Creating You (Make Your Own Everything) V.2

[Xekliv]

I suggest you go back and read what has actually been said.

What he meant was "artillery wins battles".

Nuclear weapons are the current epitome of the artillery branch as of the 21st c.

[Premislyd]

I think the suggestions mentioned were originally for Sevvania's truck some pages back. You posted your trucks around the same time.

I suggested Katyusha for Sevvania's, and now I'll suggest it for yours.

Really? Cause I sure don't see anyone else's truck that was posted around the same time as mine and plus my post was quoted in the people's stuff. And I ain't putting something from around 1940 in my Steampunk 1910's truck.

put some riflemen in the back of the truck. like some 1915 French or Tommy soldier (Tommy is American and British)

This is for my own Nation. And I've got my own soldiers. And I will put people when I'm done with it.

Ever think that maybe if you can't think of anything else to do with it, then you're done with it?

[Xekliv]

Infantry is not the backbone of the military, nor has it been for at least a couple of centuries. Is it vital? Yes. Is it numerous? Yes. Could your military do without it? No. But that doesn't make it the backbone of the military.

"It's the backbone of the military, but that doesn't make it the backbone of the military."

[Den Svenska Riket]

ok sorry dude, what page is the truck on and I will look at it. I may not know how to do this but I can design things if that makes sence to you.

Page 34.

well when I think of a Steampunk wheel I think of something with spokes, like 5 or 6 spokes. usually I think golden, maybe make the engine compartment a little rounder in the front to make it look more boilerish. I have a great idea! do the wheels like a train. see hoe the front of the train is rounded? and the wheels are connected to the steam engine by bars? I think Steampunk takes a lot from steam machines like trains. stop the arguing too. dont get the thread locked.

[Almire]

Do you have warheads to defend your country too?

Do you nuke your own people when your country gets invaded?

And if not, who the hell is going to drive your vehicles?

Do they drive themselves? Are they AI?

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) The people trained to. Gallan teenagers are trained to operate Patria Pasis and Unimog trucks, and conduct small unit tactical operations in secondary school as part of the Militia system.
4&5) snip

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

I suggest you go back and read what has actually been said.

What he meant was "artillery wins battles".

Nuclear weapons are the current epitome of the artillery branch as of the 21st c.

I suggest you attempt to read the post you are quoting.

Infantry is not the backbone of the military, nor has it been for at least a couple of centuries. Is it vital? Yes. Is it numerous? Yes. Could your military do without it? No. But that doesn't make it the backbone of the military.

"It's the backbone of the military, but that doesn't make it the backbone of the military."

There's plenty of vital, numerous things that you couldn't do without. That doesn't make it the goddamned backbone.

[Fashiontopia]

It's not the only thing placed on the battlefield. Why do you insist on putting words in other people's mouths?

Infantry is not the backbone of the military, nor has it been for at least a couple of centuries. Is it vital? Yes. Is it numerous? Yes. Could your military do without it? No. But that doesn't make it the backbone of the military.

Centuries? In WWI sure Artillery paved the way but what we mean by backbone is that Infantry does all the dirty work and is who should be valued the most. Without Infantry the Artillery couldn't win the war by itself... without Artillery eventually one side would have quit due to immense losses or because the fighting became pointless.

In WWII, sure Tanks and Planes paved the way... but of all things... D-Day... not a Tank or Artillery piece in sight and Planes passing over OCCASIONALLY not there the whole time, the Infantry had to fight it's way up the beach by itself. The swarm of Infantry made the Germans retreat the Artillery and the Planes only made them duck for cover. Big difference.

In Korea, Infantry

In Vietnam... even though America didn't win we used mostly Infantry, but the Vietnamese used MOSTLY Infantry and forced one of the greatest militaries in the world to leave the country (even though the media and the peace/love movement also played a role)

In Desert Storm, Infantry

In Iraq, Infantry

In Afghanistan, Infantry

This is not a video game my friend... in real life Infantry is far more important than your fantasy video game world were a swarm of tanks is the only thing that works.

[Anomalous Research and Containment]

When you look at people who died in wars, most of them died from artillery.

Your argument is invalid.

You can't send 100,000 tanks into a war to make sure that a front is maintained so you need someone to do it.

Your argument is invalid because you're not counting on the enemy using conventional war tactics... you're thinking that you're facing insurgents in which it is certainly easier to level compounds than to send men in to filter them out.

What if their are enemy troops that only hide amongst innocent civilians and/or ancient landmarks that are important to not be destroyed? You can't use artillery because then you'll be killing innocent people or destroying landmarks that deserve to be preserved. No one would destroy the Effel tower or the Pyramids, or the Tower of Pisa or the Colosseum just because you don't feel like sending infantry in to flush the enemy out.

