BMP-1 is 1st Gen era (and not even 1st Gen anyway since it's not a battle tank) and the T-34-anything doesn't even register on the Gen scale, since it's before the advent of the Main Battle Tank concept.
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by Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Nov 02, 2012 4:12 am
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Shuggy555 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:00 am
The Corparation wrote:Started work on the support version of the giant Poseidon Class Ekranoplane I've been working on. The Kraken Class Think of it as a LCT(R) on steriods, its practically a flying arsenal ship.Fitted with hundreds of rocket launch tubes, and an advanced communications and sensor suite it is the ultimate in modern Missile Spam . The launch tubes almost completely replace the upperdeck, and the added weight decreases the range and only allows it to carry a fraction of the payload of the stock Poseidon Class Here's the rough outline of its payload, any suggestions on how well the mix is I have, and any ideas for better ones.-230 600mm rocket launcher tubes
Standard load:10 Scout UAVs, 70 Land Attack Cruise missiles, 50 AShMs 100 Super Heavy Artillery
Rockets with assorted payloads(Essentially Tactical Ballistic Missiles)
-1440 300mm rocket Launchers
Standard load:40 WP Smoke Screens, 600 Cluster Warheads, 400 Thermobaric Warheads, 400 HE Warheads
by Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:05 am
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Shuggy555 » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:23 am
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Well, Ticonderoga class GMCs have over 122 Tomahawk-capable missile tubes, plus some additional SAMs.
by Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Nov 02, 2012 5:26 am
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Aqizithiuda » Fri Nov 02, 2012 12:49 pm
The Corparation wrote:Started work on the support version of the giant Poseidon Class Ekranoplane I've been working on. The Kraken Class Think of it as a LCT(R) on steriods, its practically a flying arsenal ship.Fitted with hundreds of rocket launch tubes, and an advanced communications and sensor suite it is the ultimate in modern Missile Spam . The launch tubes almost completely replace the upperdeck, and the added weight decreases the range and only allows it to carry a fraction of the payload of the stock Poseidon Class Here's the rough outline of its payload, any suggestions on how well the mix is I have, and any ideas for better ones.-230 600mm rocket launcher tubes
Standard load:10 Scout UAVs, 70 Land Attack Cruise missiles, 50 AShMs 100 Super Heavy Artillery
Rockets with assorted payloads(Essentially Tactical Ballistic Missiles)
-1440 300mm rocket Launchers
Standard load:40 WP Smoke Screens, 600 Cluster Warheads, 400 Thermobaric Warheads, 400 HE Warheads
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by The Corparation » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:01 pm
Shuggy555 wrote:The Corparation wrote:Started work on the support version of the giant Poseidon Class Ekranoplane I've been working on. The Kraken Class Think of it as a LCT(R) on steriods, its practically a flying arsenal ship.Fitted with hundreds of rocket launch tubes, and an advanced communications and sensor suite it is the ultimate in modern Missile Spam . The launch tubes almost completely replace the upperdeck, and the added weight decreases the range and only allows it to carry a fraction of the payload of the stock Poseidon Class Here's the rough outline of its payload, any suggestions on how well the mix is I have, and any ideas for better ones.-230 600mm rocket launcher tubes
Standard load:10 Scout UAVs, 70 Land Attack Cruise missiles, 50 AShMs 100 Super Heavy Artillery
Rockets with assorted payloads(Essentially Tactical Ballistic Missiles)
-1440 300mm rocket Launchers
Standard load:40 WP Smoke Screens, 600 Cluster Warheads, 400 Thermobaric Warheads, 400 HE Warheads
Wow, thoughs numbers seem a bit high to me...
1440 300mm rocket launchers HOLY !%%!$
I mean even the most heaviest cruisers only have a max of like less then 30 AShMs let alone 100 balistic missiles.
If you covered this thing in stealth and gave it some anti air missiles instead of TRBM's, it could not be stoped by anything, ever.
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by Galla- » Fri Nov 02, 2012 1:06 pm
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Well, Ticonderoga class GMCs have over 122 Tomahawk-capable missile tubes, plus some additional SAMs.
Fashiontopia wrote:Look don't come here talking bad about Americans, that will get you cussed out faster than relativity.
Besides: Most posters in this thread are Americans, and others who are non-Americans have no problems co-existing so shut that trap...
by San-Silvacian » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:33 pm
Shuggy555 wrote:The Corparation wrote:Started work on the support version of the giant Poseidon Class Ekranoplane I've been working on. The Kraken Class Think of it as a LCT(R) on steriods, its practically a flying arsenal ship.Fitted with hundreds of rocket launch tubes, and an advanced communications and sensor suite it is the ultimate in modern Missile Spam . The launch tubes almost completely replace the upperdeck, and the added weight decreases the range and only allows it to carry a fraction of the payload of the stock Poseidon Class Here's the rough outline of its payload, any suggestions on how well the mix is I have, and any ideas for better ones.-230 600mm rocket launcher tubes
Standard load:10 Scout UAVs, 70 Land Attack Cruise missiles, 50 AShMs 100 Super Heavy Artillery
Rockets with assorted payloads(Essentially Tactical Ballistic Missiles)
-1440 300mm rocket Launchers
Standard load:40 WP Smoke Screens, 600 Cluster Warheads, 400 Thermobaric Warheads, 400 HE Warheads
Wow, thoughs numbers seem a bit high to me...
