 pm

Altamirus wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?


Could use a slightly higher fire rate, since in my opinion if you're using 5.56 you're going to need more shots on target to ensure that at least one of the bullets fragments. Beyond that I think it's pretty alright, though if I'm going to use 5.56 I don't think there's any gun I'd rather use than the Steyr AUG.

It has a long barrel, it has a much higher of its bullets fragmenting as a result. Increasing the rate of fire will only make it less accurate in full auto.

^ Round used:5.56x45 NATO
Rate of fire:680-750 rounds min
Effective:500 meters
Versility: Can be switched for left of right hand use. Can be converted to a carbine,LMG,SMG,subcarbine.
Overall weight:8.25 lbs.
Overall length:33 In
Barrell length: 23.6 In
Magazine:30 box Magzine.
Operation:Gas- operated
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/myweaponr.jpg/
^Comments?
Is my range right?


Looks good, but...it really isn't any different from the Steyr AUG. At all. Same round, same look, same shape, and same level of modularity. While the AUG is a great rifle, if you want to call this your own you should really change it up. Also, the sights don't seem to line up.

EDIT: And to be more helpful, I'd like to direct you to the UAWC's CS-RO battle rifle. Just as modular as the AUG, though a bit longer and with different sights. Fires 7.62x54mmR at a rate of 550 RPM when on full auto.
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Postby Satirius » Sat Feb 20, 2010 2:34 pm

Altamirus wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:What do you guys think about the Swedish AK5?


Could use a slightly higher fire rate, since in my opinion if you're using 5.56 you're going to need more shots on target to ensure that at least one of the bullets fragments. Beyond that I think it's pretty alright, though if I'm going to use 5.56 I don't think there's any gun I'd rather use than the Steyr AUG.

It has a long barrel, it has a much higher of its bullets fragmenting as a result. Increasing the rate of fire will only make it less accurate in full auto.

^ Round used:5.56x45 NATO
Rate of fire:680-750 rounds min
Effective:500 meters
Versility: Can be switched for left of right hand use. Can be converted to a carbine,LMG,SMG,subcarbine.
Overall weight:8.25 lbs.
Overall length:33 In
Barrell length: 23.6 In
Magazine:30 box Magzine.
Operation:Gas- operated
http://img52.imageshack.us/i/myweaponr.jpg/
^Comments?
Is my range right?

Your range happens to be the M16's. If you have a 23" barrel (Full-size Dragunov has 24"), it would be like 600+.
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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:30 pm

The FPMS-3, the UAWC's current main weapon, has proven itself to be an excellent assault rifle. However, in the face of current conflicts, we need more. More range. More power. More accuracy. More modularity. On top of all this, we need it to be easier to produce.

And so, we have developed a new rifle based off of the FPMS-3. However, while it is the same in many ways, it is also too different to be considered part of the FPMS rifle line. Therefore, we call it the FM-BHAR. It's easier to produce than the FPMS-3 and has a longer standard barrel, though it is a bit heavier. The FM-BHAR also has shorter (though more durable) buffers which are inside the stock. The FM-BHAR is fully modular and fully ambidextrous. It is easy to take the rifle apart, clean it, switch cartridges, and do other "lego-for-grown-men" type stuff. Additionally, it can use old, cheap AK mags, unlike its predecessor.

The FM-BHAR fires at 600 RPM when on full-auto (two-stage trigger w/ internal safety) and uses 7.62x39mmC (our version of 7.62 short, is made much more lethal by having a hollow space in it like the 5.45x39mm, causing tumbling on impact with target) as its standard cartridge. It fires from detachable box magazines of 30 rounds. Should the FM-BHAR prove itself to be better than the FPMS-3, it will replace the FPMS-3 as the main weapon of the UAWC.
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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:33 pm

UAWC wrote:The FPMS-3, the UAWC's current main weapon, has proven itself to be an excellent assault rifle. However, in the face of current conflicts, we need more. More range. More power. More accuracy. More modularity. On top of all this, we need it to be easier to produce.

