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Postby Bryn Shander » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:01 am

Putting together the Lego of semi-automatic rifles isn't really that impressive, bro. There are only a dozen or so parts if you don't include the pins.
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Postby Rancilia » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:42 am

UAWC, your reliance on SMG's with to much stopping power and virtually no accuracy and automatic shotguns was very ineffective. I mean , come on man, admit it. My M4A1 carbine with its red dot sight and SOPMOD attachments beats the crap out of your AK-47 (As with its variants). The only bigger waste of money than buying your soldiers AK-47's is betting on the Knicks! :rofl: ( Yes I stole that from Family Guy, and no offense to you Knicks fans out there, because Nate Robinson is actually pretty good).

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Postby Imitora » Wed Dec 02, 2009 7:55 am

Auman wrote:Reduced the commentary because I got angry when I was typing. So, to put it more aptly... When you screw up in regards to the classification of a type of ammunition like you did, Imitora, you become a running joke in the shooting world. I hope you don't talk like that at the range, for your own sake. Also, building guns is easy and I have done that as well... It's not really a claim to greatness.


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Postby Central Slavia » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:27 am

Rancilia wrote:UAWC, your reliance on SMG's with to much stopping power and virtually no accuracy and automatic shotguns was very ineffective. I mean , come on man, admit it. My M4A1 carbine with its red dot sight and SOPMOD attachments beats the crap out of your AK-47 (As with its variants). The only bigger waste of money than buying your soldiers AK-47's is betting on the Knicks! :rofl: ( Yes I stole that from Family Guy, and no offense to you Knicks fans out there, because Nate Robinson is actually pretty good).


It worked for the soviet union - not all soldiers need to make it, just enough of them
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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:39 am

Rancilia wrote:UAWC, your reliance on SMG's with to much stopping power and virtually no accuracy and automatic shotguns was very ineffective. I mean , come on man, admit it. My M4A1 carbine with its red dot sight and SOPMOD attachments beats the crap out of your AK-47 (As with its variants). The only bigger waste of money than buying your soldiers AK-47's is betting on the Knicks! :rofl: ( Yes I stole that from Family Guy, and no offense to you Knicks fans out there, because Nate Robinson is actually pretty good).


My AK-74M's with Kobra or 1P29 sights beat both of your weapons, especially when troop experience and training are taken into account.
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Postby United Russian State » Wed Dec 02, 2009 9:52 am

Chernobyl-Pripyat, you ever get the chance to fire/use AN-94?
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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:08 am

United Russian State wrote:Chernobyl-Pripyat, you ever get the chance to fire/use AN-94?


It's a weapon for propaganda purposes, like matching uniforms. :lol:


The Army never got any, but the MVD has them and uses them for photos.. it's not that it's unreliable, its that once you have to clean it, it's something that should be done indoors at a military base, not in a trench. Lots of small parts that are important for function, where as you can clean an AK "good enough" in a few minutes and not worry about losing anything.

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Postby United Russian State » Wed Dec 02, 2009 10:18 am

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:
United Russian State wrote:Chernobyl-Pripyat, you ever get the chance to fire/use AN-94?


It's a weapon for propaganda purposes, like matching uniforms. :lol:


The Army never got any, but the MVD has them and uses them for photos.. it's not that it's unreliable, its that once you have to clean it, it's something that should be done indoors at a military base, not in a trench. Lots of small parts that are important for function, where as you can clean an AK "good enough" in a few minutes and not worry about losing anything.



Oh. :lol:

I thought some of the special units were already starting to use them. The only reason why it wasn't given in mass because of it's cost. I heard it was better than the AK-74m too [besides the small parts] , but I never did talk a person who used it. I guess this is why.
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:15 pm

Rancilia wrote:UAWC, your reliance on SMG's with to much stopping power and virtually no accuracy and automatic shotguns was very ineffective. I mean , come on man, admit it. My M4A1 carbine with its red dot sight and SOPMOD attachments beats the crap out of your AK-47 (As with its variants). The only bigger waste of money than buying your soldiers AK-47's is betting on the Knicks! :rofl: ( Yes I stole that from Family Guy, and no offense to you Knicks fans out there, because Nate Robinson is actually pretty good).


We don't rely on SMGs, actually. We don't even use them very much, to be honest. And your puny carbine is really nothing compared to our main battle rifle, the UBR-1.
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:29 pm

Submitting for review, as the UAWC would like to know how to make this gun better.

The main UAWC submachine gun is the WG-23. It fires at 800 RPM from a P90-style box magazine of 50. It is equipped with a push dagger, hidden inside the handle, which is easily removed and used in emergencies. While reliable and fairly accurate, the WG-23 does take a little longer to reload, as the process requires the user to move the sight to the side. The WG-23 is also equipped with a folding stock.
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Postby Ewa beach » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:40 pm

UAWC wrote:Submitting for review, as the UAWC would like to know how to make this gun better.

