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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Jun 22, 2012 2:44 pm

I never would have thought of using patrol boats like that.

Either way, it sounds to me like a sensible system.
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For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby Arkania 5 » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:00 pm

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:19 pm

A better way of phrasing this might be instead of a common launcher body with different missiles, a common missile with modular warheads and guidance/targeting acquisition methods.
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Postby Jagalonia » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:55 pm


That crab is god damn sexy.
I've never seen a vehicle like that before.....
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Postby Great Manchukuo » Fri Jun 22, 2012 6:58 pm

Scenario help.

Muskets and say Gatling-Gun/Rabuld (Organ Gun) vs Bolt-Action and Water Cooled Machine guns.

How badly would one or the other lose?
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Great Manchukuo wrote:Scenario help.

Muskets and say Gatling-Gun/Rabuld (Organ Gun) vs Bolt-Action and Water Cooled Machine guns.

How badly would one or the other lose?


muskets are massacred. not even sure the other side takes casualties.
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Postby The Archangel Conglomerate » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:11 pm

Jagalonia wrote:

That crab is god damn sexy.
I've never seen a vehicle like that before.....

This is the closest Thing I can think of. (le back)

That reminds me. What do scouts do in a modern military? I would have thought theyd be replaced by UAVs.
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Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:For want of lances, the heavy equipment never reached the field.

For want of heavy equipment the platoons FOs could direct no HMGs.

For want of HMGs, the Archians had to rely on shitty fucking microcalibers.

For want of real weapons, they lost the war.

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Postby The UK in Exile » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:12 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:That crab is god damn sexy.
I've never seen a vehicle like that before.....

This is the closest Thing I can think of. (le back)

That reminds me. What do scouts do in a modern military? I would have thought theyd be replaced by UAVs.


they work in bad weather. unlike UAV's.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:16 pm

Would Project Excalibur work in PMT?

Just out of curiosity.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:45 pm

The Archangel Conglomerate wrote:
Jagalonia wrote:That crab is god damn sexy.
I've never seen a vehicle like that before.....

This is the closest Thing I can think of. (le back)

That reminds me. What do scouts do in a modern military? I would have thought theyd be replaced by UAVs.

As you could imagine, a land-based scout would be able to provide an entirely different picture to one which a UAV would provide. They co-exist, not compete with each other.
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Postby Grand Britannia » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:22 pm

I was browsing through the net and found this.

Wondering if it was good for PMT.
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Postby San-Silvacian » Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:25 pm

It looks like something that if it went wrong, they would be an lolboom.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:16 pm

It's actually quite a good concept. If you made detachable pylons with some sort of locking system to the wing, you could drop the empty pylons and then attach a new fully loaded one to the wing in mid air without too much complexity. Issue is designing something stable and secure which can be put together and locked quickly and easily without third party assistance while still maintaining a data link.

Still, this could be done MT.
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Postby Vitaphone Racing » Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:18 pm

San-Silvacian wrote:It looks like something that if it went wrong, they would be an lolboom.

Not with modern munitions, it would be no more dangerous than putting bricks on an aircraft mid air.
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Postby Jagalonia » Sat Jun 23, 2012 12:53 am

Grand Britannia wrote:I was browsing through the net and found this.

Wondering if it was good for PMT.

Seems like a waste of fuel....Why send fuel and ammo tankers up when you could land that fighter and send up another...?
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Postby Strolingrad » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:19 am

I was wondering, how large each of my military branches are in terms of man power?

Combined, Military & Reserves I have 4,402,123 servicemen and women. I don't know if it makes a difference but the majorty of my military funding goes to the Airforce.

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Postby Jagalonia » Sat Jun 23, 2012 1:25 am

Strolingrad wrote:I was wondering, how large each of my military branches are in terms of man power?

Combined, Military & Reserves I have 4,402,123 servicemen and women. I don't know if it makes a difference but the majorty of my military funding goes to the Airforce.

That depends on how many are regular force, and reserve, how good your tech is (I'm guessing older tech, seeing as that's almost exactly 5% of your population) But really, it's entirely up to you, Just remember that for each fighting unit, you need a bunch of logistical pers.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:44 am

Jagalonia wrote:
Grand Britannia wrote:I was browsing through the net and found this.

Wondering if it was good for PMT.

Seems like a waste of fuel....Why send fuel and ammo tankers up when you could land that fighter and send up another...?

I'm getting really fucking bored of this internet blocker I have.
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Postby Immoren » Sat Jun 23, 2012 2:47 am

Yes Im Biop wrote:
Purpelia wrote:No but he did. But now for something completely unrelated. I want to ask what you people think of my new concept for squad level tactics. The idea is as fallows:

Each squad consists out of 11 men. The squad commander is also the IFV commander and mans the squad IFV (BMP-3) with a 2 men crew. One of the two crew is trained as a mechanic and another as the squad medic. Although all men have basic first aid training. The remaining 8 men are divided into two sections. The rifle section is composed of 4 men, armed with rifles (select fire bullpup battle rifle, 7.5 Swiss) and hand grenades. One of them also has an UGL and another carries a RPG-7. Disposable RPG's are available in the IFV for deployment as needed. The second section is the heavy weapon section. It is composed of 2 heavy weapon crews, one with a GMPG (MG3 rechambered in 7.5 Swiss) and another with a grenade rifle (A light, man portable GMG. Something like this). Each crew consists of a gunner with the respective weapon and an assistant with a battle rifle and extra munitions. The combat doctrine is that the rifle section serves to provide covering fire for the heavy weapon section, flush enemies out or assault positions. Where as the heavy weapon section uses its overwhelming firepower and is the one that inflicts casualties on the enemy.


