MAIN MILITARY WEAPON OF YOUR COUNTRY (MK. II) P2

[CPSU]

the t72

[Interstellar Britannia]

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Tell me this little beauty isn't absolutely gorgeous

As ugly as Andrew Lloyd Webber tbh

[Hyperdefenders]

The assault rifle design proposed for use by the Federal Republic of Hyperdefenders Land Based Self Defense Force and Military Attack Force (FRHLBSDFMAF) is the HMAR-1assault rifle. It can fire the regular SS-109 5.56mm round but is designed to mainly use a heavier and slightly hotter version of the SS-109. The weapons that the HMAR-1 is designed to replace is the various Ak-based rifles purchased from several former soviet bloc countries. These weapons function well enough to pose a threat, but the inconsistency of ammunition and quality of these weapons leads to problems.

(Image)The HMAR-1 Design

Any thoughts on the design?

Not bad. Miles ahead of most of the PMG that gets posted. Overall, 7/10.

Thank you for your input.

[St George of England]

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Tell me this little beauty isn't absolutely gorgeous

As ugly as Andrew Lloyd Webber tbh

how helpful

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

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Tell me this little beauty isn't absolutely gorgeous

As ugly as Andrew Lloyd Webber tbh

Gotta agree with IB for once.

[Voltarus]

I'm attempting to design my nation's weapons, and I fear I'm at an impasse. Do I chamber them in reasonable rounds (nothing larger than .30-06) or go with something absurd (.30-378 Weatherby Magnum or its immediate family)? I'd like to use a reasonable round, but if I find myself fighting somebody, it seems that .30-06 would have difficulty penetrating NS body armor with smaller rounds failing entirely. So, should I choose rational, or xbawkshuge?

[Senestrum]

And also An-94 is not complex, but your welcome to think it is. I fired 3,000+ rounds through it, and took it apart and put it together 10 times after seeing it done twice.

The AN-94 is pretty complex compared to the vast majority of firearms.

Modern Firearms description of what's going on when you pull the trigger:

The heart of the AN-94 is the more or less common gas operated, rotating bolt, long piston stroke action. The barrel with the gas chamber above it is mounted on the receiver, which holds the reciprocating bolt carrier with relatively short rotating bolt. The receiver is allowed to recoil inside the plastic gun shell or housing, against the receiver recoil spring. This spring is located under the receiver, at the bottom of the housing and to the left, and because of this the magazine is offset and inclined from vertical to the right. The rod under the barrel, which looks like the gas tube, is, in fact, a forward guide for the recoiling barrel / receiver assembly. This rod also used as a forward mounting point for the grenade launcher. The cocking handle is attached directly to the right side of the bolt carrier.

The feed system is quite unconventional, since it had to transfer the rounds from stationary magazine and into the recoiling receiver. To achieve this, AN-94 uses a two-stage feed, that comprises a feedway, built into the bottom of the recoiling receiver, and a separate rammer, that is used to feed the cartridges from the magazine and into the feedway.

In brief, the AN-94 works as follows. First, let's assume that the full magazine is inserted and the chamber is empty, receiver / barrel assembly is in the forward position. When one pulls the charging handle, the bolt carrier goes back, unlocking and retracting the bolt. At the same time, the rammer, which is linked to the bolt carrier via the thin steel cable and a large pulley, goes forward, stripping the first round from the magazine and placing it into the feedway in the receiver. Another action that takes the place the same time is the cocking of the hammer, which is also located in the recoiling receiver. When the charging handle is released, the bolt assembly goes forward, slamming the cartridge from the feedway and into the chamber, and locks the barrel. Now, the gun is ready to fire.

