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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:08 pm

I personally can't stand the AKMS[AKM with a folding stock, I used one for a bit in the Caucasus], the ammo is heavy[I had 10+mags,so I left my body armor in the BTR], it isn't particularly accurate and the range isn't good compared to the AK-74 or any other rifle, HOWEVER, it's very good at shooting through light cover and through trees, plus the ammo is, literally everywhere. It's a decent rifle for it's time [1950's-1970's], but it's quite dated now, especially the cartridge. Modern variants like the AK-74, Polish Beryl and the Galil are much better suited for accurate fire instead of WWII-style bullet hoses.

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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:12 pm

Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
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Rancilia wrote:For your information, UAWC, the AK-47 is a crappy gun, as with all of it's variants. The only, ONLY thing it's good for is it's reliability in muddy and desert conditions. It's terribly inaccurate, and his a very small magazine. Unfortunately, my M4A1 tops your AK-47 by a long shot .

Really? I was under the impression that it was considered one of the greatest rifles ever made... silly me.

Well, that's what happens when you believe all of that spoon fed, WikaCommie bullshit. A good weapon isn't whored out to Communists and, hmpf, 'freedom fighters'.


That's right, a good weapon is made by them. 8)

God, I posted that..What, a minute ago? Stop whoring out all of your Barnes and Noble bought information out. I'd rather have a, well, perfectly made A.R, then a crudely made, piece of plastic that's been hidden in a grimy desert, probably about to jam and get the Commie Sympathizer turned to swiss cheese(Lol orginal, mirite?)


Whether or not the AK-47 is a good rifle to you is dependent on your personal philosophies and what you like in a gun. It's not any worse than the AR-15.
Good for it? Do I recall saying it was worse then the M16? No? Didn't think so. Do I look like a fool who thinks that the best gun is one that's in all my favorite video games, or if it shoots super fast? I prefer a AMP TS DSR-1, that's just me however

I've seen that, it looks cool. A bit bulky for my taste, though.

Personally, my favorite AR is the UAWC CAAW-9. But that's just me. it's almost like a bullpup, but the magazine isn't smack next to your face and it's more reliable than most of them.
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Postby Oseato » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:13 pm

The Grand World Order wrote:And better than both the M16 and AK47 is the M14, presuming you have a pistol grip and straight stock on it.

And if you're using a genuine M14, and not that NORINCO bullshit.


M14's don't have, nor need, pistol grips. Don't tacticool a rifle that doesn't need it.
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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:16 pm

UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
Bavin wrote:
Rancilia wrote:For your information, UAWC, the AK-47 is a crappy gun, as with all of it's variants. The only, ONLY thing it's good for is it's reliability in muddy and desert conditions. It's terribly inaccurate, and his a very small magazine. Unfortunately, my M4A1 tops your AK-47 by a long shot .

Really? I was under the impression that it was considered one of the greatest rifles ever made... silly me.

Well, that's what happens when you believe all of that spoon fed, WikaCommie bullshit. A good weapon isn't whored out to Communists and, hmpf, 'freedom fighters'.


That's right, a good weapon is made by them. 8)

God, I posted that..What, a minute ago? Stop whoring out all of your Barnes and Noble bought information out. I'd rather have a, well, perfectly made A.R, then a crudely made, piece of plastic that's been hidden in a grimy desert, probably about to jam and get the Commie Sympathizer turned to swiss cheese(Lol orginal, mirite?)


Whether or not the AK-47 is a good rifle to you is dependent on your personal philosophies and what you like in a gun. It's not any worse than the AR-15.
Good for it? Do I recall saying it was worse then the M16? No? Didn't think so. Do I look like a fool who thinks that the best gun is one that's in all my favorite video games, or if it shoots super fast? I prefer a AMP TS DSR-1, that's just me however

I've seen that, it looks cool. A bit bulky for my taste, though.

Personally, my favorite AR is the UAWC CAAW-9. But that's just me. it's almost like a bullpup, but the magazine isn't smack next to your face and it's more reliable than most of them.

I'm guessing you made that in P.M.G yourself, pretty cool, but the magazine looks like a bat out of hell, If you compare the size of the bullet and the size of the magazine, you can see the magazine is a tad too large.