1440 300mm rocket launchers HOLY !%%!$
I mean even the most heaviest cruisers only have a max of like less then 30 AShMs let alone 100 balistic missiles.
If you covered this thing in stealth and gave it some anti air missiles instead of TRBM's, it could not be stoped by anything, ever.
by Grand Britannia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:44 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Shuggy555 wrote:Wow, thoughs numbers seem a bit high to me...
1440 300mm rocket launchers HOLY !%%!$
I mean even the most heaviest cruisers only have a max of like less then 30 AShMs let alone 100 balistic missiles.
If you covered this thing in stealth and gave it some anti air missiles instead of TRBM's, it could not be stoped by anything, ever.
Yes it would.
It would be easily stopped.
Just because stelf and anti-air missiles doesn't make it invincible.
It'd be horribly exposed and have EVERYTHING firing at it.
It reminds me of an Ace Combat style boss.
by The Corparation » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:51 pm
San-Silvacian wrote:Shuggy555 wrote:Wow, thoughs numbers seem a bit high to me...
1440 300mm rocket launchers HOLY !%%!$
I mean even the most heaviest cruisers only have a max of like less then 30 AShMs let alone 100 balistic missiles.
If you covered this thing in stealth and gave it some anti air missiles instead of TRBM's, it could not be stoped by anything, ever.
Yes it would.
It would be easily stopped.
Just because stelf and anti-air missiles doesn't make it invincible.
It'd be horribly exposed and have EVERYTHING firing at it.
It reminds me of an Ace Combat style boss.
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by Aqizithiuda » Fri Nov 02, 2012 2:54 pm
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.
Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.
Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.
Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...
by Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:02 pm
Malgrave wrote:You are secretly Vladimir Putin using this forum to promote Russian weapons and tracking down and killing those who oppose you.
by Grand Britannia » Fri Nov 02, 2012 3:09 pm
by The Plutonian Empire » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:18 pm
by Aqizithiuda » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:28 pm
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Again, too lazy to read the thread or do a search.
Anyways, I figured out I can check my troop levels with NSeconomy, but I don't know how to figure out reasonable nuclear stockpiles. How would I go about doing that?
Of course, I'm writing my nation's factbook, and right now I said we have a "massive" nuclear arsenal, so I was wondering what a reasonable "upper limit" to the nuclear stockpiles might be for my nation?
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.
Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.
Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.
Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...
by The Plutonian Empire » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:35 pm
Aqizithiuda wrote:The Plutonian Empire wrote:Again, too lazy to read the thread or do a search.
Anyways, I figured out I can check my troop levels with NSeconomy, but I don't know how to figure out reasonable nuclear stockpiles. How would I go about doing that?
Of course, I'm writing my nation's factbook, and right now I said we have a "massive" nuclear arsenal, so I was wondering what a reasonable "upper limit" to the nuclear stockpiles might be for my nation?
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
by Aqizithiuda » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:41 pm
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Aqizithiuda wrote:
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
What about when taking NS civil population and military population/spending into account, for RP and such?
Or is 30k the most that is acceptable regardless of NS nation/military size?
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.
Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.
Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.
Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...
by Spirit of Hope » Fri Nov 02, 2012 8:44 pm
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Aqizithiuda wrote:
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
What about when taking NS civil population and military population/spending into account, for RP and such?
Or is 30k the most that is acceptable regardless of NS nation/military size?
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by Bafuria » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:02 pm
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Aqizithiuda wrote:
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
What about when taking NS civil population and military population/spending into account, for RP and such?
Or is 30k the most that is acceptable regardless of NS nation/military size?
by The Plutonian Empire » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:25 pm
Spirit of Hope wrote:The Plutonian Empire wrote:What about when taking NS civil population and military population/spending into account, for RP and such?
Or is 30k the most that is acceptable regardless of NS nation/military size?
You could have more, but your going to have to justify it. Why would your nation need more than 30,000 nuclear warheads that they are going to have to store and maintain, that will become useless over time (depending on design), and that if used will get a nuclear retaliation?
Are you in a cold war with a nation that merits 30,000 nukes pointed at it constantly? Do you have a population that supports 30,000 nuclear weapons? Have you invested/stored other WMD's such as biological or chemical agents?
by Galla- » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:42 pm
Aqizithiuda wrote:The Plutonian Empire wrote:Again, too lazy to read the thread or do a search.
Anyways, I figured out I can check my troop levels with NSeconomy, but I don't know how to figure out reasonable nuclear stockpiles. How would I go about doing that?
Of course, I'm writing my nation's factbook, and right now I said we have a "massive" nuclear arsenal, so I was wondering what a reasonable "upper limit" to the nuclear stockpiles might be for my nation?
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
Fashiontopia wrote:Look don't come here talking bad about Americans, that will get you cussed out faster than relativity.
