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Postby Von Amerika » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:02 pm

The backbone arms of the Von Amerikan Wehrmacht were the Mauser K98 and the the Selbstladegewer 251 or the later designated the SG251 (captured and postwar occupation era made M1 Garands converted to 7.92x57mm). The Mauser K98 remained in service until 1952, until being replaced by the Mauser SK52 or the SelbstladeKarabiner 52, which was used alongside the SG251 until 1990, being replaced by the STG03A or known as the Sturmgewehr 03A. The K98 is still used in drills and military ceremonies alongside the SG251.

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SelbstladeKarbiner 52 or the SK52
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Postby Kanotrak » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:13 pm

Anemos Major wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Gwrachbyd wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Kanotrak wrote:Our Nation arms its soldiers with the AR-15 assault rifle, with rail system, telescopic sight and folding bipod standard on each one.

So your army is mostly made up of designated marksmen?


would that be such a bad thing, granted they won't be able to hold out during a stand up fight but when you can pin your enemy down at twice their effective range it makes it hard for them to fight back. used with the right tactics an army of snipers would devistate most infanty formations. the problem is when it comes to urban warfare where ranges are measured in at most tens of metres. so as long as he's not planning to fight in any built up areas he'd stand a chance. just remember if you're ever going to attack him to stay in the cities where all his advantages will be thrown out the window lol

Your forces would be raped in CQB. The attachments would make your guns heavy and cumbersome. Also you can kill enemy soldiers at whatever range you want, but once you get into the 100 meter and under range your scopes and bipods will just get in the way. Even my National Militia has started using Questers' shortened version of the FGR chambered in 8x65mm Anglo for CQB.


Guys, I went through this with him at the top of this page.


Please, gentlemen...some civility.

It seems I failed to correctly explain the sentiments of our Nation...the standard AR-15 outfit of Kanotrak is designed with the public showcasing of our military in mind. Yes, marksmanship is a prerequisite for graduating from recruit status, and distance combat tactics are quite common when we do go to war; but the AR-15 carried into combat is often stripped of equipment that would cause interference, including sights and bipods. Our soldiers are armed with a carbine variant and a secondary pistol for close quarter combat scenarios; which weapons they carry into battle is determined by logistics ahead of time. The AR-15 Kanotrak variant is simply the standard by which we measure the capabilities of our personnel.

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Postby JohnClobustheXXXII » Sun Aug 15, 2010 8:46 pm

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Postby North Mack » Sun Aug 15, 2010 9:32 pm

Byelorussian SSR wrote:
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Itailian Maifias wrote:Actually, I was looking for a weapon for my paratroopers and a modern M-1 Carbine would be beast.

Nothing is wrong with the BAR design, just modernize the stats


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Yup. Most of the stuff I use for my nation is, they surpass anything I could make in PMG. I try to suggest other people look there since they really are badass guns. I'll admit I missed questers post on it however, I have him on my foes list. I take no credit for either one of those guns. I was just suggesting them to Italian Mafias as an M1 Carbine style item.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Sun Aug 15, 2010 10:27 pm

Name: LS-2 'Bastard Gun'
Manufacturer: Red Star Armaments(RSA)
Cartridge: 6.5 Grendel
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 750-800 rounds per minute
Length: 905 - 985 mm with 406 mm barrel/35.6" - 38.8" with 16" barrel
Weight: 9 lb
Barrel Length: 406mm
Automatic/Semi automatic
Effective range: 800m
Maximum Range: 1200 yards
Magazine: 32 rounds
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Postby Indeos » Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:17 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Name: LS-2 'Bastard Gun'
Manufacturer: Red Star Armaments(RSA)
Cartridge: 6.5 Grendel
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Rate of fire: 750-800 rounds per minute
Length: 905 - 985 mm with 406 mm barrel/35.6" - 38.8" with 16" barrel
Weight: 9 lb
Barrel Length: 406mm
Automatic/Semi automatic
Effective range: 800m
Maximum Range: 1200 yards
Magazine: 32 rounds
Side notes: Stock is detachable. Grenade launcher is not standard, nor is scope. Comes with '3 hair' ironsights.

