NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2

[Spirit of Hope]

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You do not need a Javelin at the Squad level, that is a platoon level weapon minimum, more likely a company level weapon.

Medic is a platoon level position (not one per squad).

As above.

As has been stated above everyone at the squad level should hopefully be using the same ammo, it makes logistics easier and allows for ammo to be switched around more easily during deployment/engagement if need be.

[San-Silvacian]

San-Silvacian squad for reference

[Spirit of Hope]

San-Silvacian squad for reference

Are they each carrying a disposable launcher? Also who is the guy with only a pistol? (I'm thinking driver but can't be sure)

[San-Silvacian]

San-Silvacian squad for reference

Are they each carrying a disposable launcher? Also who is the guy with only a pistol? (I'm thinking driver but can't be sure)

Every one of them carry an RPG-22HE.

Also the driver gets a pistol and vehicle commander/gunner gets an AKS-74U

[Spirit of Hope]

Are they each carrying a disposable launcher? Also who is the guy with only a pistol? (I'm thinking driver but can't be sure)

Every one of them carry an RPG-22HE.

Also the driver gets a pistol and vehicle commander/gunner gets an AKS-74U

Makes sense. I'm personally slightly against disposable launchers (I feel they are a little wasteful), I do understand their advantages.

[San-Silvacian]

Every one of them carry an RPG-22HE.

Also the driver gets a pistol and vehicle commander/gunner gets an AKS-74U

Makes sense. I'm personally slightly against disposable launchers (I feel they are a little wasteful), I do understand their advantages.

>Wasteful
>Military

noep.

[Immoren]

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You do not need a Javelin at the Squad level, that is a platoon level weapon minimum, more likely a company level weapon.

Medic is a platoon level position (not one per squad).

As above.

As has been stated above everyone at the squad level should hopefully be using the same ammo, it makes logistics easier and allows for ammo to be switched around more easily during deployment/engagement if need be.

Must note on medic that in planned future squad organizations for FDF regional troops it mentions "medic" but idk if it's real medic or "just" a combat life saver.
But then again also regional troops in future are planned to fight in loldispersed manner.

[Spirit of Hope]

You do not need a Javelin at the Squad level, that is a platoon level weapon minimum, more likely a company level weapon.

Medic is a platoon level position (not one per squad).

As above.

As has been stated above everyone at the squad level should hopefully be using the same ammo, it makes logistics easier and allows for ammo to be switched around more easily during deployment/engagement if need be.

Must note on medic that in planned future squad organizations for FDF regional troops it mentions "medic" but idk if it's real medic or "just" a combat life saver.
But then again also regional troops in future are planned to fight in loldispersed manner.

Everyone at the squad level should get some basic combat first aid, and placing some form of advanced medical kit with one of the rifleman in a squad/fire team isn't a bad idea. However the distinction should be made that they aren't medics and won't replace the real thing.

[Immoren]

Must note on medic that in planned future squad organizations for FDF regional troops it mentions "medic" but idk if it's real medic or "just" a combat life saver.
But then again also regional troops in future are planned to fight in loldispersed manner.

Everyone at the squad level should get some basic combat first aid, and placing some form of advanced medical kit with one of the rifleman in a squad/fire team isn't a bad idea. However the distinction should be made that they aren't medics and won't replace the real thing.

Of course.

Squad org is planned
1st team
-squad leader
-sniper
-rto
2nd team
-squad 2ic
-machine gunner
-medic
3rd team
-rifleman
-machine gunner
-sapper/combat engineer
iirc.

[The Akasha Colony]

Holy Fuck. He's carrying around the MG3, tripod, and 400 rounds of ammo, plus all his body armor, gear, rations, etc. Are you RPing a nation of bigfoot or yetti?

The tripod isn't as much as you think it is. German troops in WW2 could hump the tripod.

The tripod for the MG3 weighs more than the gun itself does. Combined, the two weigh 27.5 kg/61 lbs without ammo. In comparison, the normal fighting load of a US Army SAW gunner is only 71 lbs, and is one of the heaviest in the squad. It also includes all of the other fighting gear normally worn, including body armor, uniform, ammunition, water, etc. SAW gunners also do not carry another primary weapon other than the SAW itself, and also carries only 100 rounds of ammunition. Normal riflemen carry 180 rounds.

In WWII, the entire German squad was built around the machine gun, which is why carrying the tripod was felt to be necessary. The main gunner and his assistant only carried pistols, and the entire unit carried supporting equipment. The gunner carried the gun, his assistant carried the tripod separately, and the other three supporting riflemen carried the spare barrels and parts, as well as ammunition. Given that they also did not have to carry body armor and spread the load between five people, the analogy isn't quite proper.

[Allmann]

Or keep two tanks.. S-tanks and other conventional tank of choice.