Besides: Most posters in this thread are Americans, and others who are non-Americans have no problems co-existing so shut that trap...
by Aqizithiuda » Fri Nov 02, 2012 9:46 pm
The Plutonian Empire wrote:Hmm, interesting read, thanks.Spirit of Hope wrote:
You could have more, but your going to have to justify it. Why would your nation need more than 30,000 nuclear warheads that they are going to have to store and maintain, that will become useless over time (depending on design), and that if used will get a nuclear retaliation?
Are you in a cold war with a nation that merits 30,000 nukes pointed at it constantly? Do you have a population that supports 30,000 nuclear weapons? Have you invested/stored other WMD's such as biological or chemical agents?
Hmmm.... That did bring up another question in my mind, which is how might nuclear weapons fit in (or not fit in) if a nation is at a very high tech level, such as FT and FT:FTL?
While I think one might concieve a stereotypical space opera superweapon that blows up stars and planets, I also think that it would probably be godmodding, IIRC.
I know realistically speaking, a population would be very against that many nukes, regardless of how many nukes there actually are.
Admittedly, when you mentioned the population supporting 30k nukes, I originally interpreted that as being similar to the NS calculations of nation population and military funding/troop size (eg, bigger pop + bigger military + bigger military spending(?) = more and more nukes), but then realized you meant whether the populace would like or not like nukes, not how many people there actually were.
On top of that, I'm guessing that if one wanted to include SDI defenses, they would have to integrate that very conservatively, and that retaliation is pretty much guaranteed regardless of the existence of an SDI.
And I'm guessing that with a nuclear-armed FT/FT:FTL nation, it might be tempting to conjure up nukes that never become useless, but I'm guessing that would be godmodding as well?
As for non-nuclear WMD's, I think some nations might stick with just nukes, and not use biological or chemical agents, while others might prefer different WMD's over others, or use a combination of two or more, so I don't know how that would fit in all of this.
Of course, for a nation like mine, and what I have in mind for it (FT:FTL and science fantasy), I don't know any potential justification for nuclear uber-arsenals, other than being a psychotic dicatorship, which it is clearly not, and even that justification would be questionable, I guess?
Nationstatelandsville wrote:I liked the prostitute - never quote me on that.
Puzikas wrote:This is beyond condom on toes. This is full on Bra-on-balls.
Puzikas wrote:Im not cheep-You can quote me on that.
Hellraiser-Army wrote:and clearly I am surrounded by idiots who never looked at a blueprint before...
by The Plutonian Empire » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:34 pm
Aqizithiuda wrote:The Plutonian Empire wrote:Hmm, interesting read, thanks.Hmmm.... That did bring up another question in my mind, which is how might nuclear weapons fit in (or not fit in) if a nation is at a very high tech level, such as FT and FT:FTL?
While I think one might concieve a stereotypical space opera superweapon that blows up stars and planets, I also think that it would probably be godmodding, IIRC.
I know realistically speaking, a population would be very against that many nukes, regardless of how many nukes there actually are.
Admittedly, when you mentioned the population supporting 30k nukes, I originally interpreted that as being similar to the NS calculations of nation population and military funding/troop size (eg, bigger pop + bigger military + bigger military spending(?) = more and more nukes), but then realized you meant whether the populace would like or not like nukes, not how many people there actually were.
On top of that, I'm guessing that if one wanted to include SDI defenses, they would have to integrate that very conservatively, and that retaliation is pretty much guaranteed regardless of the existence of an SDI.
And I'm guessing that with a nuclear-armed FT/FT:FTL nation, it might be tempting to conjure up nukes that never become useless, but I'm guessing that would be godmodding as well?
As for non-nuclear WMD's, I think some nations might stick with just nukes, and not use biological or chemical agents, while others might prefer different WMD's over others, or use a combination of two or more, so I don't know how that would fit in all of this.
Of course, for a nation like mine, and what I have in mind for it (FT:FTL and science fantasy), I don't know any potential justification for nuclear uber-arsenals, other than being a psychotic dicatorship, which it is clearly not, and even that justification would be questionable, I guess?
FT:FTL nations who want a good deterrent should have, at the very least, anti-matter powered, planet destroying bombs.
by San-Silvacian » Fri Nov 02, 2012 10:38 pm
Galla- wrote:Samozaryadnyastan wrote:BMP-1 is 1st Gen era (and not even 1st Gen anyway since it's not a battle tank) and the T-34-anything doesn't even register on the Gen scale, since it's before the advent of the Main Battle Tank concept.
And the T-72 isn't anywhere near a hypothetical "next generation" tank.Aqizithiuda wrote:
At its peak, the US had over 30 000 warheads. To be honest, you really don't need any more than that, unless you're planning on Orion style warships or issuing tactical nuclear weapons (eg: nuclear artillery shells, Davy Crocketts, theater ballistic missiles, etc) on a massive scale.
i.e. Me.
If your Marines aren't looking like this:
or this:
While getting fire support from something that looks like this:
Which ends up cooking commies with something like this:
Or this:
You're not doing NS rite.
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