NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2

[Vitaphone Racing]

So, how's the progress of the design of the plane? Has it reach the development stage?

Still waiting for someone to answer my bloody engine question. I reposted it 2 times already and am getting sick of waiting. I am doing research on Radar and a few other things thou. So at least that is going good. But without engines the bird just won't fly.

Is it to do with that variable geometry inlet you posted?

I'd ask No endorse.

[Purpelia]

They're cascaded down. A bttn has a Support Coy, which is broken into Support Platoons. Support Platoon for each COy =

• 2 81mm Mortars
• 2 LRATGMs
• 2 HMGs
• 2 ManPADS

Also, that's erring into the 'for the sake of money spending' It doesn't seem to offer much of a benefit in performance.

Also, Kouralian military is perfectly sane.
>Not sane according to the man who issues pickelhaubes and whose men treat the spike like their only child!

Oh, my battalions are much heavier than. Than again, my motor rifles are actually heavy mechanized infantry. And are meant to be the muscle operating along side more regular units. Basically each of my Motor Rifle Battalions consists of the following combat units (support is excluded for the sake of simplicity):

1 x Tank Company
1 x Command Platoon
3 x Tank Platoon
4 x Tank (My last generation tanks updated to new standards, think M-60-2000)
1 x Support Platoon (still in beta so no idea what I'll put here)

3 x Motor Rifle Company
1 x Command Platoon
1 x Mortar Platoon
1 x Command Section
3 x APC with a Gun Mortar (think this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2B9_Vasilek but on the turret of an APC)
3 x Motor Rifle Platoon
1 x Command Section
1 x Heavy Weapons Section
2 x GMG Team
3 x RPG-29 Team
3 x Motor Rifle Squad

1 x AA Company (Issued with Tunguska like mobile Gun-Missile AA units as well as pure IR missile units)

1 x Heavy Mortar Battery (8 x AMOS)

1 x 9K1 Battery (those ultra light rocket artillery platforms I designed) (still not sure if I will include this. I may drop it.)

Still waiting for someone to answer my bloody engine question. I reposted it 2 times already and am getting sick of waiting. I am doing research on Radar and a few other things thou. So at least that is going good. But without engines the bird just won't fly.

Is it to do with that variable geometry inlet you posted?

I'd ask No endorse.

I asked it here but he didn't notice. And yes, I am basically looking at it because it could give me the best of both worlds by being able to adapt to the altitude the airplane operates on. Obviously cost is going to be an issue, but than again it always is.

Still waiting for someone to answer my bloody engine question. I reposted it 2 times already and am getting sick of waiting. I am doing research on Radar and a few other things thou. So at least that is going good. But without engines the bird just won't fly.

What is the question, actually? I might help.

Here it is: viewtopic.php?p=13037874#p13037874

[Vitaphone Racing]

Go to #NSArms because he is usually on there or catch him on NSD. I'd like to help but altering induction isn't something I'm that familiar with and I don't like screwing people around.

[Altito Asmoro]

To continue on with my aircraft engine questions. The trail of links has led me from one place to another and finally to this:
http://publications.drdo.gov.in/gsdl/co ... ir/doc.pdf

Now the way I got there, as well as the repeated references to the Tornado and the RB199 in the document make me thing that this might be the engine Crockfur was talking about when he mentioned a lengthened RB199. Than again I might be absolutely and completely wrong. In that case this is just a very interesting curiosity.

Long story short apparently this is some sort of concept demonstrator that the British started work on in 82 and that apparently even at onset was meant to have a variable inlet geometry to provide variable bypass ratios at will. To quote:

With the wide bypass ratio variation between extreme operating points, variable geometry should offer aerodynamics advantages, although conflicting with cost, weight and reliability objectives. Demonstrations of both variable inlet guide vanes and variable outlet guide vanes are included in XG40 to compare with the datum design which has no inlet guide vanes.

O_O. Comments?

Maybe you can. Maybe you can't.

[Purpelia]

Maybe you can. Maybe you can't.

What are your general comments thou?

[Purpelia]

Go to #NSArms because he is usually on there or catch him on NSD. I'd like to help but altering induction isn't something I'm that familiar with and I don't like screwing people around.

The issue I have with going to NSD is that we had a whole conversation going over the last few weeks. And if I went there I would have to dredge it all up and copy paste it or else they would not understand the context.

Also, sorry for the double post. But it's late and I derped up. Gtg sleep.

[Altito Asmoro]

Maybe you can. Maybe you can't.

What are your general comments thou?

That's.....my comment.

[Spirit of Hope]

How much extra expense would it be to issue either all of my soldiers with battlefield tablets? Or should it just be officers and NCO's?

The idea is that it would link with other equipment on the battlefield (tanks, drones, that have you) for data sharing and distribution. Would probably also include a GPS, radio and attachments for laser designators or other equipment.