My question is not related to tanks or planes but in helmets.
I am trying to design a helmet that is not a 'Fritz', I have been looking at Soviet SS-68's and Italian ww2 helmets, would it be a good idea to add a neckguard that hangs from the neck of the helmet? Like a modern capeline or like this.
http://www.scifiguns.com/props/TE_HELMET_LEFT.jpg

Also, could or should I have a brim on the helmet like on the new Dutch prototype one?
http://media.nu.nl/m/m1bzthmajtii.jpg

There's always the battle bowler (Mk6):

Yes, I have been looking at that. I also failed last night, did not mean brim I meant ridge.
Also saw some current Russian helmets..

Why would you want an inferior helmet?

The Fritz helmet design is one of the best designs, the fact that it is still in use and is like the only helmet most nations use anymore is awesome.

Besides the Fritz design you can only use the M1 Steel Helmet, Brody Helmet, and Pickelhaube.

Because everyone goes with Fritz helmets and I find that dull.

[San-Silvacian]

GIPM-99

The General Issue Protective Mask Model Year 1999 is the standard infantry gas mask issued to all San-Silvacian military units, typically front line forces. The mask is supplemented by the UIPM-99 (Utility IPM-99) which is used for troops which won't typically see direct combat.

The GIPM-99 is a lightweight, protective mask designed for prolonged use in hazardous environments, mainly radioactive and chemical. The mask fully encompasses the head in a thin rubber layer. The layer is formed to accommodate the ears, with the rubber thinning out and forming to the ears. This allows for better hearing by the soldier who is using the mask. The mask also has a voice diaphragm with a built in adapter to allow the mask-wearer to drink of a canteen with the mask on.

The mask has an alternating system, allowing the mask wearer, if he is left or right handed, to move the filter to either side. The mask is designed to withstand 40-hours of constant CRBN exposure. The time can be lengthened and shortened depending on the saturation. There is a built in indicator in on the filter that can allow the wearer to understand when the mask needs to be replaced. It can also be worn with glasses and used alongside night vision equipment and optics without worry.

The UIPM-99 is also identical to the GIPM, however it has a larger full face shield visor.

mask peepoles.

[Gryphonne IV]

Ok, so this is what I'm thinking for open terrain combat squads;
5 men in a squad,
1 combat life saver (not quite medic),
1 low level commissar (disciplinary officer),
3 grunts.
Grunts carry;
Lascarbine,
Laspistol,
Combat knife,
3 Frag grenades,
1 Disposable, 2 shot rocket launcher.
Marksman carries;
Heavy lasgun (low level marksman), Long-las (sniper version) (high level marksman),
Laspistol,
Combat Knife,
3 frag grenades,
1 Krak grenade,
1 Two way radio.
Commissar carries;
1 Melta pistol,
1 Energy sword,
1 Two way radio,
3 Hallucinogen grenades.
1 squad in three will have a demolitionist.
Demolitionist carries;
1 RPPER-12 (multi-shot rocket launcher) (Rocket Propelled Penetrating Explosive Rifle),
1 Lascarbine,
1 Chain-knife,
9 Frag grenades,
9 Krak grenades.

[Basque Socialist States]

Definitely using the Chinese shovel, after watching this video.

[San-Silvacian]

Ok, so this is what I'm thinking for open terrain combat squads;
5 men in a squad,
1 combat life saver (not quite medic),
1 low level commissar (disciplinary officer),
3 grunts.
Grunts carry;
Lascarbine,
Laspistol,
Combat knife,
3 Frag grenades,
1 Disposable, 2 shot rocket launcher.
Marksman carries;
Heavy lasgun (low level marksman), Long-las (sniper version) (high level marksman),
Laspistol,
Combat Knife,
3 frag grenades,
1 Krak grenade,
1 Two way radio.
Commissar carries;
1 Melta pistol,
1 Energy sword,
1 Two way radio,
3 Hallucinogen grenades.
1 squad in three will have a demolitionist.
Demolitionist carries;
1 RPPER-12 (multi-shot rocket launcher) (Rocket Propelled Penetrating Explosive Rifle),
1 Lascarbine,
1 Chain-knife,
9 Frag grenades,
9 Krak grenades.

wa-wa-wa-wa-wattttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttt

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Holy Fuck. He's carrying around the MG3, tripod, and 400 rounds of ammo, plus all his body armor, gear, rations, etc. Are you RPing a nation of bigfoot or yetti?

The tripod isn't as much as you think it is. German troops in WW2 could hump the tripod.

If anything he should give his gunner a carbine chambering the same round of his troops. We should also carry a single replacement barrel and his assistant gunner carry two more.

Aight, we squadin' now.

