What is the main military weapon of your country?

[Satirius]

A few pages back it was hinted that banging the butt several times on the ground to knock the bullet into place replaced usage of the ramrod, and some units could average 4rpm instead of 3rpm.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I thought trained minute men could get off quite a few shots in a minute, like 6-12?

If I remember correctly, it takes about 30 seconds for a trained soldier to reload, and that was in the Civil War

I think Kivigrad is right, but 12 rpm seems far too high, I think 4-8 would be more realistic. Also why even include the rate of fire for a musket, it is like including the rate of fire for a bolt action rifle, or a lever action rifle, it depends on the user.

[Techno-Soviet]

They had to do that with the M60E3

with a motherfucking asbestos glove since it was that hot.

Yeah those gloves were lost pretty easily.

Ouch.

[Kivigrad]

Mk.4 Battle Rifle with UGL

[Bafuria]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

[Satirius]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

[Byelorussian SSR]

Actually, I was looking for a weapon for my paratroopers and a modern M-1 Carbine would be beast.

Nothing is wrong with the BAR design, just modernize the stats

The top one is basically the coolest thing to come out of PMG. it's pretty awesome. congrats.

They are nice, too bad they're stolen out of the PMG Flickr group...

[Reygo]

The SRAR-40, is the main assault weapon used in Reygo.

[Bafuria]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

[Satirius]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

[Kivigrad]

Mk.4 Battle Rifle with UGL

Here are the stats for the standard rifle, how much weight should I add for the UGL? And what do you all think, does it look right?

Mk.4 Battle Rifle stats


Weight: 8.14 lb
Length: 32.1 in
Barrel Length: 24 in

Caliber: 6.8 SPC (6.8x43mm)
Operation: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Fire Rate: 700-950 RPM (depending on firing mode)
Muzzle Velocity: 2950 ft/s
Effective Range: 550 yards
Maximum Range: 1000 yards
Feed System: 30 round synthetic box magazine
Sights: Integrated dual scope system, 3.5 magnification scope on bottom with a completely independent 1x illuminated cross hair scope on top. The 1x scope can operate without power.

[Bafuria]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

This is turning into a medieval version of the intermediate vs. full power rifle round debate.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Exactly, crossbows have a much shorter range than muskets. They also have far less armour penetration, and require more skill and craftsmanship. Seriously a rifle is just a tube closed off a one end, with a hole to stick a match or spark in, it is simply, and far better than bows of any kind.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

This is turning into a medieval version of the intermediate vs. full power rifle round debate.

No it isn't, muskets have every advantage over crossbows, and many advantages over long and recurve bows.

[Bafuria]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

This is turning into a medieval version of the intermediate vs. full power rifle round debate.

No it isn't, muskets have every advantage over crossbows, and many advantages over long and recurve bows.

Muskets had an effective range of 50 meters, the same effective range crossbows had.
Crossbows on the other hand had a much higher rate of fire, Chu-ko-nu's for example could fire 10 bolts from a top mounted magazine in 15 seconds.

But more modern, rifled muskets were better on the other hand.

[Kaiser William the 4th]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

This is turning into a medieval version of the intermediate vs. full power rifle round debate.

No it isn't, muskets have every advantage over crossbows, and many advantages over long and recurve bows.

Musket (medieval)
Pros:
*Can be made quickly and didn't require skilled making
*Had high penetration which could pierce almost all forms of medieval armor
*Easy to use and soldiers could be trained quickly on how to use them
*Musket balls/gunpowder were easy to produce
Cons:
*Early medieval muskets were heavy and as a result, not very accurate
* They could easily jam, and at the time it would require pulling the entire weapon apart and putting it back together at a special blacksmith to fix it
*Early muskets had about a 100yd effective range
*Takes a loooong time to reload
*Rain could wet the powder and render the weapon useless

Longbow
Pros:
*Had an effective range of about 200yds
*Were light and allowed maneuverability of the operator
*In the hands of an expert, longbows could be extremely accurate
*Longbows could be reloaded quickly
Cons:
*Longbows (and their arrows) took craftsmanship to make
*They did not have a high penetration and it was possible for people to survive them, or with strong enough armor, they could be deflected completely
*Wind could affect the arrows path or the operator would have to make additional adjustments to combat the wind
*Requires a lot of skill and long training to be able to use a longbow

These were just some pros/cons of each. Overall I would go with the musket (as long as it isn't raining), but I can see why people would choose longbows.

