NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2

[Spirit of Hope]

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Yes we are talking about the same thing.

I just don't think a company level commander should be more than 1k from his unit and action. However in the end it all comes down to geography unit equipment and dozens of other noodle things.

[Purpelia]

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Yes we are talking about the same thing.

I just don't think a company level commander should be more than 1k from his unit and action. However in the end it all comes down to geography unit equipment and dozens of other noodle things.

I think there was some document or something on the draftroom listing unit frontages. But I am not sure. Do you have any clue about such a thing?

[The Kievan People]

Feasibility of issuing sidearms to all troops as a last-last-ditch weapon?

Only if they are pepperbox revolvers.

[Gawdzendia]

Anyone have any idea as to the most effective/efficient means of deploying a Casaba Howitzer in atmosphere?

Don't look at me like that. This is serious business guys.

As of now, the only thing I can think of is as a;

a) Warhead on a Missile
b) Artillery fired projectile

I'm not sure how large one of these shells/containers/whathaveyou has to be, but I've got a feeling it might be just a bit too big to mount on a cruise missile. The flipside is if its too big to put on a missile, the gun needed to fire it would have to be monstrous.

Long story short, future (for the 50's - 60's) space weapon - a 'nuclear shaped charge' - being used in atmosphere against hardened targets, ships, whatever I hate at that moment.

Thoughts?

[Aqizithiuda]

Anyone have any idea as to the most effective/efficient means of deploying a Casaba Howitzer in atmosphere?

Don't look at me like that. This is serious business guys.

As of now, the only thing I can think of is as a;

a) Warhead on a Missile
b) Artillery fired projectile

I'm not sure how large one of these shells/containers/whathaveyou has to be, but I've got a feeling it might be just a bit too big to mount on a cruise missile. The flipside is if its too big to put on a missile, the gun needed to fire it would have to be monstrous.

Long story short, future (for the 50's - 60's) space weapon - a 'nuclear shaped charge' - being used in atmosphere against hardened targets, ships, whatever I hate at that moment.

Thoughts?

Cruise missiles are probably capable of carrying a casaba howitzer ( http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/r ... ed_Charges)

[The Corparation]

Anyone have any idea as to the most effective/efficient means of deploying a Casaba Howitzer in atmosphere?

Don't look at me like that. This is serious business guys.

As of now, the only thing I can think of is as a;

a) Warhead on a Missile
b) Artillery fired projectile

I'm not sure how large one of these shells/containers/whathaveyou has to be, but I've got a feeling it might be just a bit too big to mount on a cruise missile. The flipside is if its too big to put on a missile, the gun needed to fire it would have to be monstrous.

Long story short, future (for the 50's - 60's) space weapon - a 'nuclear shaped charge' - being used in atmosphere against hardened targets, ships, whatever I hate at that moment.

Thoughts?

Casaba Howitzers wouldn't be too much bigger than a regular weapon. The Pulse Units weren't that big and I doubt the Casabas would be that much bigger.

[Gawdzendia]

Anyone have any idea as to the most effective/efficient means of deploying a Casaba Howitzer in atmosphere?

Don't look at me like that. This is serious business guys.

As of now, the only thing I can think of is as a;

a) Warhead on a Missile
b) Artillery fired projectile

I'm not sure how large one of these shells/containers/whathaveyou has to be, but I've got a feeling it might be just a bit too big to mount on a cruise missile. The flipside is if its too big to put on a missile, the gun needed to fire it would have to be monstrous.

Long story short, future (for the 50's - 60's) space weapon - a 'nuclear shaped charge' - being used in atmosphere against hardened targets, ships, whatever I hate at that moment.

Thoughts?

Cruise missiles are probably capable of carrying a casaba howitzer ( http://www.projectrho.com/public_html/r ... ed_Charges)

Damnit, I find this website in someone's sig, absorb as much of it as I can because it is awesome, and somehow miss dimensions to the actual Casaba Howitzer.

