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Postby Allanea » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:39 am

In general in FT you can do almost whatever you want. But I recommend that you study the Imperial Armour books, there might be other superheavies there that are superior.
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Postby Gryphonne IV » Mon Feb 18, 2013 3:55 am

Allanea wrote:In general in FT you can do almost whatever you want. But I recommend that you study the Imperial Armour books, there might be other superheavies there that are superior.

Note- baneblade and variants. I own the armor book.

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:23 am

It all depends on who and what you will be fighting. When it comes to FT all realism is off the table and the only realistic thing to do is to optimize your army for what ever threat you expect to face. So the only thing we can do here is ask you for details and than tell you if your choice is realistic in the respect that it sounds like something a sane and intelligent nation would pick under those conditions.
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Postby Allanea » Mon Feb 18, 2013 4:28 am

Gryphonne IV wrote:
Allanea wrote:In general in FT you can do almost whatever you want. But I recommend that you study the Imperial Armour books, there might be other superheavies there that are superior.

Note- baneblade and variants. I own the armor book.


Which one? There's something like half a dozen. :)
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:25 am

Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?
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Postby The Ctan » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:30 am

Allanea wrote:In general in FT you can do almost whatever you want. But I recommend that you study the Imperial Armour books, there might be other superheavies there that are superior.


Take what IA says with a grain of salt, TBH. They're fond of WW2 and giving WW2 esque stats there, that don't match up with observed performance in other sources or even statistics given elsewhere.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:31 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?

You would have to build completely new engines for that to work. Coal in particular just won't work in any sort of turbine engine so you would be stuck with using a steam engine to drive a propeller. And I doubt a setup like that could even get off the ground with the fuel required to fly any significant distance.
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Postby Yes Im Biop » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:32 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?


Coal no. LP Might but it burn's so fast
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:34 am

Purpelia wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?

You would have to build completely new engines for that to work. Coal in particular just won't work in any sort of turbine engine so you would be stuck with using a steam engine to drive a propeller. And I doubt a setup like that could even get off the ground with the fuel required to fly any significant distance.


Well, I have an interest to a RP in II, and it has the words of "promise of access to cheap oil" so, I thinking, that If this is possible, than I can use the oil for my country rather for export.

Can I replace the oil for tanks and planes with ethanol or electric?
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:39 am

You just won't get the energy density you need out of that. Aircraft use high quality aviation kerosene for a reason. The stuff burns fast and with a lot of heat and thus energy. Any other fuel would require a much larger and thus heavier engine that burns a lot more of the stuff to achieve the same result. So no, there is absolutely no way you can switch to any other fuel without suffering a massive performance drop.

Also, what do you think aviation fuel is made out of anyway?
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:43 am

Purpelia wrote:You just won't get the energy density you need out of that. Aircraft use high quality aviation kerosene for a reason. The stuff burns fast and with a lot of heat and thus energy. Any other fuel would require a much larger and thus heavier engine that burns a lot more of the stuff to achieve the same result. So no, there is absolutely no way you can switch to any other fuel without suffering a massive performance drop.

Also, what do you think aviation fuel is made out of anyway?


a specialized type of petroleum-based fuel used to power aircraft. It is generally of a higher quality than fuels used in less critical applications, such as heating or road transport, and often contains additives to reduce the risk of icing or explosion due to high temperatures, among other properties

Basically, a higher quality of fuel with additives.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:57 am

@Altito Asmoro
Key word being petroleum AKA oil.
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Postby Crookfur » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:00 am

You can't use coal or natural gas to power tanks or aircraft directly but you can use Fischer-Tropsch derived processes to make synthetic jet fuel and diesel from these sources and others inc. biomass:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fischer%E2 ... ch_process.

I.e. if like South Africa you have bugger all oil reserves but LOTs of coal and natural gas then you really should be looking a the FT process.
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Postby Altito Asmoro » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:00 am

Purpelia wrote:@Altito Asmoro
Key word being petroleum AKA oil.


Yep, higher quality of petroleum.
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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 6:11 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:
Purpelia wrote:@Altito Asmoro
Key word being petroleum AKA oil.


Yep, higher quality of petroleum.

No, same quality of raw oil. Just a higher quality of processing. You can't dodge the oil issue.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:26 am

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and it shall look like an A7V.
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Postby Immoren » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:30 am

Altito Asmoro wrote:Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?

