What is the main military weapon of your country?

[Uawc]

You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.

When your nation's prime minister used to be in the KGB before he was the president, it stinks like Soviet Union.

I FREAKING LOVE PUTIN. He's like Rambo, but moar socialist.

What country are you from?
I am in slovakia and i like putin as well as he is pulling russia up from the mafia mud Jelcin got it in

I'm from a bunch of different countries, but I live in Canada right now. I plan to join the Communist Party soon.

[Imitora]

How is the 7.62x39 round the most dangerous in the world? The 7.62x39 weighs 10 grams, has a muzzle velocity of 641.3 m/s, and only strikes with a force of 2,059 J. The 5.56 NATO round weighs 4.1 grams, has a muzzle velocity of 905 m/s and strikes with a force of 1,679 J.
So while the 7.62x39 strikes with almost 30% more force, it weighs almost twice as much, and has a shorter range.

Source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5.56x45
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x39

THe biggest issue with the 7.62x39 is the fact that it is 7.62x39. You are better off with the extra 12mm to get the 7.62x51mm

[Central Slavia]

The thing is , my country went pretty much to the toilet in the last 20 years.
Now the socialist govt headed by Robert Fico kind of goes about to fix it, but most of what they do are just promises (any case it is the best govt we have got since we separated)

[Imitora]

Have any of you even used the rifles you're whining about?

Yup. Not the fully auto versions (well...not all of them ) but I don't hold an opinion on a weapon unless I have fired it.

[Brydog]

This in 6.8x 45mm

[Uawc]

The thing is , my country went pretty much to the toilet in the last 20 years.
Now the socialist govt headed by Robert Fico kind of goes about to fix it, but most of what they do are just promises (any case it is the best govt we have got since we separated)

The problem here, comrade, is government. The people must command the government, not the other way around. The people must be the ones to make the change with the government as the tool. This way it is easier to implement a truly socialist system until the government and state withers away, and Communism is achieved, making for a better place for everyone.

[Pandemicia]

meh.....I changed mine back to the AK-74 until I can find/make up a new gun. The FN FAL is looking quite nice right now lol >_>

The problem here, comrade, is government. The people must command the government, not the other way around. The people must be the ones to make the change with the government as the tool. This way it is easier to implement a truly socialist system until the government and state withers away, and Communism is achieved, making for a better place for everyone.

EDIT: My good sir, didn't you know that Czechoslovakia had a communist government during the cold war? O_o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslov ... hoslovakia

[Imitora]

meh.....I changed mine back to the AK-74 until I can find/make up a new gun. The FN FAL is looking quite nice right now lol >_>

Go with the FAL. It is nothing short of awesome if you are going to use a real world weapon. Plus they have variants for damn near anything you need. Right arm of the free world, it is.

[NeoYamato]

Gotta say, when it comes to two first world countries getting into a bit of a tumble, nothing spells victory better than a missile. Rather out-dates armies in my opinion.

[Uawc]

meh.....I changed mine back to the AK-74 until I can find/make up a new gun. The FN FAL is looking quite nice right now lol >_>

The problem here, comrade, is government. The people must command the government, not the other way around. The people must be the ones to make the change with the government as the tool. This way it is easier to implement a truly socialist system until the government and state withers away, and Communism is achieved, making for a better place for everyone.

EDIT: My good sir, didn't you know that Czechoslovakia had a communist government during the cold war? O_o

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Czechoslov ... hoslovakia

They had a socialist government, but they did not achieve Communism because Stalin was an authoritarian dick.

[Central Slavia]

We had not much to do with stalin except with the red army liberating us.
Actually i am mostly neutral towards him, but people really hate Breznev for the events of august 68.

[Bavin]

The thing is , my country went pretty much to the toilet in the last 20 years.
Now the socialist govt headed by Robert Fico kind of goes about to fix it, but most of what they do are just promises (any case it is the best govt we have got since we separated)

The problem here, comrade, is government. The people must command the government, not the other way around. The people must be the ones to make the change with the government as the tool. This way it is easier to implement a truly socialist system until the government and state withers away, and Communism is achieved, making for a better place for everyone.

But then you slip back into capitalism...

[Albrante]

meh.....I changed mine back to the AK-74 until I can find/make up a new gun. The FN FAL is looking quite nice right now lol >_>

Go with the FAL. It is nothing short of awesome if you are going to use a real world weapon. Plus they have variants for damn near anything you need. Right arm of the free world, it is.

An Ak-100 series, they take a good design and make it useful in the 21st century.

[Daleks and Time Lords]

You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.

When your nation's prime minister used to be in the KGB before he was the president, it stinks like Soviet Union.

I FREAKING LOVE PUTIN. He's like Rambo, but moar socialist.

Everyone loves Putin!

[Uawc]

The thing is , my country went pretty much to the toilet in the last 20 years.
Now the socialist govt headed by Robert Fico kind of goes about to fix it, but most of what they do are just promises (any case it is the best govt we have got since we separated)

The problem here, comrade, is government. The people must command the government, not the other way around. The people must be the ones to make the change with the government as the tool. This way it is easier to implement a truly socialist system until the government and state withers away, and Communism is achieved, making for a better place for everyone.

But then you slip back into capitalism...