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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:19 pm

Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
Bavin wrote:
Rancilia wrote:For your information, UAWC, the AK-47 is a crappy gun, as with all of it's variants. The only, ONLY thing it's good for is it's reliability in muddy and desert conditions. It's terribly inaccurate, and his a very small magazine. Unfortunately, my M4A1 tops your AK-47 by a long shot .

Really? I was under the impression that it was considered one of the greatest rifles ever made... silly me.

Well, that's what happens when you believe all of that spoon fed, WikaCommie bullshit. A good weapon isn't whored out to Communists and, hmpf, 'freedom fighters'.


That's right, a good weapon is made by them. 8)

God, I posted that..What, a minute ago? Stop whoring out all of your Barnes and Noble bought information out. I'd rather have a, well, perfectly made A.R, then a crudely made, piece of plastic that's been hidden in a grimy desert, probably about to jam and get the Commie Sympathizer turned to swiss cheese(Lol orginal, mirite?)


Whether or not the AK-47 is a good rifle to you is dependent on your personal philosophies and what you like in a gun. It's not any worse than the AR-15.
Good for it? Do I recall saying it was worse then the M16? No? Didn't think so. Do I look like a fool who thinks that the best gun is one that's in all my favorite video games, or if it shoots super fast? I prefer a AMP TS DSR-1, that's just me however

I've seen that, it looks cool. A bit bulky for my taste, though.

Personally, my favorite AR is the UAWC CAAW-9. But that's just me. it's almost like a bullpup, but the magazine isn't smack next to your face and it's more reliable than most of them.

I'm guessing you made that in P.M.G yourself, pretty cool, but the magazine looks like a bat out of hell, If you compare the size of the bullet and the size of the magazine, you can see the magazine is a tad too large.

Fires AK rounds. But yeah, I think I might have made the mag a bit too large, you're right.
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Postby Senestrum » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:23 pm

Well, if we're going by self-made weapons I like the M8 family of rifles and its variants: 1 2 3
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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:25 pm

I like the first two variants, but the bayonet is going to be bothersome.

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:26 pm

UAWC wrote:
Rancilia wrote:For your information, UAWC, the AK-47 is a crappy gun, as with all of it's variants. The only, ONLY thing it's good for is it's reliability in muddy and desert conditions. It's terribly inaccurate, and his a very small magazine. Unfortunately, my M4A1 tops your AK-47 by a long shot .


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Last time I checked, the AK-47 fired one of the deadliest rifle rounds in the world.

...and since when is 30 rounds a small magazine...?

How is the 7.62x39 round the most dangerous in the world? The 7.62x39 weighs 10 grams, has a muzzle velocity of 641.3 m/s, and only strikes with a force of 2,059 J. The 5.56 NATO round weighs 4.1 grams, has a muzzle velocity of 905 m/s and strikes with a force of 1,679 J.
So while the 7.62x39 strikes with almost 30% more force, it weighs almost twice as much, and has a shorter range.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/7.62x39
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Postby Senestrum » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:28 pm

Laos Refugees wrote:I like the first two variants, but the bayonet is going to be bothersome.

Well, the nade launcher and bayonet are really just attachments. The bayonet is there because ALL GUNS MUST HAVE A SWORD BAYONET HELL YEAH
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:28 pm

you know, soviet tacticians have found most combat happens at aobut 300 meters anyway.
For the other cases there are the guys with SVD
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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:30 pm

Senestrum wrote:Well, if we're going by self-made weapons I like the M8 family of rifles and its variants: 1 2 3



I must say, those are win. The bayonet on the last one is detachable like most others, correct?
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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:30 pm

Central Slavia wrote:you know, soviet tacticians have found most combat happens at aobut 300 meters anyway.
For the other cases there are the guys with SVD

And then there are the guys with weapons that aren't forty years old, who snipe the guys with the SVDs.

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Postby Senestrum » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:32 pm

UAWC wrote:
Senestrum wrote:Well, if we're going by self-made weapons I like the M8 family of rifles and its variants: 1 2 3



I must say, those are win. The bayonet on the last one is detachable, correct?