Should be (relatively) straight forward then.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

In my mind, a Company is what I would be tasking to a specific objective within a battlefield, which would probably feature a Battalion or larger unit overseeing the actual battle.
As such, Company commander is forward with his unit, but Battalion HQ stays well behind with the Battalion artillery.

[Tule]

Feasibility of issuing sidearms to all troops as a last-last-ditch weapon?

Only if they are pepperbox revolvers.

Polymer-framed, .32 Frommer Baby Y/Y

[Immoren]

In my mind, a Company is what I would be tasking to a specific objective within a battlefield, which would probably feature a Battalion or larger unit overseeing the actual battle.
As such, Company commander is forward with his unit, but Battalion HQ stays well behind with the Battalion artillery.

I was reading Finnish FM for infantry and jaeger battalions and it mentions that battalion's command position should be as close to battalion's front as possible. As in right behind company/companies engaged battle.
Then again average battalion's C2 equipment is quite poor in comparison to (for example) US army one, I guess.

[Elan Valleys]

The further away you are the longer it takes for you to react.

A company commander should be up with the rear platoon.

PLATOON 1 PLATOON 2

PLATOON 3/CoyCO

[Jagalonia]

Our thinking is that primaries jam, sometimes at the wrong time in the wrong place. By providing each service member a 9mm handgun, we give them a last means of defense.

If your gun jams you fucking unjam it. If you are that fucking worried your guns will jam (i.e. m16) then give it a forward assist.

If you issue a pistol to every solider in your military you might as well also give them little stock paper cards with CoD perks on them.

Does this guy have a pistol on him?

These are the troops you issue handguns too

The way Canadian Forces are taught, if your gun jams in a fight, you automaticaly switch to a pistol to keep rounds going towards the enemy. It takes ~5 seconds to clear a stoppage, depending on the jam, and how skilled the shooter is. It takes ~2 seconds to drop your primary, and pull out a pistol. Those few seconds can mean life or death.

EDIT: This is, of course, for urban operations. In a field or some shit, yeah, unjam the gun.

[Elan Valleys]

If your gun jams you fucking unjam it. If you are that fucking worried your guns will jam (i.e. m16) then give it a forward assist.

If you issue a pistol to every solider in your military you might as well also give them little stock paper cards with CoD perks on them.

Does this guy have a pistol on him?

These are the troops you issue handguns too

The way Canadian Forces are taught, if your gun jams in a fight, you automaticaly switch to a pistol to keep rounds going towards the enemy. It takes ~5 seconds to clear a stoppage, depending on the jam, and how skilled the shooter is. It takes ~2 seconds to drop your primary, and pull out a pistol. Those few seconds can mean life or death.

I'd argue it depends on the rifle.

When you have an L85A2 with 25,000 MRBF you're a lot less likely to need a pistol than if you have an M4 with an MRBF of 5,000.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Mean Rounds Before Failure?

[Elan Valleys]

Mean Rounds Before Failure?

Before or between, anyway.

[Jagalonia]

Mean Rounds Before Failure?

Before or between, anyway.

Doesn't matter how many rounds before failure. Let's all remember murphys law here.

[Kouralia]

Before or between, anyway.

Doesn't matter how many rounds before failure. Let's all remember murphys law here.

I read your post and was liek wat, but then I read the edit.

B/c in (let's use the British Army because that's all I know anything substantial about...) the British Army your RoFs are one round every six seconds and one every two. Steady (well, it doesn't actually have a rate of fire name. It just is.) and rapid respectively. With a stoppage during a section attack you simply yell 'Stoppage', clear it, and yell 'back in'. So, you could theoretically miss out on two rounds worth of firing.

But yeah, in urban combat I would use the pistols. Kourtroops just get pistols because my pistol is lulz.

[Elan Valleys]

Before or between, anyway.

Doesn't matter how many rounds before failure. Let's all remember murphys law here.

But is the two rifle magazines worth of weight that a pistol would take up worth it when you have an extremely reliable rifle?

Particulalry when at ranges where a pistol might help you'll have a bayonet fixed.

[Jagalonia]

Doesn't matter how many rounds before failure. Let's all remember murphys law here.