Not if the people who want capitalism are told to move somewhere else.

[Albrante]

Despite the fact that Putin can be considered a weapon, try not to go off topic, make a new thread if yall need to.

[The Grand World Order]

And better than both the M16 and AK47 is the M14, presuming you have a pistol grip and straight stock on it.

And if you're using a genuine M14, and not that NORINCO bullshit.

M14's don't have, nor need, pistol grips. Don't tacticool a rifle that doesn't need it.

The M14 is much easier to handle with a pistol grip. Now, that makes using fully automatic on the thing much, much easier.

[Uawc]

Despite the fact that Putin can be considered a weapon, try not to go off topic, make a new thread if yall need to.

Gotcha. TIMEZ0RZ FOR MOAR ON-TOPIC POSTING.

So yeah. Putin is an awesome weapon.

EDIT: I think I just killed the thread...

[Albrante]

Despite the fact that Putin can be considered a weapon, try not to go off topic, make a new thread if yall need to.

Gotcha. TIMEZ0RZ FOR MOAR ON-TOPIC POSTING.

So yeah. Putin is an awesome weapon.

EDIT: I think I just killed the thread...

WTF...

[Uawc]

Despite the fact that Putin can be considered a weapon, try not to go off topic, make a new thread if yall need to.

Gotcha. TIMEZ0RZ FOR MOAR ON-TOPIC POSTING.

So yeah. Putin is an awesome weapon.

EDIT: I think I just killed the thread...

WTF...

I did it for teh lulz.

In all seriousness. What do you guys think of the FN Five-seveN?

[Imitora]

The M14 is much easier to handle with a pistol grip. Now, that makes using fully automatic on the thing much, much easier.

EMR/EBR for the win.

In all seriousness. What do you guys think of the FN Five-seveN?

Not a fan. Don't like the 5.7mm round, I think it is stupid to put a rifle round into a pistol basically getting rid of the whole point of the 5.7mm round, and I'll state in pistol format there is nothing you can't do with a .45ACP or 9mm that you can do with a 5.7mm. In a rifle the round is a bit more useful, especially the 5.7mm upper for the AR platform. It also looks kinda cool.

As a pistol, *shrug*, I'll pass.

[Auman]

The M14 is much easier to handle with a pistol grip. Now, that makes using fully automatic on the thing much, much easier.

EMR/EBR for the win.

In all seriousness. What do you guys think of the FN Five-seveN?

Not a fan. Don't like the 5.7mm round, I think it is stupid to put a rifle round into a pistol basically getting rid of the whole point of the 5.7mm round, and I'll state in pistol format there is nothing you can't do with a .45ACP or 9mm that you can do with a 5.7mm. In a rifle the round is a bit more useful, especially the 5.7mm upper for the AR platform. It also looks kinda cool.

As a pistol, *shrug*, I'll pass.

Funny story, bro. The 5.7x28mm round is a pistol round. I think you should probably do more research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SS197_223_comparo.jpg That would be a comparison of 5.7x28mm to a 5.56x45mm round. You'd notice there is a great difference in the amount of propellant stored within the casing, as there is a difference of 17mm. Just because it looks like a rifle round doesn't mean it is a rifle round. Seriously, bro, your statement is pretty telling of your lack of firearms knowledge and I suggest you stop getting your facts from the Brady Campaign.

[Bavin]

Bavin uses (or did before I moved to Earth II) the L-85A2

Now, being in Earth II, we use the FN FAL.

[Imitora]

Funny story, bro. The 5.7x28mm round is a pistol round. I think you should probably do more research.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:SS197_223_comparo.jpg That would be a comparison of 5.7x28mm to a 5.56x45mm round. You'd notice there is a great difference in the amount of propellant stored within the casing, as there is a difference of 17mm. Just because it looks like a rifle round doesn't mean it is a rifle round. Seriously, bro, your statement is pretty telling of your lack of firearms knowledge and I suggest you stop getting your facts from the Brady Campaign.

If you've read anything I've posted up to this point, you'd eat your words. I've probably built more AR platform rifles then you've fired, I make a nice amount on the side by putting 'em together and selling them for about $500 more than I paid for parts. I haven't done much research on the 5.7 from FN because I think it continues to be the answer to a question no one asked, and I don't plan on ever buying anything that shoots it. I'm not as cool as Sam Fisher. All I know is that all the gunnies I know personally keep comparing it to a hot loaded .22 Magnum, and that is a .22 round pretty much pointless outside a rifle design.

At least Jeff Cooper came out and said (paraphrasing here) that the 10mm was kind of an oops thing, and that it really doesn't do anything that a good .45ACP load can't but hey happy mistakes and all. FN is to busy trying to market the round that makes a case of 5.56 (at least locally) look stupid cheap. They should stop fucking around with black boxes and fugly ass "patrol rifles" and get back into the business of making FALs and bringing them here to the states.

Oh, and my AR rifle case has "Sarah Brady is a Sad Panda" sprayed on it.

[Auman]

Reduced the commentary because I got angry when I was typing. So, to put it more aptly... When you screw up in regards to the classification of a type of ammunition like you did, Imitora, you become a running joke in the shooting world. I hope you don't talk like that at the range, for your own sake. Also, building guns is easy and I have done that as well... It's not really a claim to greatness.