NS Military Realism Consultation Thread #2

[Purpelia]

Can you enlighten me a bit? As in, where do I even start?

Erm. A google search.

Some of the stuff I have...
http://cerno.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/b ... own-radar/ <- this provides an overview for concepts
http://www.exreps.com/Trojan/Developmen ... c%2006.pdf
http://www.mobileradar.org/Documents/43 ... System.pdf
http://rtreport.ksc.nasa.gov/techreport ... h/305.html < - passive radar locator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIRAFFE_Radar
http://www.ndu.edu/press/lib/images/jfq-55/22.pdf
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/03/is-stealth-dead/ < - ofc it isn't, but your AA missiles won't be as effective using radar homing anymore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistatic_radar <- sweden was planning on using this to defeat stealth attack aircraft
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA474069

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FOR THE WIN.

Cool thanks. Will start reading now.

[Crookfur]

Purp: I finally got a hcnace to look up british lightish fighter porjects from the alte 70s/early 80s that used the RB199.

The key projects are the p.96F and the P.110 (and thier contemporary joitn european projects: the European Combat Aircraft and the Agile Combat Aircraft.

All of these basically lead to the Experimental Aircraft Programme that was the tech/development demo for what became the eurofighter.

Only the EAP actually flew but the P.110 and ACA both got full scale mockups as seen here: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/history.html

Basically all these designs called for RB.199s with extended jetpipes/afterburners for greatly improved perfromance with afterburner (even better than the -104Ds fitted to the Tornado F.3)

loads of picstures of variosu proposals here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49388

[Purpelia]

Purp: I finally got a hcnace to look up british lightish fighter porjects from the alte 70s/early 80s that used the RB199.

The key projects are the p.96F and the P.110 (and thier contemporary joitn european projects: the European Combat Aircraft and the Agile Combat Aircraft.

All of these basically lead to the Experimental Aircraft Programme that was the tech/development demo for what became the eurofighter.

Only the EAP actually flew but the P.110 and ACA both got full scale mockups as seen here: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/history.html

Basically all these designs called for RB.199s with extended jetpipes/afterburners for greatly improved perfromance with afterburner (even better than the -104Ds fitted to the Tornado F.3)

loads of picstures of variosu proposals here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49388

Thanks. That's awesome. Will read it immediately. Also, can extending the jetpipes/afterburners really do all that? I know that a longer and thinner pipe and a bigger afterburner means more power. But I thought you had to change the bypass ratio of the turbine to get more power at greater altitudes.

Also, taken from that thread:

And so I fell in love.

[The UK in Exile]

Purp: I finally got a hcnace to look up british lightish fighter porjects from the alte 70s/early 80s that used the RB199.

The key projects are the p.96F and the P.110 (and thier contemporary joitn european projects: the European Combat Aircraft and the Agile Combat Aircraft.

All of these basically lead to the Experimental Aircraft Programme that was the tech/development demo for what became the eurofighter.

Only the EAP actually flew but the P.110 and ACA both got full scale mockups as seen here: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/history.html

Basically all these designs called for RB.199s with extended jetpipes/afterburners for greatly improved perfromance with afterburner (even better than the -104Ds fitted to the Tornado F.3)

loads of picstures of variosu proposals here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49388

"Look upon my works ye mighty, and despair!"

[Grand Britannia]

Purp: I finally got a hcnace to look up british lightish fighter porjects from the alte 70s/early 80s that used the RB199.

The key projects are the p.96F and the P.110 (and thier contemporary joitn european projects: the European Combat Aircraft and the Agile Combat Aircraft.

All of these basically lead to the Experimental Aircraft Programme that was the tech/development demo for what became the eurofighter.

Only the EAP actually flew but the P.110 and ACA both got full scale mockups as seen here: http://typhoon.starstreak.net/history.html

Basically all these designs called for RB.199s with extended jetpipes/afterburners for greatly improved perfromance with afterburner (even better than the -104Ds fitted to the Tornado F.3)

loads of picstures of variosu proposals here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=49388

"Look upon my works ye mighty, and despair!"