[The Corparation]

How much extra expense would it be to issue either all of my soldiers with battlefield tablets? Or should it just be officers and NCO's?

The idea is that it would link with other equipment on the battlefield (tanks, drones, that have you) for data sharing and distribution. Would probably also include a GPS, radio and attachments for laser designators or other equipment.

Why a tablet? Why not just use a smart phone?

[Spirit of Hope]

How much extra expense would it be to issue either all of my soldiers with battlefield tablets? Or should it just be officers and NCO's?

The idea is that it would link with other equipment on the battlefield (tanks, drones, that have you) for data sharing and distribution. Would probably also include a GPS, radio and attachments for laser designators or other equipment.

Why a tablet? Why not just use a smart phone?

Probably could do a smart phone...though I would prefer a larger screen size. Have you ever tried to look at a map on an iPhone? I have, isn't the best experience.

I could give a smart phone to all troops, then officers receive the tablet to.

[Basque Socialist States]

Why a tablet? Why not just use a smart phone?

Probably could do a smart phone...though I would prefer a larger screen size. Have you ever tried to look at a map on an iPhone? I have, isn't the best experience.

I could give a smart phone to all troops, then officers receive the tablet to.

iArmy!

[The Akasha Colony]

Why a tablet? Why not just use a smart phone?

Probably could do a smart phone...though I would prefer a larger screen size. Have you ever tried to look at a map on an iPhone? I have, isn't the best experience.

I could give a smart phone to all troops, then officers receive the tablet to.

At the same time, have you ever tried to lug around a tablet on the battlefield? They're not small, and can't fold or bend like paper for easy stowage. A phablet size might be the absolute limit (~5 inches).

Relative to the costs of training and equipping a modern first-world soldier, a phone won't amount to much, if it can be procured in sufficiently large quantities and at a good rate. The Nexus 4 was at the cutting edge of civilian phone technology when it was released (and is still pretty close to that) and only cost $299, which was enough for LG to still make some kind of profit (Google denies taking a loss on sales and LG has confirmed they have no intentions of selling at-loss either). The problem is in all of those clunky military durability and reliability standards which skyrocket costs and development times.

[The Corparation]

Probably could do a smart phone...though I would prefer a larger screen size. Have you ever tried to look at a map on an iPhone? I have, isn't the best experience.

I could give a smart phone to all troops, then officers receive the tablet to.

At the same time, have you ever tried to lug around a tablet on the battlefield? They're not small, and can't fold or bend like paper for easy stowage. A phablet size might be the absolute limit (~5 inches).

Relative to the costs of training and equipping a modern first-world soldier, a phone won't amount to much, if it can be procured in sufficiently large quantities and at a good rate. The Nexus 4 was at the cutting edge of civilian phone technology when it was released (and is still pretty close to that) and only cost $299, which was enough for LG to still make some kind of profit (Google denies taking a loss on sales and LG has confirmed they have no intentions of selling at-loss either). The problem is in all of those clunky military durability and reliability standards which skyrocket costs and development times.

I need to do some quick digging, but as of now there are a few ruggedized smartphones out there already. My brother has one, fully water proofed, extremely resilient to damage, and has all of the abilities of any other smartphone. Wasn't that much more expensive than a regular smartphone.

[The Akasha Colony]

At the same time, have you ever tried to lug around a tablet on the battlefield? They're not small, and can't fold or bend like paper for easy stowage. A phablet size might be the absolute limit (~5 inches).

Relative to the costs of training and equipping a modern first-world soldier, a phone won't amount to much, if it can be procured in sufficiently large quantities and at a good rate. The Nexus 4 was at the cutting edge of civilian phone technology when it was released (and is still pretty close to that) and only cost $299, which was enough for LG to still make some kind of profit (Google denies taking a loss on sales and LG has confirmed they have no intentions of selling at-loss either). The problem is in all of those clunky military durability and reliability standards which skyrocket costs and development times.

I need to do some quick digging, but as of now there are a few ruggedized smartphones out there already. My brother has one, fully water proofed, extremely resilient to damage, and has all of the abilities of any other smartphone. Wasn't that much more expensive than a regular smartphone.

There are a number of ruggedized phones. Casio makes a line of them, among others. At the same time, they tend to be middle-of-the-road in specs at best. Making a high-spec and ruggedized phone gets expensive, and also makes it much thicker in most dimensions.

[Registug]

Depending on your tech level, you could look into those fancy new flexi-screens they're making.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Question!
Why is it that most modern militaries carry their magazines in small pouches that can only hold 1-3 mags, as opposed to larger ones that could hold 5-7?

I'm sure there's a reason (otherwise everyone wouldn't be doing it), but I can't seem to figure it out.

[The Akasha Colony]

Question!
Why is it that most modern militaries carry their magazines in small pouches that can only hold 1-3 mags, as opposed to larger ones that could hold 5-7?