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Needs a grip, otherwise your soldiers can't hold it, and the mag should technically be down a few layers, so it's covered by the magwell. The barrel could use a handguard, and be moved back a bit, so the bolt is where the bolt goes.
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Postby Mikedor » Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:53 am

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Itailian Maifias wrote:
Kivigrad wrote:I thought trained minute men could get off quite a few shots in a minute, like 6-12?

If I remember correctly, it takes about 30 seconds for a trained soldier to reload, and that was in the Civil War

I think Kivigrad is right, but 12 rpm seems far too high, I think 4-8 would be more realistic. Also why even include the rate of fire for a musket, it is like including the rate of fire for a bolt action rifle, or a lever action rifle, it depends on the user.

Well-trained soldiers could manage 3 rounds a minute, four if they were really good. 5 rpm wasn't unheard of, but that would be if you were already loaded. Around 25 seconds per shot is a fair average.
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Postby Satirius » Mon Aug 16, 2010 7:36 am

Straight-pull bolt-action rifle, used until 1950:
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Postby Mikedor » Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:09 am

Satirius wrote:Straight-pull bolt-action rifle, used until 1950:
http://a.imageshack.us/img7/6738/y897.png

needs moar magazine.

Cock on closing or opening?
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Postby Krakadarek » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:11 pm

Krakadarek a large 3rd world nation with a big military budget and a lot off starving people.


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Postby Satirius » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:16 pm

Mikedor wrote:
Satirius wrote:Straight-pull bolt-action rifle, used until 1950:
http://a.imageshack.us/img7/6738/y897.png

needs moar magazine.

Cock on closing or opening?

Cocks on closing, as the bolt rotates.

It's a bastard child of the Steyr M95 and the MLE with MAS-36 in the aesthetics(and lack of a real safety).
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:16 pm

Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.
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Postby Satirius » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:17 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

But NICHES man, NICHES!
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Postby Austria-russia » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:18 pm

where are your soldiers taught to aim for?

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:19 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Image

Name: AAS-98 (Automatic Assault Shotgun 1998)
Manufacturer: Yorktown Armaments
Year: 1998
Length: 850mm
Barrel Length: 430mm
Weight: 3.8 kg unloaded
Action: Lever Delayed Blowback
Rate of Fire: 1,200 RPM
Cartridge: 28 gauge
Feed System: 15 round magazine, or 50 round drum
Cost: $930
$125 for USSSFTA-02
DPRs: $930 million
$125 million for USSSFTA-02

History
The AAS-98 was developed in the late 90's as an export rifle which would be marketed to foreign nations as an assault shotgun. The goal of the AAS was to be a fully automatic shotgun with the ability to put out enough lead to clear out a room in only a few seconds regardless of the number of people defending it. The first problem in designing the AAS-98 was the decision over which size shell to use, some people in Yorktown Armaments proposed a 10 gauge shell, other proposed 12, 20, and 28 gauge shells. In the end, it was decided that a 28 gauge shell would be much easier to control on full auto, and it was decided to chamber the AAS-98 in 28 gauge. The first prototype of the AAs-98 was finished in 1996 and after 15 months of testing, and modification, mass production began in early 1998. In 2010, Yorktown Armaments made a deal with The Royal Britannian Arms Manufacturing Co., where by RBAM would produce and sell the AAS-98 with Yorktown Armaments receiving 50% of all profits.

Design
The AAS-98 operates on a lever delayed blowback system, where leverage is used to delay the opening of the breech. The cartridge fired by the AAS-98 is a 28 gauge shotgun shell, offered in shot, slugs, and flechettes. The very high rate of fire allows the shooter to put out hundreds of projectiles in one second, allowing even armoured targets to be killed by random shot hitting the face and other unarmoured parts of the body. In the event that the user wishes to penetrate body armour, then the option exists to use shells loaded with 4 tungsten flechettes, or a solid slug, both of which are capable of bringing down armoured targets.