Looks like a bug.

...but I like it.

[Aqizithiuda]

I'm looking at my MT nation's squad composition during the Cold War. This is my current setup:

Support Team

- Gunner (MG3 rechambered for my 9x70mm cartridge, which is ballistically identical to the 9.3x64mm Brenneke, 300 rounds, sidearm)
- Assistant Gunner (lightweight tripod, 300 rounds, carbine)
- Assistant Gunner (spare barrel, 300 rounds, rifle)
- Squad Leader (rifle)
- Grenadier (grenade rifle, sidearm)

Assault Team

- Squad 2IC (rifle, LAW)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)


How does my current concept stack up?

[Registug]

>hurr what is electronic warfare

>is dsat ground attak

I knwo what E Warfare is. I also knwo there are plane's designed to do just that and the 747 isn't one of em.

The IRL wedgetail is based on a civilian airliner.

[Rich and Corporations]

I'm looking at my MT nation's squad composition during the Cold War. This is my current setup:

Support Team

- Gunner (MG3 rechambered for my 9x70mm cartridge, which is ballistically identical to the 9.3x64mm Brenneke, 300 rounds, sidearm)
- Assistant Gunner (lightweight tripod, 300 rounds, carbine)
- Assistant Gunner (spare barrel, 300 rounds, rifle)
- Squad Leader (rifle)
- Grenadier (grenade rifle, sidearm)

Assault Team

- Squad 2IC (rifle, LAW)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)


How does my current concept stack up?

9.3x64 Brenneke! That's only a third of the energy of a modern .50 cal.

LAW? 2.5 kg might be a bit heavy, as well as those 4 rifle grenades. Unless your troops have no body armor, and are not expected to conduct marches carrying equipment to cut off troops through desolate terrain.

[Aqizithiuda]

I'm looking at my MT nation's squad composition during the Cold War. This is my current setup:

Support Team

- Gunner (MG3 rechambered for my 9x70mm cartridge, which is ballistically identical to the 9.3x64mm Brenneke, 300 rounds, sidearm)
- Assistant Gunner (lightweight tripod, 300 rounds, carbine)
- Assistant Gunner (spare barrel, 300 rounds, rifle)
- Squad Leader (rifle)
- Grenadier (grenade rifle, sidearm)

Assault Team

- Squad 2IC (rifle, LAW)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)
- Rifleman (rifle, LAW, 4 x rifle grenades)


How does my current concept stack up?

9.3x64 Brenneke! That's only a third of the energy of a modern .50 cal.

LAW? 2.5 kg might be a bit heavy, as well as those 4 rifle grenades. Unless your troops have no body armor, and are not expected to conduct marches carrying equipment to cut off troops through desolate terrain.

Which is good, because a round with the same energy as a .50 cal would weigh near as much, as would the MG.

With the LAW, I was going to issue two of them per man, but decided to use four rifle grenades instead on one LAW to allow for more destroyed doors/bunkers/dead enemies.

Body armour definitely isn't worn during this period - even in modern times troops only wear NIJ Level IIIA vests - and I imagine that if a forced march to intercept enemy troops were to occur, the RGs could easily be left behind.

[San-Silvacian]

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

[Aqizithiuda]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

Seems legit .

[The Corparation]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

I wud liek to purchase 5000 of these fine arcraft for mi Aer Furce.

[Rich and Corporations]

Which is good, because a round with the same energy as a .50 cal would weigh near as much, as would the MG.

With the LAW, I was going to issue two of them per man, but decided to use four rifle grenades instead on one LAW to allow for more destroyed doors/bunkers/dead enemies.

Body armour definitely isn't worn during this period - even in modern times troops only wear NIJ Level IIIA vests - and I imagine that if a forced march to intercept enemy troops were to occur, the RGs could easily be left behind.

But the 9mm would only be a quarter as effective as a .50 cal.

"Emergency Approach March Load" Look it up, read about it.

[Aqizithiuda]

Which is good, because a round with the same energy as a .50 cal would weigh near as much, as would the MG.