And so, we have developed a new rifle based off of the FPMS-3. However, while it is the same in many ways, it is also too different to be considered part of the FPMS rifle line. Therefore, we call it the FM-BHAR. It's easier to produce than the FPMS-3 and has a longer standard barrel, though it is a bit heavier. The FM-BHAR also has shorter (though more durable) buffers which are inside the stock. The FM-BHAR is fully modular and fully ambidextrous. It is easy to take the rifle apart, clean it, switch cartridges, and do other "lego-for-grown-men" type stuff. Additionally, it can use old, cheap AK mags, unlike its predecessor.

The FM-BHAR fires at 600 RPM when on full-auto (two-stage trigger w/ internal safety) and uses 7.62x39mmC (our version of 7.62 short, is made much more lethal by having a hollow space in it like the 5.45x39mm, causing tumbling on impact with target) as its standard cartridge. It fires from detachable box magazines of 30 rounds. Should the FM-BHAR prove itself to be better than the FPMS-3, it will replace the FPMS-3 as the main weapon of the UAWC.


I don't like it. It's just too bulky.

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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:36 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
UAWC wrote:
The FPMS-3, the UAWC's current main weapon, has proven itself to be an excellent assault rifle. However, in the face of current conflicts, we need more. More range. More power. More accuracy. More modularity. On top of all this, we need it to be easier to produce.

And so, we have developed a new rifle based off of the FPMS-3. However, while it is the same in many ways, it is also too different to be considered part of the FPMS rifle line. Therefore, we call it the FM-BHAR. It's easier to produce than the FPMS-3 and has a longer standard barrel, though it is a bit heavier. The FM-BHAR also has shorter (though more durable) buffers which are inside the stock. The FM-BHAR is fully modular and fully ambidextrous. It is easy to take the rifle apart, clean it, switch cartridges, and do other "lego-for-grown-men" type stuff. Additionally, it can use old, cheap AK mags, unlike its predecessor.

The FM-BHAR fires at 600 RPM when on full-auto (two-stage trigger w/ internal safety) and uses 7.62x39mmC (our version of 7.62 short, is made much more lethal by having a hollow space in it like the 5.45x39mm, causing tumbling on impact with target) as its standard cartridge. It fires from detachable box magazines of 30 rounds. Should the FM-BHAR prove itself to be better than the FPMS-3, it will replace the FPMS-3 as the main weapon of the UAWC.


I don't like it. It's just too bulky.


That's true, it is more bulky than the FPMS-3. Would you say the FPMS-3 is better?
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:46 pm

I guess I'll never find it if my pistols are any good, huh?
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Postby Satirius » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:50 pm

Solyhniya wrote:I guess I'll never find it if my pistols are any good, huh?

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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:50 pm

Solyhniya wrote:I guess I'll never find it if my pistols are any good, huh?


Those look really good, actually. It's just that they don't seem very original. If they looked more...unique, you'd be likely to get a lot more comments about them.
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Postby Alahastra » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:51 pm

Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.
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Postby Anemos Major » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:53 pm

...No. It's a Tavor ripoff with more exposed parts.

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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:56 pm

Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:
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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:57 pm

Anemos Major wrote:...No. It's a Tavor ripoff with more exposed parts.


Really? We tried to make it look different from the Tavor...oh, well.
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Postby Solyhniya » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:58 pm

Solyhniya wrote:Spaškov SP-10
Спашков СП-10

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Constructed mainly from modern polymers, the SP-10 is a lightweight, high capacity solution as a standard military sidearm. It has a higher muzzle velocity than standard 9mm pistols whilst weighing less than a .45, providing a good middle ground. It is widely used by the army and by anti-terror units. Vlk special forces use the SP-10A variant which includes a fire selector for full auto setting.