When fire selector is placed to the "full auto" mode, and the trigger is pressed, following happens. As soon as the fired bullet passed the gas port, the traditional gas operated action begins. Since the bolt group is relatively light and the amount of the gas pressure is carefully calculated, the bolt group rapidly goes back, unlocking the barrel, extracting and ejecting the spent case. Due to the recoil impulse, the barrel receiver assembly begins to recoil inside the gun housing, compressing the recoil spring. At the same time, the cartridge rammer quickly strips the next cartridge from the magazine and introduces it into the feedway. The bolt group, under the influence of its main spring and the return buffer spring, rapidly goes forward, chambering the second round from the feedway. As soon as the bolt group locks the barrel, the hammer is released automatically, and the second shot is fired with the theoretical rate of fire of 1800 rounds per minute. At this moment the receiver is still recoiling inside the housing, and its recoil is accumulated and not yet affects the shooter and the position of the gun. When the second bullet is fired and left the barrel, the recoil cycle of the receiver / barrel group is stopped, and the hammer is held in the cocked position. At this moment the shooter feels the recoil of two fired rounds simultaneously, "shifted in time". The reloading cycle continued as described above, but the hammer is held until the recoiling unit will not be returned into the forward position. If the gun was set to the "2 rounds bursts" mode, the hammer will be held cocked until the trigger will be released and then pulled again. If the gun was set to the "burst mode", the hammer unit will switch itself automatically to the low rate of fire, and will release itself only once per complete recoil cycle. I will not describe the design and the action of the trigger system of the AN-94, since it is way too complicated to be explained in few words.

Compared to most other firearms, the actions of which you could describe in similar detail with one or maybe two fairly short paragraphs, it's quite complex.

[Vlad Putin]

Hey Licana, nobody asked for your opinion. How many Russian Assault Rifles have you fired? List them off for me.

This makes me lol, you make me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

This makes me lol, you make me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

LOL internet tough guy ITT.

[Interstellar Britannia]

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

LOL internet tough guy ITT.

Careful, this guy seems legit.

[Minnysota]

This makes me lol, you make me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

lol

[Licana]

This makes me lol, you make me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

This makes me lol, Russian Spetsnaz wannabe makes me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

LOL internet tough guy ITT.

Yeah, it's pretty lulzy, isn't it.

[Amerikians]

Guys! Stop feeding it before it gets bigger!

[Phonencia]

Trans. I think you're forgetting one major factor for this guy's case...his name is "Vlad" Putin, that automatically means that he can chamber an AK-47 in 14.5x114 and fire it accurately in full automatic from the hip.

Hey Licana, nobody asked for your opinion. How many Russian Assault Rifles have you fired? List them off for me.

I've fired an AKM and AK-74.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

This makes me lol, you make me lol.

Thats good. I'm sure you make your parents feel like they wished they had an abortion before you were born.
You gave me your opinion, I gave you mine.

*** Warned *** for flaming. Cut it out.

The rest of you, cut out the spamming and keep on topic.

[Transnapastain]

Hey Licana, nobody asked for your opinion. How many Russian Assault Rifles have you fired? List them off for me.

I've fired an AKM and AK-74.

Semi-auto or full auto? Just curious. I've fired an AKM, AKMS, AK-74, and I need to get me AKS-74U to the range.

And also An-94 is not complex, but your welcome to think it is. I fired 3,000+ rounds through it, and took it apart and put it together 10 times after seeing it done twice.

The AN-94 is pretty complex compared to the vast majority of firearms.

Modern Firearms description of what's going on when you pull the trigger:

The heart of the AN-94 is the more or less common gas operated, rotating bolt, long piston stroke action. The barrel with the gas chamber above it is mounted on the receiver, which holds the reciprocating bolt carrier with relatively short rotating bolt. The receiver is allowed to recoil inside the plastic gun shell or housing, against the receiver recoil spring. This spring is located under the receiver, at the bottom of the housing and to the left, and because of this the magazine is offset and inclined from vertical to the right. The rod under the barrel, which looks like the gas tube, is, in fact, a forward guide for the recoiling barrel / receiver assembly. This rod also used as a forward mounting point for the grenade launcher. The cocking handle is attached directly to the right side of the bolt carrier.

The feed system is quite unconventional, since it had to transfer the rounds from stationary magazine and into the recoiling receiver. To achieve this, AN-94 uses a two-stage feed, that comprises a feedway, built into the bottom of the recoiling receiver, and a separate rammer, that is used to feed the cartridges from the magazine and into the feedway.

In brief, the AN-94 works as follows. First, let's assume that the full magazine is inserted and the chamber is empty, receiver / barrel assembly is in the forward position. When one pulls the charging handle, the bolt carrier goes back, unlocking and retracting the bolt. At the same time, the rammer, which is linked to the bolt carrier via the thin steel cable and a large pulley, goes forward, stripping the first round from the magazine and placing it into the feedway in the receiver. Another action that takes the place the same time is the cocking of the hammer, which is also located in the recoiling receiver. When the charging handle is released, the bolt assembly goes forward, slamming the cartridge from the feedway and into the chamber, and locks the barrel. Now, the gun is ready to fire.