Under-slung flamethrower
As well as regular attachments such as bayonets, under-slung shotguns, and under-slung grenade launchers, the AAS-98 has an unusual attachment in the form of a one shot flame thrower. The AAS-98 can have the USSSFTA-02 (Under-Slung Single Shot Flame Thrower Attachment 2002.) As the long form of its name suggests, the USSSFTA-02 is a rail attached under-slung flame thrower, with a small tank, only capable of one or two short bursts. The main role of the USSSFTA-02 is to be used in assaulting bunkers, where the user simply inserts the nozzle into a opening in the bunker, and uses his one shot to roast the occupants alive. The USSSFTA-02 has a maximum range of 10 meters, and can be fired for 3 seconds straight. The fuel and pressurized gas tank combined weigh 10.5 kg, and are small enough for a soldier to carry one or two extra tanks.

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Postby Krakadarek » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:20 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

It is used for blasting through walls as most houses in krakadarek are made out of cinder blocks.
And it is fired from the hip so only the barrel in front of the fore grip sticks out.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:21 pm

New Nicksyllvania wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

Moar length for CQB, bayonets man bayonets

1.4 meters? It literally will be bumping into something every time you turn a corner. If you want it to be manly long, make it a short rifle with a 700mm long bayonet or something.
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Postby Krakadarek » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:23 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

Moar length for CQB, bayonets man bayonets

1.4 meters? It literally will be bumping into something every time you turn a corner. If you want it to be manly long, make it a short rifle with a 700mm long bayonet or something.

It wont bump into anything if you lift it when exiting a building.
And they are mostly used to blast through walls with steel slugs.
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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:26 pm

Krakadarek wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

Moar length for CQB, bayonets man bayonets

1.4 meters? It literally will be bumping into something every time you turn a corner. If you want it to be manly long, make it a short rifle with a 700mm long bayonet or something.

It wont bump into anything if you lift it when exiting a building.
And they are mostly used to blast through walls with steel slugs.

Even if you fire from the hip the rifle will be effectively about 1.2 meters long, still freakishly long, also, why are you shooting through buildings with infantry weapons? If your buildings were made out of glass it would make sense, since you could see the people behind walls, but a long, heavy shotgun designed only for firing slugs through walls is painfully over specialized, and a great way to piss off logistics officers, and the poor saps carrying those guns.
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Image

Name: AAS-98 (Automatic Assault Shotgun 1998)
Manufacturer: Yorktown Armaments
Year: 1998
Length: 850mm
Barrel Length: 430mm
Weight: 3.8 kg unloaded
Action: Lever Delayed Blowback
Rate of Fire: 1,200 RPM
Cartridge: 28 gauge
Feed System: 15 round magazine, or 50 round drum
Cost: $930
$125 for USSSFTA-02
DPRs: $930 million
$125 million for USSSFTA-02

History
The AAS-98 was developed in the late 90's as an export rifle which would be marketed to foreign nations as an assault shotgun. The goal of the AAS was to be a fully automatic shotgun with the ability to put out enough lead to clear out a room in only a few seconds regardless of the number of people defending it. The first problem in designing the AAS-98 was the decision over which size shell to use, some people in Yorktown Armaments proposed a 10 gauge shell, other proposed 12, 20, and 28 gauge shells. In the end, it was decided that a 28 gauge shell would be much easier to control on full auto, and it was decided to chamber the AAS-98 in 28 gauge. The first prototype of the AAs-98 was finished in 1996 and after 15 months of testing, and modification, mass production began in early 1998. In 2010, Yorktown Armaments made a deal with The Royal Britannian Arms Manufacturing Co., where by RBAM would produce and sell the AAS-98 with Yorktown Armaments receiving 50% of all profits.