With the LAW, I was going to issue two of them per man, but decided to use four rifle grenades instead on one LAW to allow for more destroyed doors/bunkers/dead enemies.

Body armour definitely isn't worn during this period - even in modern times troops only wear NIJ Level IIIA vests - and I imagine that if a forced march to intercept enemy troops were to occur, the RGs could easily be left behind.

But the 9mm would only be a quarter as effective as a .50 cal.

"Emergency Approach March Load" Look it up, read about it.

Why would I want a .50 cal at squad level?

I'm well aware of those. I fail to see the relevance, however.

[San-Silvacian]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

I wud liek to purchase 5000 of these fine arcraft for mi Aer Furce.

no way n00b ns traker says u onry have enugh moneys for 2000 planees

gtfo lrn 2 rp

[Registug]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

Registugian Wedge-Tail best Mach 5 interceptor.

I really should retcon it down to mach 3.4 or something.

[Bajireyn]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

Still not as good as the AREOGAVIN.

[The Corparation]

(Image)

this is death industries f-666 'devil' stooper fita
carries 60 missels and allot of bombs also nuclear bombs
crew of 1
can go mach 5
s0per mnuverabre stef fita paint
b8tr thn f22 craptor

This came to mind when I saw this.

Seems so NS.

Still not as good as the AREOGAVIN.

No one in NS has them at their storefront though. Some clueless armchair generals out there think that they are unrealistic and overpowered.

[Bajireyn]

Still not as good as the AREOGAVIN.

No one in NS has them at their storefront though. Some clueless armchair generals out there think that they are unrealistic and overpowered.

Well, we must reeducate those clueless chair force armchair generals who doubt the almighty AREOGAVIN and BATTLEBOX.

[New Vihenia]

Can you enlighten me a bit? As in, where do I even start?

Erm. A google search.

Some of the stuff I have...
http://cerno.wordpress.com/2007/07/07/b ... own-radar/ <- this provides an overview for concepts
http://www.exreps.com/Trojan/Developmen ... c%2006.pdf
http://www.mobileradar.org/Documents/43 ... System.pdf
http://rtreport.ksc.nasa.gov/techreport ... h/305.html < - passive radar locator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GIRAFFE_Radar
http://www.ndu.edu/press/lib/images/jfq-55/22.pdf
http://www.dodbuzz.com/2011/06/03/is-stealth-dead/ < - ofc it isn't, but your AA missiles won't be as effective using radar homing anymore
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bistatic_radar <- sweden was planning on using this to defeat stealth attack aircraft
http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA474069

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Alowwvia : USE A SUPER GUPPY!
FOR THE WIN.

My google search however showed me this



and with little more willingness and some helpful websites like Filestube.. one can obtain above free of charge

Anyone think I could convert a civilian airliner into a powerful electronic warfare plarform?

Sure..Japanese have using Learjet as jammer aircrafts..

[The Akasha Colony]

You possibly could, but I don't get your fixation with civil aircraft.

Size, mostly. More space to shove stuff. Readily available airframes.

Many modern EW aircraft are based on existing civilian airframes, such as the E-3 Sentry (based on the Boeing 707), the successor E-767 (based on the 767), the RC-135 Rivet Joint (based on the Boeing 367-80), and the 737 AEW&C. The Gulfstream G550 also has an AEW variant.

Basically, it all comes down to whether those airframes and manufacturing ability is available. For the United States, which produces a large number of domestic airliner designs thanks to Boeing (and previously Lockheed Martin and McDonnell Douglas), the ready availability of such airframes makes them attractive. This is relative to Russia, China, and many nations in Europe before the formation of Airbus, where civilian airliner production was relatively rare except for imports, and it thus made more sense to design a new airframe from scratch or convert an existing military airframe once the political issues regarding domestic production of relevant equipment were considered.

[Alowwvia]

Aight, we squadin' now.