I'm sure there's a reason (otherwise everyone wouldn't be doing it), but I can't seem to figure it out.

Much more secure, and somewhat quieter. But mostly better security. With one magazine per pouch (as is standard), if you pull the magazine out, it doesn't disturb any others. But if you have several in one pouch, assuming they're packed tightly, if you take one out, then the others are now loose and can jostle around or fall out. They can also be mounted individually flat against the plate carrier, making crawling easier.

Weight and bulk are the big issues anyway; the standard US infantryman carries six magazines, so having a big single pouch wouldn't be very helpful since the capacity wouldn't be used.

[The Archangel Conglomerate]

Alright then. That does make sense.

How do you mean "The capacity wouldn't be used"?

[Moriskov]

Okay I need a question answered. Is my ICBM platform to big? Based it off the Topal-M (obviously) You can also stare at the the other things in here as well.
http://i.imgur.com/iIvTKKa.png

[The Akasha Colony]

Alright then. That does make sense.

How do you mean "The capacity wouldn't be used"?

If you had a 7-magazine pouch, as you suggested, the extra space wouldn't be used since troops only carry six magazines. If you had a larger pouch, that would still apply. If it were exactly six, it'd work until the soldier loads their gun with their first magazine, at which point the magazines still in the pouch would start jostling. If it were a five-mag pouch, then they'd have an extra mag floating somewhere when it isn't loaded into the gun.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Go to #NSArms because he is usually on there or catch him on NSD. I'd like to help but altering induction isn't something I'm that familiar with and I don't like screwing people around.

The issue I have with going to NSD is that we had a whole conversation going over the last few weeks. And if I went there I would have to dredge it all up and copy paste it or else they would not understand the context.

Also, sorry for the double post. But it's late and I derped up. Gtg sleep.

Anyway, I did some digging and the XG40 was further developed into a production engine, the EJ200 which powers the Eurofighter. If you're asking whether or not it's a feasible idea, definitely yes.

[Stalingradna]

I know that firing lines and blocks are old, but I just had an idea.
They're old because they're stationary, which allows stuff like arty and no airpower to be used against them.
But what if they moved? What if the line of two hundred men in two lines fragmented into eight twenty-five man diamonds, with three going left, the going right, and two center before forming back up into a U-shaped line?
In my mind, massed firepower=AWESOME. Of course, airpower is still a problem, but arty? Not so much. And airpower will always be a problem.
So, what do you guys think?

[Kouralia]

I know that firing lines and blocks are old, but I just had an idea.
They're old because they're stationary, which allows stuff like arty and no airpower to be used against them.
But what if they moved? What if the line of two hundred men in two lines fragmented into eight twenty-five man diamonds, with three going left, the going right, and two center before forming back up into a U-shaped line?
In my mind, massed firepower=AWESOME. Of course, airpower is still a problem, but arty? Not so much. And airpower will always be a problem.
So, what do you guys think?

Lines are still used. For example, in a British Army Advance to Contact, the Arrow-head formation is used across open ground until they are engaged. Then they form a line - 8 men with about 10m between each of them. Reason being that, IIRC, 155mm can get a kill in something like 50m to each side.

ALso, Infantry isn't where your massed firepower comes from. That's what the air-support is for.

Hmm... My army is 1 million people out of 1.5 or so Billion people. It's a very strong economy, with lots of stuffs and win.

It's first world, and this is acceptable as I am like a babby-tier super-power in my region. So this is for all intents and purposes realistic. How can I lulzify my Army to make it ultra-tech'd up and advanced?

• My military already has more Armoured Regiments than Light Role Infantry Battalions, and is working on replacing all APCs in Mechanised units with IFVs.
• Those Black Hornet UAVs will be deployed at Platoon level, carried by the commander.
• NETWORK ALL THE THINGS. By this I mean we operate a kind-of lulz HUD which basically enables Way-points to be programmed in, it shows things like which channels the user's radio is connected to, it can show who is talking, it can flash alerts from the platoon commander. Not much else. It requires a reasonable length of time to transfer data in the field to update itself - though it enables pings to go out from units. So, a Kouralian infantry platoon could ping out before leaving a tree-line and an armoured column would receive the encoded signal if within range.
• PRRs and all of the shits for all of the men. Though this is as standard.
• Helmet-Cams mandatory for all men (unless OpSec demands otherwise).
• MOAR UAVS! Those back-pack hunter-killer ones might be stashed away at company level in the Signalers' vans.
• Laser designators for pretty much *all* AFVs and all Corporals and above to properly bring in the hurt.

Any other ways of making my army lulzy? It already had a very heavily professional, training and elite mentality.

Repostlololol

[Registug]

I haven't worked on my tank in a month.

It remains a gun and an engine only, with no lineart and no other stats.

I'm bad at designing things T~T

[Elan Valleys]

Why would you want a helmet cam?

It'll just get you into trouble.