Longstory short Infantry are like drain CLEANER, artillery is like drain BLASTER... you're not trying to destroy the innocence or the landscape you're only trying to defeat an enemy.

Massing artillery and nuclear weapons is conventional, high-intensity warfare.

Of course Galla, lacking in subtlety, sees no real difference between high and low-intensity warfare. It rampages through the countryside like a bunch of hash smoking US Marines in Vietnam or Iraq, so you do have an argument that mass artillery might be questionable in low-intensity warfare, but since the nuclear weapon forms the basis of Gallan military doctrine, your argument is rendered invalid. Again.

My doctrine, your rules.

I win.

As a matter of fact, he's not saying that infantry isn't needed.

But you are.

No, she isn't.

She's saying that infantry just don't do a lot compared to artillery, since artillery is what actually kills the enemy while infantry just mop up the survivors with bayonets and grenades and consolidate while artillery bombs the inevitable counterattack.

1) Yes.
2) Yes.
3) The people trained to. Gallan teenagers are trained to operate Patria Pasis and Unimog trucks, and conduct small unit tactical operations in secondary school as part of the Militia system.
4&5) snip

Why rofl?

It's not the only thing placed on the battlefield. Why do you insist on putting words in other people's mouths?

Infantry is not the backbone of the military, nor has it been for at least a couple of centuries. Is it vital? Yes. Is it numerous? Yes. Could your military do without it? No. But that doesn't make it the backbone of the military.

Centuries? In WWI sure Artillery paved the way but what we mean by backbone is that Infantry does all the dirty work and is who should be valued the most. Without Infantry the Artillery couldn't win the war by itself... without Artillery eventually one side would have quit due to immense losses or because the fighting became pointless.

In WWII, sure Tanks and Planes paved the way... but of all things... D-Day... not a Tank or Artillery piece in sight and Planes passing over OCCASIONALLY not there the whole time, the Infantry had to fight it's way up the beach by itself. The swarm of Infantry made the Germans retreat the Artillery and the Planes only made them duck for cover. Big difference.

In Korea, Infantry

In Vietnam... even though America didn't win we used mostly Infantry, but the Vietnamese used MOSTLY Infantry and forced one of the greatest militaries in the world to leave the country (even though the media and the peace/love movement also played a role)

In Desert Storm, Infantry

In Iraq, Infantry

In Afghanistan, Infantry

This is not a video game my friend... in real life Infantry is far more important than your fantasy video game world were a swarm of tanks is the only thing that works.

Do you even read what you're saying?

[Alimeria II]

Page 34.

well when I think of a Steampunk wheel I think of something with spokes, like 5 or 6 spokes. usually I think golden, maybe make the engine compartment a little rounder in the front to make it look more boilerish. I have a great idea! do the wheels like a train. see hoe the front of the train is rounded? and the wheels are connected to the steam engine by bars? I think Steampunk takes a lot from steam machines like trains. stop the arguing too. dont get the thread locked.

Ever heard of a Steam Wagon? I going with something more like that. And I took the Boiler from a Train off Junior General. I think it doesn't need to be rounded anymore. Plus the whole wheel connecting thing was already suggested. And I decided it was too complicated for me to draw. And I don't really care much about the wheels.

[Den Svenska Riket]

well when I think of a Steampunk wheel I think of something with spokes, like 5 or 6 spokes. usually I think golden, maybe make the engine compartment a little rounder in the front to make it look more boilerish. I have a great idea! do the wheels like a train. see hoe the front of the train is rounded? and the wheels are connected to the steam engine by bars? I think Steampunk takes a lot from steam machines like trains. stop the arguing too. dont get the thread locked.

Ever heard of a Steam Wagon? I going with something more like that. And I took the Boiler from a Train off Junior General. I think it doesn't need to be rounded anymore. Plus the whole wheel connecting thing was already suggested. And I decided it was too complicated for me to draw. And I don't really care much about the wheels.

I just got shot down I think you are done minus the people my friend

[Almire]

Obv infantry are essential! An infantryman is the most versatile unit on the battlefield! An infantry unit clears houses with little collateral damge, use AT missiles on tanks, & DEFEND YOUR PRECIOUS ARTY

[Anomalous Research and Containment]

Obv infantry are essential! An infantryman is the most versatile unit on the battlefield! An infantry unit clears houses with little collateral damge, use AT missiles on tanks, & DEFEND YOUR PRECIOUS ARTY

What supports the infantryman the most in the assault or on the defence?

Not his rifle. Not his grenades. Not even his bayonet, but the lowly cannonier, and his cannon.

[Xekliv]

[quote=Anomalous Research and Containment]No, she isn't.[/quote]

Infantry do jack shit besides hold ground.

