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by Dutch Pacific » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:25 pm
Ramsetia wrote:I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.
by Indeos » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:26 pm
Dutch Pacific wrote:Ramsetia wrote:I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.
The only armor you need is an IOTV and Kevlar helmet. you have medics for a reason.
by The Soviet Technocracy » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:27 pm
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Ramsetia wrote:I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.
How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your queen from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.
by The Anglo-Saxon Empire » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:27 pm
Ramsetia wrote:The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your Empress from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.
Two-handed judicial duelling shields. I can't think of any weapon more impractical for open combat in a modern arena, and more suited to a culture where the whole idea of a soldier is built around the use of a shield. Yes. We will beat you with the thin edge until the blood spurts out.
As for Ordinator ballistic shields, tower shape, about 5-6 Kg weight, with NIJ IIIA level protection. The body armour needs more research put into it, but I'm going to tentatively say something like level III for limbs and head, and IV for centre of mass. (literally just torso front and back). You may start to see why I originally envisioned Ordinators as packing a Sub-machine gun instead of a full-size assault rifle, aside from just volume of one-handed ammunition output.
Other RIDF heavy teams use a lighter, kite-shaped shield, Dragoons (motorized/mechanised/helo-mobile infantry) are probably on-par with Real-world US military, though with greater body coverage, and light infantry are basically packing a level III vest and helmet.
by Minnysota » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:28 pm
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your queen from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.
New US Army basic training involves doing jumps and hurdles while wearing Interceptor IOTV with ESAPI and M16.
Yeah...
by Afkfjdsjg » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:28 pm
Dutch Pacific wrote:Ramsetia wrote:I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.
The only armor you need is an IOTV and Kevlar helmet. you have medics for a reason.
by Helghast empire » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:31 pm
by Dutch Pacific » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:31 pm
by The Soviet Technocracy » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:31 pm
Senestrum wrote:Senestrian Service Rifle
fu 900 pixel restriction
Is basically an ACR (the proper Steyr one).
Differences from ACR:
962mm long
700mm barrel
Integral suppressor as standard.
Lots of rails.
Chambered in a rlly lolzy (non-telescoped) round that's a lot like 6.5 Grendel, except it has a longer case and still manages to look like a fat magnum round.
Speaking of big rounds, it has a quad-stack magazine to keep a reasonable amount of ammo (32 rounds) in a reasonably long magazine.
Charging handle changed from the derpy M16-style charging handle to one further forward on the handguard.
Forward mag release to say FU to the "bullpups cannot into tacticlol reload" crowd.
Attachment point for a fucking SPIKE BAYONET ON A MULTI-KILODOLLAR 21ST CENTURY TACTICLOL RIFLE
by The Soviet Technocracy » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:34 pm
by Dutch Pacific » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:36 pm
by Senestrum » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:36 pm
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your queen from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.
New US Army basic training involves doing jumps and hurdles while wearing Interceptor IOTV with ESAPI and M16.
Yeah...
by Transnapastain » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:40 pm
)by The Soviet Technocracy » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:41 pm
Senestrum wrote:The Soviet Technocracy wrote:
New US Army basic training involves doing jumps and hurdles while wearing Interceptor IOTV with ESAPI and M16.
Yeah...
Makes sense. Train your troops while they're wearing their combat gear...
Worst case that's only 44 pounds. Any idea if they do it with their other gear?
by Indeos » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:43 pm
Transnapastain wrote:Indeos wrote:
Flakvest=lollight.
I'm gonna disagree slightly. Not at the fact that a flak vest is light, but that just because its light means its no joke and anyone can do it. How many of you wear body armor every day?
I do.
It certainly isn't deadly heavy, but its in no way, shape, or form comfortable, and, after about 4 hours into my shift, it feels dreadfully heavy, never mind soaking wet in the summer, or if you've been running a lot.. Things have a way of feeling heavier over time.
I'm not saying its too heavy for practical use, far from it. I'm just saying, rememebr that even "lollight" can take you tired over time....and I'm sure that, on a general basis, soldiers are much more active in their heavier armor than I am in mine. They handle it, sure, but it does take its toll. (I'll bet their in better shape too...but we wont go there!
by Ramsetia » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:45 pm
The Anglo-Saxon Empire wrote:Ramsetia wrote:*snip*.
Your shield could probably be a bit heavier and be able to take more without slowing your guys too much, also, you should have some kind of (at least experimental or palace guards or something) with a shield, sword, and arm cannon. The arm cannon doesn't have to be huge, 9mm parabellum would still be awesome.
by Senestrum » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:49 pm
Transnapastain wrote:Indeos wrote:
Flakvest=lollight.
I'm gonna disagree slightly. Not at the fact that a flak vest is light, but that just because its light means its no joke and anyone can do it. How many of you wear body armor every day?
I do.
It certainly isn't deadly heavy, but its in no way, shape, or form comfortable, and, after about 4 hours into my shift, it feels dreadfully heavy, never mind soaking wet in the summer, or if you've been running a lot.. Things have a way of feeling heavier over time.
I'm not saying its too heavy for practical use, far from it. I'm just saying, rememebr that even "lollight" can take you tired over time....and I'm sure that, on a general basis, soldiers are much more active in their heavier armor than I am in mine. They handle it, sure, but it does take its toll. (I'll bet their in better shape too...but we wont go there!
by Transnapastain » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:50 pm
Senestrum wrote:Transnapastain wrote:
I'm gonna disagree slightly. Not at the fact that a flak vest is light, but that just because its light means its no joke and anyone can do it. How many of you wear body armor every day?
I do.
It certainly isn't deadly heavy, but its in no way, shape, or form comfortable, and, after about 4 hours into my shift, it feels dreadfully heavy, never mind soaking wet in the summer, or if you've been running a lot.. Things have a way of feeling heavier over time.
I'm not saying its too heavy for practical use, far from it. I'm just saying, rememebr that even "lollight" can take you tired over time....and I'm sure that, on a general basis, soldiers are much more active in their heavier armor than I am in mine. They handle it, sure, but it does take its toll. (I'll bet their in better shape too...but we wont go there!
If girly out-of-shape me can sprint a couple hundred yards with a forty-pound pack after a few days of hiking, in-shape burly military men shouldn't have much trouble with a flak vest.
by New Korongo » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:51 pm
The Soviet Technocracy wrote:real men suck it up and do hurdles with IOTV
by Helghast empire » Sat Mar 05, 2011 8:52 pm
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