Alowwvian Assault Core Standardized Combat Unit

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 Magazines 9mm

[Gunner's Mate]

-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5.56
-200 rounds 7.62x51
-Replacement MG3 barrel

[Rifleman]

-F90
-151 rounds 5.56
-Grenade Launcher
-4 40mm grenade

[Marksman]

-G3A3
-101 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 magazines 9mm

[Javelin Operator]

-Javelin Command Module
-1 Javelin Missile
-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5,.56

[J. Operator's Mate]
[S

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-2 Javelin Missiles

[Field Medic]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-medical junk


[Field Officer]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-commander junk

[Mechanic]
-F90 Carbine
-91 rounds 5.56
-stuff needed for BigDog/LSSS
Scout Quadrotor RC or Raven system

[Legged Squad Upport System/BigDog]
-Water bottles, MREs, other junk



Give advice plz

[Basque Socialist States]

Aight, we squadin' now.

Alowwvian Assault Core Standardized Combat Unit

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 Magazines 9mm

Holy Fuck. He's carrying around the MG3, tripod, and 400 rounds of ammo, plus all his body armor, gear, rations, etc. Are you RPing a nation of bigfoot or yetti?

[San-Silvacian]

Aight, we squadin' now.

Alowwvian Assault Core Standardized Combat Unit

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 Magazines 9mm

Holy Fuck. He's carrying around the MG3, tripod, and 400 rounds of ammo, plus all his body armor, gear, rations, etc. Are you RPing a nation of bigfoot or yetti?

The tripod isn't as much as you think it is. German troops in WW2 could hump the tripod.

If anything he should give his gunner a carbine chambering the same round of his troops. We should also carry a single replacement barrel and his assistant gunner carry two more.

Aight, we squadin' now.

Alowwvian Assault Core Standardized Combat Unit

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 Magazines 9mm

[Gunner's Mate]

-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5.56
-200 rounds 7.62x51
-Replacement MG3 barrel

[Rifleman]

-F90
-151 rounds 5.56
-Grenade Launcher
-4 40mm grenade

[Marksman]

-G3A3
-101 Rounds 7.62
-Browning Hi-Power
-2 magazines 9mm

[Javelin Operator]

-Javelin Command Module
-1 Javelin Missile
-F90 Carbine
-91 Rounds 5,.56

[J. Operator's Mate]
[S

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-2 Javelin Missiles

[Field Medic]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-medical junk


[Field Officer]

-F90
-121 rounds 5.56
-commander junk

[Mechanic]
-F90 Carbine
-91 rounds 5.56
-stuff needed for BigDog/LSSS
Scout Quadrotor RC or Raven system

[Legged Squad Upport System/BigDog]
-Water bottles, MREs, other junk



Give advice plz

[Gunner]
-MG3 (with tripod)
-400 Rounds 7.62
-F90 Carbine
-3 magazines
-Replacement barrel

[Gunner's Mate]
-F90 Carbine
-4 magazines
-200 rounds 7.62x51
-2 Replacement MG3 barrels

[Rifleman]
-F90
-6 magazines
-Grenade Launcher
-10 40mm grenade

[Marksman]
-G3A3
-8 magazines

[Rocket Grenadier]
-SMAW Unit
-2 SMAW Rockets
-F90 Carbine
-6 magazines

[J. Operator's Mate]
-F90
-6 magazines
-3-4 SMAW Rockets

[Field Medic]
-F90
-6 magazines
-medical junk


[Field Officer]
-F90
-6 magazines
-commander junk

[Mechanic]
-F90 Carbine
-91 rounds 5.56
-stuff needed for BigDog/LSSS
Scout Quadrotor RC or Raven system

[Legged Squad Upport System/BigDog]
-Water bottles, MREs, other junk

iunno bout last two

no javelin at squad level, very dumb. Also you should change out MG-3 to smth lighter. You want your entire squad to carry an entire drum for it each person as well.

[Basque Socialist States]

Wouldn't a simple bipod be enough for a squad weapon? At the platoon or company level add the tripod. Infantry by and large don't need to be mucking around with a tripod on their back. Leave that for the boys in the company's Machinegun on Heavy Weapons platoon, or better yet, the IFV they're all riding in.