[Anomalous Research and Containment]

No, she isn't.

Infantry do jack shit besides hold ground.

Yeah, I'm not seeing "useless" at all there.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

Obv infantry are essential! An infantryman is the most versatile unit on the battlefield! An infantry unit clears houses with little collateral damge, use AT missiles on tanks, & DEFEND YOUR PRECIOUS ARTY

There are lots of vital and essential things. Does that mean your military has lots of backbones?

Personally, I would say the backbone of the military is the logistics branch, but that's just me.

No, she isn't.

Infantry do jack shit besides hold ground.

Thank you for proving yourself wrong. Holding ground is actually kind of important.

[Fashiontopia]

Of course Galla, lacking in subtlety, sees no real difference between high and low-intensity warfare. It rampages through the countryside like a bunch of hash smoking US Marines in Vietnam or Iraq, so you do have an argument that mass artillery might be questionable in low-intensity warfare, but since the nuclear weapon forms the basis of Gallan military doctrine, your argument is rendered invalid. Again.

My doctrine, your rules.

I win.

"My doctrine, your rules. I win"? Is there any maturity factor?

That's basically like n00b RPs where some n00b comes up and hits the red button and yells I win like it's a game of UNO or Battleship...

In high-intensity warfare still no one is going to resort to nuclear war for the simple fact that no one save Hitler and guys who go crazy with conspiracy theories in their moms' basements. Of course Artillery is a crucial tool... but if you had no Infantry what are you going to do bomb every inch of an enemies territory until everyone is dead... and unless it's a nuke you're even killing cockroaches...

This is not Biblical times where God ordered the Hebrews to kill the people the crops and the livestock of an enemy. You only need to kill enemy combatants. Infantry does that without having to destroy everything people love. It's already bad enough to take their loved ones lives on the battlefield. But after they run home because you bomb them to shit they still have to be killed which means artillery bombings on innocence...

[Xekliv]

[quote=Anomalous Research and Containment]No, she isn't.

Infantry do jack shit besides hold ground.

Yeah, I'm not seeing "useless" at all there.[/quote]

Are you so fucking dense that you need to physically see a word in order to understand the message in the sentence, or are you just thinking up excuses because you know you're losing?

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

Of course Galla, lacking in subtlety, sees no real difference between high and low-intensity warfare. It rampages through the countryside like a bunch of hash smoking US Marines in Vietnam or Iraq, so you do have an argument that mass artillery might be questionable in low-intensity warfare, but since the nuclear weapon forms the basis of Gallan military doctrine, your argument is rendered invalid. Again.

My doctrine, your rules.

I win.

In high-intensity warfare still no one is going to resort to nuclear war for the simple fact that no one save Hitler and guys who go crazy with conspiracy theories in their moms' basements.

And all those military strategists who have been around in the last sixty years.

Of course Artillery is a crucial tool... but if you had no Infantry what are you going to do bomb every inch of an enemies territory until everyone is dead... and unless it's a nuke you're even killing cockroaches...

I see you haven't been reading either.

[Xekliv]

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

I didn't prove myself wrong. He said that you didn't say militsry was useless and I quotes you saying it was.

[Fashiontopia]

Of course Artillery is a crucial tool... but if you had no Infantry what are you going to do bomb every inch of an enemies territory until everyone is dead... and unless it's a nuke you're even killing cockroaches...

I see you haven't been reading either.

Yeah cause yall muhhfuggas talk too much for me to read before I have to reply or be drowned out by a sea of opinions...

Opinions are like assholes so who gives a shit....

Anyway back to art... don't make me have to spam the thread with my stuff to get this back on track..

[Alimeria II]

Now that I think about it, I probably should armor my truck.

Any suggestions? I'll also make a Tank Turret one.

[Den Svenska Riket]

Now that I think about it, I probably should armor my truck.

Any suggestions? I'll also make a Tank Turret one.

armour skirts, and maybe some on the bed of the truck instead of wood

[Fashiontopia]

This is finished... I can't stand to look at it anymore because the constant urge to add more detail rises up.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

Thank you for proving yourself wrong.

I didn't prove myself wrong. He said that you didn't say militsry was useless and I quotes you saying it was.

Except I didn't. Which you would see if you took a moment to actually read it.

I am sorry I assumed people would at least know that holding ground is a fairly important task. Maybe I will spell it out in big letters next time.

[Fashiontopia]

I didn't prove myself wrong. He said that you didn't say militsry was useless and I quotes you saying it was.

Except I didn't. Which you would see if you took a moment to actually read it.

I am sorry I assumed people would at least know that holding ground is a fairly important task. Maybe I will spell it out in big letters next time.

Okay, shut up...