Alowwvian Assault Core Standardized Combat Unit

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 Magazines 9mm

[Gunner's Mate]

-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5.56
-200 rounds 7.62x51
-Replacement MG3 barrel

[Rifleman]

-F90
-151 rounds 5.56
-Grenade Launcher
-4 40mm grenade

[Marksman]

-G3A3
-101 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 magazines 9mm

[Javelin Operator]

-Javelin Command Module
-1 Javelin Missile
-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5,.56

[J. Operator's Mate]
[S

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-2 Javelin Missiles

[Field Medic]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-medical junk


[Field Officer]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-commander junk

[Mechanic]
-F90 Carbine
-91 rounds 5.56
-stuff needed for BigDog/LSSS
Scout Quadrotor RC or Raven system

[Legged Squad Upport System/BigDog]
-Water bottles, MREs, other junk



Give advice plz

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-F90 Carbine
-3 magazines
-Replacement barrel

[Gunner's Mate]
-F90 Carbine
-4 magazines
-200 rounds 7.62x51
-2 Replacement MG3 barrels

[Rifleman]
-F90
-6 magazines
-Grenade Launcher
-10 40mm grenade

[Marksman]
-G3A3
-8 magazines

[Rocket Grenadier]
-SMAW Unit
-2 SMAW Rockets
-F90 Carbine
-6 magazines

[J. Operator's Mate]
-F90
-6 magazines
-3-4 SMAW Rockets

[Field Medic]
-F90
-6 magazines
-medical junk


[Field Officer]
-F90
-6 magazines
-commander junk

[Mechanic]
-F90 Carbine
-91 rounds 5.56
-stuff needed for BigDog/LSSS
Scout Quadrotor RC or Raven system

[Legged Squad Upport System/BigDog]
-Water bottles, MREs, other junk

iunno bout last two

no javelin at squad level, very dumb. Also you should change out MG-3 to smth lighter. You want your entire squad to carry an entire drum for it each person as well.

The MG3 could easily be made of lighter construction.
And the Javelin was designed to be a squad level anti-tank system. Obviously not suitable for every squad, but that is where it goes.

[Purpelia]

To continue on with my aircraft engine questions. The trail of links has led me from one place to another and finally to this:
http://publications.drdo.gov.in/gsdl/co ... ir/doc.pdf

Now the way I got there, as well as the repeated references to the Tornado and the RB199 in the document make me thing that this might be the engine Crockfur was talking about when he mentioned a lengthened RB199. Than again I might be absolutely and completely wrong. In that case this is just a very interesting curiosity.

Long story short apparently this is some sort of concept demonstrator that the British started work on in 82 and that apparently even at onset was meant to have a variable inlet geometry to provide variable bypass ratios at will. To quote:

With the wide bypass ratio variation between extreme operating points, variable geometry should offer aerodynamics advantages, although conflicting with cost, weight and reliability objectives. Demonstrations of both variable inlet guide vanes and variable outlet guide vanes are included in XG40 to compare with the datum design which has no inlet guide vanes.

O_O. Comments?

[Rich and Corporations]

I just realized something, can I use a gun with 600 mm recoil, without using a oscillating turret? The recoil length is going to seriously impact gun depression...

[The Akasha Colony]

I just realized something, can I use a gun with 600 mm recoil, without using a oscillating turret? The recoil length is going to seriously impact gun depression...

If you accept a tall turret roof in order to accommodate it. I know there are at least a few tanks over in GE&T, some from reputable vendors, that have such recoil lengths.

[Khodoristan]

Feasibility of issuing sidearms to all troops as a last-last-ditch weapon?

[Immoren]

Feasibility of issuing sidearms to all troops as a last-last-ditch weapon?

I issue sidearms as standard to SF troops, MPs, urban jaegers and "Gate keeper"/provincial companies. Others can buy them with their own money if they want.

[Rich and Corporations]

I just realized something, can I use a gun with 600 mm recoil, without using a oscillating turret? The recoil length is going to seriously impact gun depression...

If you accept a tall turret roof in order to accommodate it. I know there are at least a few tanks over in GE&T, some from reputable vendors, that have such recoil lengths.

Indeed, but a tall turret means you're also increasing the distance between the fire height and the turret roof, possibly impairing defilade capacity.

[North Mesquite]

Definitely using the Chinese shovel, after watching this video.

Only thing it needs now is a hollow handle for a first aid kit.

[Khodoristan]

Feasibility of issuing sidearms to all troops as a last-last-ditch weapon?

I issue sidearms as standard to SF troops, MPs, urban jaegers and "Gate keeper"/provincial companies. Others can buy them with their own money if they want.

Our thinking is that primaries jam, sometimes at the wrong time in the wrong place. By providing each service member a 9mm handgun, we give them a last means of defense.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

If they at close enough range for a pistol to be of immediate use and need, something drastically wrong has happened, our they're clearing a building.
If a weapon jams during a building clear, that member of the unit should withdraw to the rear of the unit, clear his jam, and continue. The only person who would really regret a gun jam would be the pointman with his shotgun.