First off...Thats a sexy grenade launcher... This is gonna be a Very very big IFV. To fit 11 people. The Marines LAV (Fars as i know anyway) Can only hold 6 men comfortably.

LAV-25 is recce vehicle with dismounted team not IFV (IIRC).
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Postby The Kievan People » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:33 am

Purpelia wrote:
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Sigh. That might actually be an improvement if it were true.

But that would give me a platform that does so many things at once that it can't do anything right. The idea here is that instead of developing 3 different systems that share everything but the sensors I develop one and than develop the sensors on the side and issue combinations as needed.


It's time to go back.... to the future!

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Postby Ularn » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:45 am

Got a military history question here:

How was it that the Romans were able to utilise sword-wielding infantry so effectively when everyone else preferred spears or other forms of long pointy sticks? Also, could their strategy have still worked against the weapons and tactics of the Middle Ages?
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Postby The Reliquary » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:53 am

Ularn wrote:Got a military history question here:

How was it that the Romans were able to utilise sword-wielding infantry so effectively when everyone else preferred spears or other forms of long pointy sticks? Also, could their strategy have still worked against the weapons and tactics of the Middle Ages?

By using fuck-off massive shields, close formations and professional soldiers. The weakness of the legions was when facing cavalry, something that would severely handicap them in the Medieval period. They'd also need leg and arm protection by then too.
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Postby Liugark » Sat Jun 23, 2012 3:56 am

Ularn wrote:Got a military history question here:

How was it that the Romans were able to utilise sword-wielding infantry so effectively when everyone else preferred spears or other forms of long pointy sticks? Also, could their strategy have still worked against the weapons and tactics of the Middle Ages?


Just look at how the units of the Byzantines changed.

You will see a lot more spear bearing units and cavalry.
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Postby Ularn » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:20 am

The Reliquary wrote:
Ularn wrote:Got a military history question here:

How was it that the Romans were able to utilise sword-wielding infantry so effectively when everyone else preferred spears or other forms of long pointy sticks? Also, could their strategy have still worked against the weapons and tactics of the Middle Ages?

By using fuck-off massive shields, close formations and professional soldiers. The weakness of the legions was when facing cavalry, something that would severely handicap them in the Medieval period. They'd also need leg and arm protection by then too.

Thanks. I'm thinking of making a medieval PT puppet and want to give the majority of the soldiers swords rather than spears if possible so thought modelling my strategy and doctrine on the Romans was a good way to go about it. Although cavalry would be concern, I'm planning to start out as a small city-state sitting on a river delta,which means the only way to assault would be over water, making cavalry charges difficult and the weaknesses of swordsmen less prominent.

EDIT: And here's some lineart of one an army soldier (top) and a City Watchman (bottom):
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Postby Liugark » Sat Jun 23, 2012 4:35 am

So I thought out a part of my Nations history.Its 500 A.D. and the World awaits a new conqueror.So I made one and let him conquer big parts of the world.
This is a WIP and will be changed (grammatical errors,logical mistakes and such).But what do you guys think about the overall outline ?´

In 485 A.D.,years after the fall of the mighty Xiongnu,the Liu Khan Bramu extended the rule of the
Liu Khanate,raiding Wei Territories and forcing them to pay tribute.Now he settled his eye on the
west,on the Tarim Basin,which was populated by the White Huns.Former brothers of the Liu,these
men were descendants of the Xiongnu just as them.

He subjugated the Tuyuhun.Then,shortly before he invaded the Hephtalites,he died.He got successed
by his Son Preamu,to many one of the Greatest in Liu History.

Preamu was young,and the Wei broke any contracts made with the Liu.So he raided some of their cities,slaughtering
their population and forcing the Wei to subjugate and pay tribute to his state.

Then he marched West.He invaded the Hephtalites,forcing them out of the Tarim Basin in just a year.

He crossed the Hindukush and emerged victorious against the Hephtalites in Bactria,subjugating them.

Then he persued the scattered remains of the Hephtalites,gaining control over the north of Transoxania.His Empire
now reached from the Gansu Valley to the Caspian Sea.

His aggressive and expansive nature led the Sassanid Empire to challenge him,fearing that his army would invade Persia.

Preamu forced them back to the Heartland of Persia,where he won one of his most glorious battles against the
Shah of the Sassanids,outnumbered heavily.

He reached Ctesiphon,the Sassanid Capital,as Victor.He was embraced by the Persian population.

But he wanted to expand even more.So he led his army to totally annex the Sassanids,claiming a big part of Arabia and the
whole of Mesopetamia in the process.

Preamu was now faced against the Eastern Roman Empire.He gained control of the Levant quickly.

Then he moved on to Egypt.He was stopped at Alexandria.He captured the city,but made treaties with the Romans and
went to Ctesiphon.There he died.After his death in 544 A.D. his closest friends who acted as Generals were battling
over his gigantic Empire.It split up in smaller Laqan States,the Liu equivalent of a Quaghanate.

In his biggest extension the Liu Empire of Preamu reached from Alexandria to the Gansu Valley.
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