Now I have mental image of trying to power jet engine via fine-coal powder.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Mon Feb 18, 2013 8:44 am

Immoren wrote:
Altito Asmoro wrote:Is it possible to change the today's aircraft and tanks fuel system from oil to liquid natural gas or coal?

Now I have mental image of trying to power jet engine via fine-coal powder.


Russia is already doing that
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Postby The Great Weald » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:22 am

Assuming my nation had a load of Strv 103 (aka 'S Tanks') in storage is it feasible (or even possible!) to remove the main 105 gun and mount something akin to a falcon turret or similar to the top of the hull.

Or would it be better to 'simply' swap the 105 for a fixed 120 main gun and be done with it!

My nation has around 150 tanks all in all, and fighting to a purely defensive doctrine - so perhaps a mixture of both?
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:30 am

The S-tank has no turret ring, only a superstructure. There would be no provision to mount a turret on it.
The amount of modification required would be too great to bother with.

You could phase a large number from active service, sending some to reserve units and others to tank training schools (as you can still teach driving, commanding and shooting with it - you just have no independent traverse).
Then just replace them with a tank with a modern gun and turret.
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Postby Allmann » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:02 pm

Or keep two tanks.. S-tanks and other conventional tank of choice.

My question is not related to tanks or planes but in helmets.
I am trying to design a helmet that is not a 'Fritz', I have been looking at Soviet SS-68's and Italian ww2 helmets, would it be a good idea to add a neckguard that hangs from the neck of the helmet? Like a modern capeline or like this.
http://www.scifiguns.com/props/TE_HELMET_LEFT.jpg

Also, could or should I have a brim on the helmet like on the new Dutch prototype one?
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Postby Elan Valleys » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:16 pm

Allmann wrote:Or keep two tanks.. S-tanks and other conventional tank of choice.

My question is not related to tanks or planes but in helmets.
I am trying to design a helmet that is not a 'Fritz', I have been looking at Soviet SS-68's and Italian ww2 helmets, would it be a good idea to add a neckguard that hangs from the neck of the helmet? Like a modern capeline or like this.
http://www.scifiguns.com/props/TE_HELMET_LEFT.jpg

Also, could or should I have a brim on the helmet like on the new Dutch prototype one?
http://media.nu.nl/m/m1bzthmajtii.jpg

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Postby Purpelia » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:24 pm

Can that thing be adapted to have a spike on top?
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Postby San-Silvacian » Mon Feb 18, 2013 12:56 pm

Allmann wrote:Or keep two tanks.. S-tanks and other conventional tank of choice.

My question is not related to tanks or planes but in helmets.
I am trying to design a helmet that is not a 'Fritz', I have been looking at Soviet SS-68's and Italian ww2 helmets, would it be a good idea to add a neckguard that hangs from the neck of the helmet? Like a modern capeline or like this.
http://www.scifiguns.com/props/TE_HELMET_LEFT.jpg

Also, could or should I have a brim on the helmet like on the new Dutch prototype one?
http://media.nu.nl/m/m1bzthmajtii.jpg


Why would you want an inferior helmet?

The Fritz helmet design is one of the best designs, the fact that it is still in use and is like the only helmet most nations use anymore is awesome.

Besides the Fritz design you can only use the M1 Steel Helmet, Brody Helmet, and Pickelhaube.
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Postby The Akasha Colony » Mon Feb 18, 2013 1:55 pm

Allmann wrote:Or keep two tanks.. S-tanks and other conventional tank of choice.

My question is not related to tanks or planes but in helmets.
I am trying to design a helmet that is not a 'Fritz', I have been looking at Soviet SS-68's and Italian ww2 helmets, would it be a good idea to add a neckguard that hangs from the neck of the helmet? Like a modern capeline or like this.
http://www.scifiguns.com/props/TE_HELMET_LEFT.jpg

Also, could or should I have a brim on the helmet like on the new Dutch prototype one?
http://media.nu.nl/m/m1bzthmajtii.jpg


You probably wouldn't want a neckguard in the back. It won't provide much protection to begin with, and most helmets nowadays have been moving away from large rear coverings in order to improve comfort and ease of movement while wearing the helmet.
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