Thanks, and of course it is. How are the men supposed to use their standard-issue short sword if it's always on their gun? ;)
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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:33 pm

Senestrum wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Senestrum wrote:Well, if we're going by self-made weapons I like the M8 family of rifles and its variants: 1 2 3



I must say, those are win. The bayonet on the last one is detachable, correct?

Thanks, and of course it is. How are the men supposed to use their standard-issue short sword if it's always on their gun? ;)


We have a SMG that has a knife in it, but it needs pull-out. What do you think of it, by its appearance?

We call it the WG-23.

...the magazine is P90-style, so it's hard to see.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:33 pm

You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:34 pm

Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.

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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:35 pm

Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous



The Red Army was freaking awesome. There is no doubt about that. Those guys are the ones that marched into Berlin and kicked Hitler's ass. Russia would be even better off now in my opinion of the USSR didn't collapse, and was, you know, not a totalitarian dictatorship. But that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess.
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Postby Laos Refugees » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:37 pm

UAWC wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous



The Red Army was freaking awesome. There is no doubt about that. Those guys are the ones that marched into Berlin and kicked Hitler's ass. Russia would be even better off now in my opinion of the USSR didn't collapse, and was, you know, not a totalitarian dictatorship. But that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess.
I'd march into a countries capital country two if they were outnumbered and had to fight different fronts with little aid.

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Laos Refugees wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.


When your nation's prime minister used to be in the KGB before he was the president, it stinks like Soviet Union.
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Laos Refugees wrote:
UAWC wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous



The Red Army was freaking awesome. There is no doubt about that. Those guys are the ones that marched into Berlin and kicked Hitler's ass. Russia would be even better off now in my opinion of the USSR didn't collapse, and was, you know, not a totalitarian dictatorship. But that's how the cookie crumbles, I guess.
I'd march into a countries capital country two if they were outnumbered and had to fight different fronts with little aid.


I wonder, would you? it rests to ask who picked up the soviet force from the disaster if not marshal Zukov and others like him.
And you cannot deny T34 and KV1 were top of the line then
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:45 pm

Auman wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.


When your nation's prime minister used to be in the KGB before he was the president, it stinks like Soviet Union.

I FREAKING LOVE PUTIN. He's like Rambo, but moar socialist.
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:46 pm

UAWC wrote:
Auman wrote:
Laos Refugees wrote:
Central Slavia wrote:You know there is a lot more SVD guys and there are with the regular soldiers. Soviet army understanding of the role of sniper is much different to the western one.

Also the snipers might shoot a few, but overall the force will be numerous

Too bad the Soviets aren't around, so their understanding is null,and I really Had trouble understanding your first sentence.


When your nation's prime minister used to be in the KGB before he was the president, it stinks like Soviet Union.

I FREAKING LOVE PUTIN. He's like Rambo, but moar socialist.

What country are you from?
I am in slovakia and i like putin as well as he is pulling russia up from the mafia mud Jelcin got it in
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You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

Great Nepal wrote:Please stick to OFFICIAL numbers. Why to go to scholars,[cut]

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Postby Chernobyl-Pripyat » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:46 pm

Have any of you even used the rifles you're whining about? :palm:

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Postby Uawc » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:47 pm

Chernobyl-Pripyat wrote:Have any of you even used the rifles you're whining about? :palm:


Most of us have in Call of Duty. :lol:

IC: I own a number of UAWC weapons; the CAAW-9 assault rifle, AMPS-S11 automatic shotgun, and BC-1 revolver. I practice with them all frequently.

Though I've only used the AK-47 and variants...in Call of Duty. :lol:
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Postby Central Slavia » Tue Dec 01, 2009 8:47 pm

No but i am not arguing as technology goes, but from an economical and logistical perspective
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Glorious Homeland wrote:
You would be wrong. There's something wrong with the Americans, the Japanese are actually insane, the Chinese don't seem capable of free-thought and just defer judgement to the most powerful strong man, the Russians are quite like that, only more aggressive and mad, and Belarus? Hah.

Omnicracy wrote:The Soviet Union did not support pro-Soviet governments, it compleatly controled them. The U.S. did not controle the corrupt regiems it set up against the Soviet Union, it just sugested things and changed leaders if they weer not takeing enough sugestions

Great Nepal wrote:Please stick to OFFICIAL numbers. Why to go to scholars,[cut]

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