But is the two rifle magazines worth of weight that a pistol would take up worth it when you have an extremely reliable rifle?

Particulalry when at ranges where a pistol might help you'll have a bayonet fixed.

You mean at the 5-20 meter point where the enemy could gun you down before you stick 'em? And yes, the scenario does happen quite a bit during urban ops. One of my friends that went overseas had to use his pistol maybe 5 times, and was damn lucky it was there for all of them.

[Elan Valleys]

But is the two rifle magazines worth of weight that a pistol would take up worth it when you have an extremely reliable rifle?

Particulalry when at ranges where a pistol might help you'll have a bayonet fixed.

You mean at the 5-20 meter point where the enemy could gun you down before you stick 'em? And yes, the scenario does happen quite a bit during urban ops. One of my friends that went overseas had to use his pistol maybe 5 times, and was damn lucky it was there for all of them.

80% of police killed on duty are attacked from within that distance, as they don't have time to draw their pistol and deliver effective fire.

And that's without having to drop an assault rifle.

[Immoren]

Tank company

Tank platoon

Tank (PL)
Tank
Tank (2ic)
Tank

Tank platoon

Tank (PL)
Tank
Tank (2ic)
Tank

Tank platoon

Tank (PL)
Tank
Tank (2ic)
Tank

HQ-platoon

Tank (Company CO)
Command IFV/APC (Company 2iC and fire support officer)
Motorcycle team (NCO+3 privates on bikes)
CV90 NEMO
CV90 recovery vehicle

Service platoon

Quarter Master
Maintenance&ammunition squad
Supplies&provisions squad
Medical squad
Delivery squad(contains 3-4 truck for general moving stuff around)

FO-section

Forward observer vehicle
Forward observer vehicle
Dismounted forward observer team in LUV.

Company fire support officer is platoon leader.

Mortars even in tank companies and so many forward observers.

[Tule]

But is the two rifle magazines worth of weight that a pistol would take up worth it when you have an extremely reliable rifle?

Particulalry when at ranges where a pistol might help you'll have a bayonet fixed.

You mean at the 5-20 meter point where the enemy could gun you down before you stick 'em? And yes, the scenario does happen quite a bit during urban ops. One of my friends that went overseas had to use his pistol maybe 5 times, and was damn lucky it was there for all of them.

You'd be lucky to hit anything with a pistol at +5 meters.

[Kouralia]

But is the two rifle magazines worth of weight that a pistol would take up worth it when you have an extremely reliable rifle?

Particulalry when at ranges where a pistol might help you'll have a bayonet fixed.

You mean at the 5-20 meter point where the enemy could gun you down before you stick 'em? And yes, the scenario does happen quite a bit during urban ops. One of my friends that went overseas had to use his pistol maybe 5 times, and was damn lucky it was there for all of them.

I know I have little to know experience in this, but at cadets we were taught that when clearing a position (e.g. open weapon's pit) if the commander jams then he yells stoppage and throws himself flat so the grenadier can finish it.

[Tule]

Something like this might be worth the added weight.

Re-chamber it in 9x18mm and load it with AP bullets.

[Spirit of Hope]

You mean at the 5-20 meter point where the enemy could gun you down before you stick 'em? And yes, the scenario does happen quite a bit during urban ops. One of my friends that went overseas had to use his pistol maybe 5 times, and was damn lucky it was there for all of them.

80% of police killed on duty are attacked from within that distance, as they don't have time to draw their pistol and deliver effective fire.

And that's without having to drop an assault rifle.

Police and soldiers are completely different situations. Most police officers never have to fire their gun in the line of duty, and have a mentality that is not geared the same way a soldiers is.

Secondly most police aren't in an active gun fight when they are killed, they are mostly ambushed/surprised at close range.

A soldier on the other hand is in a gun fight, when his weapon jams, he likely know, around where the enemy is. He is not being surprised he is drawing his back up (if he has one) and positioning to fire.

Personally all of my soldiers are issued side arms, and the choice to carry it on operations is left up to them. Some do some don't.