When fire selector is placed to the "full auto" mode, and the trigger is pressed, following happens. As soon as the fired bullet passed the gas port, the traditional gas operated action begins. Since the bolt group is relatively light and the amount of the gas pressure is carefully calculated, the bolt group rapidly goes back, unlocking the barrel, extracting and ejecting the spent case. Due to the recoil impulse, the barrel receiver assembly begins to recoil inside the gun housing, compressing the recoil spring. At the same time, the cartridge rammer quickly strips the next cartridge from the magazine and introduces it into the feedway. The bolt group, under the influence of its main spring and the return buffer spring, rapidly goes forward, chambering the second round from the feedway. As soon as the bolt group locks the barrel, the hammer is released automatically, and the second shot is fired with the theoretical rate of fire of 1800 rounds per minute. At this moment the receiver is still recoiling inside the housing, and its recoil is accumulated and not yet affects the shooter and the position of the gun. When the second bullet is fired and left the barrel, the recoil cycle of the receiver / barrel group is stopped, and the hammer is held in the cocked position. At this moment the shooter feels the recoil of two fired rounds simultaneously, "shifted in time". The reloading cycle continued as described above, but the hammer is held until the recoiling unit will not be returned into the forward position. If the gun was set to the "2 rounds bursts" mode, the hammer will be held cocked until the trigger will be released and then pulled again. If the gun was set to the "burst mode", the hammer unit will switch itself automatically to the low rate of fire, and will release itself only once per complete recoil cycle. I will not describe the design and the action of the trigger system of the AN-94, since it is way too complicated to be explained in few words.

Compared to most other firearms, the actions of which you could describe in similar detail with one or maybe two fairly short paragraphs, it's quite complex.

Thanks for the back up, friend.

I'm attempting to design my nation's weapons, and I fear I'm at an impasse. Do I chamber them in reasonable rounds (nothing larger than .30-06) or go with something absurd (.30-378 Weatherby Magnum or its immediate family)? I'd like to use a reasonable round, but if I find myself fighting somebody, it seems that .30-06 would have difficulty penetrating NS body armor with smaller rounds failing entirely. So, should I choose rational, or xbawkshuge?

I think we missed a legit question amongst the...unpleasantness,,

Its long been my (unpopular) opinion that anyone, NOT late PMT/FT, who has armor able to stop a battle rifle round dead in its tracks...reliably, AND allow their soldier freedom of movement, and the ability to rapidly preform displacement actions, sprint to a target, or whatever other physically demanding actions required by battle...for the duration of the battle, is a bunch of wank, anyways.

I'm a fan of intermediate cartridges. I feel that the ability to bring more ammo to the fight, thus allowing a solider more staying power without resupply, and the reduced weight of said rounds/magazines, allowing the shoulder to carry more ammo (as stated) and reducing the already considerable weight of a soldiers kit is far more important than the lawlwut blasting power of a big round. (Obviously, I'm not talking about a standard infantry round, even we use larger rounds for support weapons, marksmen rifles and sniper weapons).

Even if their armor is lulsy huge (and some how not complete bullshit), it wont last under sustained fire, and not every part of them can be that heavily armored. (not exactly the ideal solution from a military standpoint but still a true statement)

[Ramsetia]

I'm attempting to design my nation's weapons, and I fear I'm at an impasse. Do I chamber them in reasonable rounds (nothing larger than .30-06) or go with something absurd (.30-378 Weatherby Magnum or its immediate family)? I'd like to use a reasonable round, but if I find myself fighting somebody, it seems that .30-06 would have difficulty penetrating NS body armor with smaller rounds failing entirely. So, should I choose rational, or xbawkshuge?

There's no reason to go Xbawks hueg, when you can use different methods of punching through body armour, like flechette rounds. Or you could rely on pure kinetic impact against the armour, and the force of the bullet being enough to stun a target for successive shots to the same armour plate until it fails and lets your soldier's shots through

7.62 NATO seems to be a common round, as do other munitions in a similar size range for intermediates, especially with battle rifles, while 8mm mauser is popular for full-sized rifle rounds with more classically arranged weapons. Personally, I use 5.56mm with a smartassed feed and firing system. Also popular, though over-exposed a bit, are 6.8 SPC and Grendel rounds.