The main UAWC submachine gun is the WG-23. It fires at 800 RPM from a P90-style box magazine of 50. It is equipped with a push dagger, hidden inside the handle, which is easily removed and used in emergencies. While reliable and fairly accurate, the WG-23 does take a little longer to reload, as the process requires the user to move the sight to the side. The WG-23 is also equipped with a folding stock.

Wow, one gun that actually looks realistic and good. But where exactly is the mag? I know it's like the P90, but I don't see where it would be. Another thing, why a scope on a SMG?
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:56 pm

Ewa beach wrote:
UAWC wrote:Submitting for review, as the UAWC would like to know how to make this gun better.

The main UAWC submachine gun is the WG-23. It fires at 800 RPM from a P90-style box magazine of 50. It is equipped with a push dagger, hidden inside the handle, which is easily removed and used in emergencies. While reliable and fairly accurate, the WG-23 does take a little longer to reload, as the process requires the user to move the sight to the side. The WG-23 is also equipped with a folding stock.

Wow, one gun that actually looks realistic and good. But where exactly is the mag? I know it's like the P90, but I don't see where it would be. Another thing, why a scope on a SMG?

I have to agree, but my only question is where is the magazine?
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Postby Albrante » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:00 pm

UAWC wrote:Submitting for review, as the UAWC would like to know how to make this gun better.

The main UAWC submachine gun is the WG-23. It fires at 800 RPM from a P90-style box magazine of 50. It is equipped with a push dagger, hidden inside the handle, which is easily removed and used in emergencies. While reliable and fairly accurate, the WG-23 does take a little longer to reload, as the process requires the user to move the sight to the side. The WG-23 is also equipped with a folding stock.


Okay now about your assault rifle: It looks very front heavy, how a soldier can hold it strait is beyond me. Does the stock fold in any way? The length must wreak havoc on any sort of mechanized infantry transport.
And your SMG has a small barrel and a small round, it would have trouble against body armor to say the least....
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:06 pm

That's not a scope, it's a red dot similar to the Steyr AUG's. The magazine is inside the receiver, it's hard to see but that little beige bit is part of the mag.

The barrel is actually quite long, as most of it is in the gun, much like the P90.

And it uses the P90's armor-piercing round.
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Postby Ewa beach » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:08 pm

UAWC wrote:That's not a scope, it's a red dot similar to the Steyr AUG's. The magazine is inside the receiver, it's hard to see but that little beige bit is part of the mag.

The barrel is actually quite long, as most of it is in the gun, much like the P90.

And it uses the P90's armor-piercing round.

Well, that answers my questions.
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Postby Albrante » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:10 pm

Ewa beach wrote:Congrats UAWC! Your first good gun!

:rofl:

Back on topic, the barrel doesn't look that long...
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:13 pm

Albrante wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:Congrats UAWC! Your first good gun!

:rofl:

Back on topic, the barrel doesn't look that long...


Neither does the P90's.

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It starts just under the back of the magazine there.
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Postby Albrante » Wed Dec 02, 2009 3:20 pm

Fair enough, I have another question: You said that you had to move the sight to the side to reload, this seems like a problem in CQB, the place were a PDW is needed most.
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Postby Allied Governments » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:06 pm

UAWC wrote:That's not a scope, it's a red dot similar to the Steyr AUG's. The magazine is inside the receiver, it's hard to see but that little beige bit is part of the mag.

The barrel is actually quite long, as most of it is in the gun, much like the P90.

And it uses the P90's armor-piercing round.


Using the round that the P90 uses is a horrible choice for an Assault Rifle.
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Postby Laos Refugees » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:07 pm

Since when is a P90 a full fledged Assault Rifle?

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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:26 pm

Hence why the P90 is considered a PDW/SMG, Allied Governments.


Albrante: This is true. However, the WG-23 isn't really a PDW. We have other guns for that.
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Postby Laos Refugees » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:27 pm

I knew the P90 was a SMG, I have no idea where the topic of it being a Assault Rifle came from though.

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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:28 pm

Laos Refugees wrote:I knew the P90 was a SMG, I have no idea where the topic of it being a Assault Rifle came from though.


I don't know either, I think it's something to do with its cartridge being rather large for a pistol round.
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 02, 2009 4:30 pm

Ewa beach wrote:
UAWC wrote:That's not a scope, it's a red dot similar to the Steyr AUG's. The magazine is inside the receiver, it's hard to see but that little beige bit is part of the mag.

The barrel is actually quite long, as most of it is in the gun, much like the P90.

And it uses the P90's armor-piercing round.

Well, that answers my questions.
Congrats UAWC! Your first good gun!


Thanks, but none of the other UAWC guns are good?
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Postby Gc1mak » Wed Dec 02, 2009 5:12 pm

UAWC wrote:
Ewa beach wrote:
UAWC wrote:That's not a scope, it's a red dot similar to the Steyr AUG's. The magazine is inside the receiver, it's hard to see but that little beige bit is part of the mag.

The barrel is actually quite long, as most of it is in the gun, much like the P90.

And it uses the P90's armor-piercing round.

Well, that answers my questions.
Congrats UAWC! Your first good gun!


Thanks, but none of the other UAWC guns are good?


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