Design
The AAS-98 operates on a lever delayed blowback system, where leverage is used to delay the opening of the breech. The cartridge fired by the AAS-98 is a 28 gauge shotgun shell, offered in shot, slugs, and flechettes. The very high rate of fire allows the shooter to put out hundreds of projectiles in one second, allowing even armoured targets to be killed by random shot hitting the face and other unarmoured parts of the body. In the event that the user wishes to penetrate body armour, then the option exists to use shells loaded with 4 tungsten flechettes, or a solid slug, both of which are capable of bringing down armoured targets.

Under-slung flamethrower
As well as regular attachments such as bayonets, under-slung shotguns, and under-slung grenade launchers, the AAS-98 has an unusual attachment in the form of a one shot flame thrower. The AAS-98 can have the USSSFTA-02 (Under-Slung Single Shot Flame Thrower Attachment 2002.) As the long form of its name suggests, the USSSFTA-02 is a rail attached under-slung flame thrower, with a small tank, only capable of one or two short bursts. The main role of the USSSFTA-02 is to be used in assaulting bunkers, where the user simply inserts the nozzle into a opening in the bunker, and uses his one shot to roast the occupants alive. The USSSFTA-02 has a maximum range of 10 meters, and can be fired for 3 seconds straight. The fuel and pressurized gas tank combined weigh 10.5 kg, and are small enough for a soldier to carry one or two extra tanks.
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Postby Krakadarek » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:28 pm

The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

Moar length for CQB, bayonets man bayonets

1.4 meters? It literally will be bumping into something every time you turn a corner. If you want it to be manly long, make it a short rifle with a 700mm long bayonet or something.

It wont bump into anything if you lift it when exiting a building.
And they are mostly used to blast through walls with steel slugs.

Even if you fire from the hip the rifle will be effectively about 1.2 meters long, still freakishly long, also, why are you shooting through buildings with infantry weapons? If your buildings were made out of glass it would make sense, since you could see the people behind walls, but a long, heavy shotgun designed only for firing slugs through walls is painfully over specialized, and a great way to piss off logistics officers, and the poor saps carrying those guns.

Our civil war proves they just tear people apart.
And it has a long range for a shotgun.
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Postby Ramsetia » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:29 pm

Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
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The only use I could see for this weapon is as a street-clearing emplacement (bi- or tri-pod) automatic shotgun firing slug or flechette. It'd be unwieldy at best, and dangerously cumbersome at worst while on the move.
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Postby Satirius » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:32 pm

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Postby The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:34 pm

Krakadarek wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
New Nicksyllvania wrote:
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:
Krakadarek wrote:http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=63019&hilit=urban
http://img72.imageshack.us/f/fleshgrinder.jpg/
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What purpose could it ever serve? It is useless at any long ranges, making it useless as an LMG, and it is far too long to ever use in CQB, where shotguns are generally used as entry weapons.

Moar length for CQB, bayonets man bayonets

1.4 meters? It literally will be bumping into something every time you turn a corner. If you want it to be manly long, make it a short rifle with a 700mm long bayonet or something.

It wont bump into anything if you lift it when exiting a building.
And they are mostly used to blast through walls with steel slugs.

Even if you fire from the hip the rifle will be effectively about 1.2 meters long, still freakishly long, also, why are you shooting through buildings with infantry weapons? If your buildings were made out of glass it would make sense, since you could see the people behind walls, but a long, heavy shotgun designed only for firing slugs through walls is painfully over specialized, and a great way to piss off logistics officers, and the poor saps carrying those guns.

Our civil war proves they just tear people apart.
And it has a long range for a shotgun.

Okay, so the poor bastard stuck with your shot gun must carry his long heavy gun to under 100 within a building, and open fire on it, hoping to god that no one decides to shoot him in the legs to watch his shotgun crush him (for the lulz). Seriously, deploying these guys would be worse than deploying flame throwers in cities, they each are very vulnerable, and must get close to the enemy to engage them. Also, you could simply fire AP rifle ammo at a building, and get the same results, without messing up your logistics, and sending hundreds of soldiers to certain death by giving them a gun bigger than a small child.
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Postby Austria-russia » Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:39 pm

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