Ignore the 'if you can't see the sun through your opponents wound, your bullet is too small' comments,<kidding> the writers just have compensation issues. </kidding>

I think we missed a legit question amongst the...unpleasantness,,

Its long been my (unpopular) opinion that anyone, NOT late PMT/FT, who has armor able to stop a battle rifle round dead in its tracks...reliably, AND allow their soldier freedom of movement, and the ability to rapidly preform displacement actions, sprint to a target, or whatever other physically demanding actions required by battle...for the duration of the battle, is a bunch of wank, anyways.

I'm a fan of intermediate cartridges. I feel that the ability to bring more ammo to the fight, thus allowing a solider more staying power without resupply, and the reduced weight of said rounds/magazines, allowing the shoulder to carry more ammo (as stated) and reducing the already considerable weight of a soldiers kit is far more important than the lawlwut blasting power of a big round. (Obviously, I'm not talking about a standard infantry round, even we use larger rounds for support weapons, marksmen rifles and sniper weapons).

Even if their armor is lulsy huge (and some how not complete bullshit), it wont last under sustained fire, and not every part of them can be that heavily armored. (not exactly the ideal solution from a military standpoint but still a true statement)

I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.

[Transnapastain]

I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.

See, I respect you for that!

You admit that there is a give and take in your armor, and that you can not have the best of both worlds. You have awesome ballistic protection, but have limited your mobility. Thats the kind of thought I like to see put into weapons and armor. "Yeah its awesome at this...and flawed in this way."

Makes RP more fun.

Edit: I also respect your ballsy use of 5.56x45 in the face off "LAWL WEAKSAUCE" from the peanut gallery

Edit 2: In regards to your drawling your soldiers in awesome, heroic, posses. That makes sense to, considering no sane nation comes out and admits "Hey! Here's our weakness, exploit it." ICly, you should never make your nation look weak. Admiring it OOCly, that you have a weakness, is the mark of a good player, to me, anyways.

[Kaukolastan]

Ignore the 'if you can't see the sun through your opponents wound, your bullet is too small' comments, the writers just have compensation issues.

the writers just have compensation issues

compensation issues

compensation

Enhanced with my Truth Vision.

[Phonencia]

both semi auto. fuckin' gun control.

[Transnapastain]

both semi auto. fuckin' gun control.

Here here! *clinks bottles of beer together*

[Kaukolastan]

both semi auto. fuckin' gun control.

Hey, gun control is a GOOD thing.

Always fire a weapon with both hands.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.

How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your queen from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

both semi auto. fuckin' gun control.

Hey, gun control is a GOOD thing.

Always fire a weapon with both hands.

Unless you duel wield all weapons on full auto it is no fun. It leads to horrible accidents most of the time, but it is fun.

[Ramsetia]

I'll take this opportunity to point out that Ordinator battle armour and combat shields are amongst the most movement-restricting MT armour on NS. Mainly because of the ballistic tower shield. I might draw ordinators in heroic, agile poses, but realistically, the armour's built around urban sprawl fighting in spaces too tight for vehicles. It's about as conductive to running battles in open areas as the old prisoner lead ball and chain. It might have EOD-level protection, but it's a bitch to move around in, especially with the floating leg plates and cowl.

How tough is the actual body armour? Because your shield already weighs a ton, even NIJ level IV armour would almost immobilize your soldiers completely. Also, you need to add some epic looking weapons that have limited practical utility, like giant war maces combined with assault rifles, or single shot breech loading rifles built into spears. They would also make badass weapons for semi-practical honor guards. Someone tries to shoot your Empress from up close and pow! The guy has a bullet in his head and a mace in his head.

Two-handed judicial duelling shields. I can't think of any weapon more impractical for open combat in a modern arena, and more suited to a culture where the whole idea of a soldier is built around the use of a shield. Yes. We will beat you with the thin edge until the blood spurts out.

As for Ordinator ballistic shields, tower shape, about 5-6 Kg weight, with NIJ IIIA level protection. The body armour needs more research put into it, but I'm going to tentatively say something like level III for limbs and head, and IV for centre of mass. (literally just torso front and back). You may start to see why I originally envisioned Ordinators as packing a Sub-machine gun instead of a full-size assault rifle, aside from just volume of one-handed ammunition output.

Other RIDF heavy teams use a lighter, kite-shaped shield, Dragoons (motorized/mechanised/helo-mobile infantry) are probably on-par with Real-world US military, though with greater body coverage, and light infantry are basically packing a level III vest and helmet.