Caliber:10mm
Weight: 780g (loaded)
Magazine capacity:
-Standard: 14 + 1
-Extended (SP-10A): 30 + 1
Fire rate (SP-10A): 800rpm


Spaškov SP-45
Спашков СП-45

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SP-45
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SP-50

Caliber:
(1) .45 ACP
(2) .50 Action Express
Magazine Capacity:
(1) 12 + 1
(2) 8 +1
Weight:
(1) 988g
(2) 1280g

The SP-45 series is a heavy caliber pistol designed for law enforcement, home defense, international sales and for the selection of some special military units. Its weight means it is impractical for the army, however it is the sidearm of choice in the Solyhniyan navy.

This pistol chambered in the more widely available rounds, the .50 Action Express and the .45 ACP, making it more viable for sales abroad (compared with many Solyhniyan firearms chambered in domestically more common rounds like the 6.78 and the 10mm). The SP-45K (Кompact) is more popular with police and the armed forces and appears in .45 ACP, whereas the full-sized variant can be chambered in both rounds, with the .50 variant (the SP-50)being the more popular option for home and self-defense.


^They exist^

I think as far as PMG pistols go, I've done better than some people. Some just stick some crap on a USP and call it the "Ultra Eagle Assassin Pistol". I get where you're coming from though. The SP-10 is kind of a curvier Glock and the SP-45 is pretty MK 13-ish. I shopped the SP-45K though, just to get a more unique look. For that reason, do you think I should try a remake using none-PMG apps?
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Postby Niur » Sat Feb 20, 2010 4:58 pm

UAWC wrote:
Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:

We have a belt fed pistol with AK ammo, so uhm yeah. It has enough recoild to blow of most humans arms though. Its fine for mesai.
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Postby Uawc » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:01 pm

Niur wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:

We have a belt fed pistol with AK ammo, so uhm yeah. It has enough recoild to blow of most humans arms though. Its fine for mesai.


Can it fire on full-auto?
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Postby Niur » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:02 pm

UAWC wrote:
Niur wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:

We have a belt fed pistol with AK ammo, so uhm yeah. It has enough recoild to blow of most humans arms though. Its fine for mesai.


Can it fire on full-auto?

It might, why do you ask?
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Postby Alahastra » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:02 pm

UAWC wrote:
Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:

The first one I wouldn't really call a sidearm, never mind a pistol. Also, I don't think there's such a thing as an automatic revolver. (aren't revolvers classified as sidearms with the rotating cylinder thingie?) :p
The second one, the magazine seems too large for a soldier to carry around as a sidearm. That's pretty impractical.
The third one is the best out of the three, although to me, it's just a handgun with more tacticool attachments (ie. grip, rails)

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Postby Satirius » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:04 pm

Alahastra wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Alahastra wrote:Honestly though, most "original" pistols aren't conventional. You can't really differ too much from the appearance of a standard pistol without calling it something else.


That's not entirely true. The UAWC has the:

The first one I wouldn't really call a sidearm, never mind a pistol. Also, I don't think there's such a thing as an automatic revolver. (aren't revolvers classified as sidearms with the rotating cylinder thingie?) :p
The second one, the magazine seems too large for a soldier to carry around as a sidearm. That's pretty impractical.
The third one is the best out of the three, although to me, it's just a handgun with more tacticool attachments (ie. grip, rails)

There is, in fact, an automatic revolver IRL. It's called the Mateba.
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Postby Fatatatutti » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:08 pm

Alahastra wrote:Also, I don't think there's such a thing as an automatic revolver. (aren't revolvers classified as sidearms with the rotating cylinder thingie?)

The Webley-Fosbery from The Maltese Falcon was an automatic revolver. Mind you, it wasn't as bizarre original as UAWC would like.

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Postby Kwonqua » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:08 pm

Standard troops get:

AUG HBAR -
due to it high fire rate, large magazine and yet it still remaining relatively light.

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Super Soldiers get:

Kwonquautomatic .50 caliber assault rifle -
(I know it's GOW)

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Postby Esternial » Sat Feb 20, 2010 5:16 pm

Heckler & Koch HK416, like the M4, but better

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