[Bafuria]

Muskets?

Give your soldiers longbows, they have greater effective range and a much higher rate of fire.

longbows require training, years of it

If you don't have the time you can use crossbows.
They have a lower rate of fire, but they still beat muskets.

Muskets are easily made and can be trained for in like an afternoon, also handily defeats all armor of the period

There's a reason why archery died as a real military practice

This is turning into a medieval version of the intermediate vs. full power rifle round debate.

No it isn't, muskets have every advantage over crossbows, and many advantages over long and recurve bows.

Musket (medieval)
Pros:
*Can be made quickly and didn't require skilled making
*Had high penetration which could pierce almost all forms of medieval armor
*Easy to use and soldiers could be trained quickly on how to use them
*Musket balls/gunpowder were easy to produce
Cons:
*Early medieval muskets were heavy and as a result, not very accurate
* They could easily jam, and at the time it would require pulling the entire weapon apart and putting it back together at a special blacksmith to fix it
*Early muskets had about a 100yd effective range
*Takes a loooong time to reload
*Rain could wet the powder and render the weapon useless

Longbow
Pros:
*Had an effective range of about 200yds
*Were light and allowed maneuverability of the operator
*In the hands of an expert, longbows could be extremely accurate
*Longbows could be reloaded quickly
Cons:
*Longbows (and their arrows) took craftsmanship to make
*They did not have a high penetration and it was possible for people to survive them, or with strong enough armor, they could be deflected completely
*Wind could affect the arrows path or the operator would have to make additional adjustments to combat the wind
*Requires a lot of skill and long training to be able to use a longbow

These were just some pros/cons of each. Overall I would go with the musket (as long as it isn't raining), but I can see why people would choose longbows.

The way I see it, 14th century matchlock muskets < bows

18th century rifled flintlock muskets > bows

[Kivigrad]

Here are the stats for the standard rifle, how much weight should I add for the UGL? And what do you all think, does it look right?

Mk.4 Battle Rifle stats


Weight: 8.14 lb
Length: 32.1 in
Barrel Length: 24 in

Caliber: 6.8 SPC (6.8x43mm)
Operation: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Fire Rate: 700-950 RPM (depending on firing mode)
Muzzle Velocity: 2950 ft/s
Effective Range: 550 yards
Maximum Range: 1000 yards
Feed System: 30 round synthetic box magazine
Sights: Integrated dual scope system, 3.5 magnification scope on bottom with a completely independent 1x illuminated cross hair scope on top. The 1x scope can operate without power.

[Satirius]

show more mag unless quadstacking.

also, I found something that shares a similar ejection system to yours.

[Kivigrad]

show more mag unless quadstacking.

also, I found something that shares a similar ejection system to yours.

I meant in relation to the UGL. I know you guys think the mag is a little small, I'm going to play it off for now, as when I did my measurements it was barely off, the mag is approximately 6-7 inches and for 30 rounds doublestack you need a little over 7.


And thanks for that link, I'll look more into that.

[Espardica]

show more mag unless quadstacking.

also, I found something that shares a similar ejection system to yours.

I heard the P90 ejects like that as well.

[Satirius]

show more mag unless quadstacking.

also, I found something that shares a similar ejection system to yours.

I heard the P90 ejects like that as well.

P90 feeds from the top tho

The TKB-059 feeds like his rife and ejects down and back

[Espardica]

Okay, for a minute I just thought you guys hadn't been sure if there was a gun that ejected from the bottom until now.

I see what you're saying now, though.

Here's a picture of one, btw.

[Senestrum]

not sure if you want to use that for inspiration

[Espardica]

That mag is freakin' thick.