MAIN MILITARY WEAPON OF YOUR COUNTRY (MK. II) P2

[Rusyn Peoples]

Okay, Coles Canada, this is getting out of hand. Notice how I said getting out of hand. Probably because you don't have any handguards.

Well, I guess those are TECHNICALLY handguards, but they eat up the magazine well, and barely cover the barrel.

Burn in hell look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK74 stupid, tjose are real aks notice anything similar

What I'm noticing is real AKs are full length (actually long enough to be effective primary weapons; they have a range farther than 50m), they actually have sights, and the forward handguard is positioned a little better.

Granted it wouldn't be impossible to put the handguard like that, it'd just be damned annoying when trying to use.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

If the Outlander is a bolt action it doesn't really need an AK style selector. If you're curious, here's how to bolt-action AK.

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Why is there a piston rod placer still on that AK?

Because the Paikistani who built it wanted it to look badass.

[Bonnaful]

Can you help me pick out of flaws of my weapons, but please dont be "You stupid newb you cant put a so and so on that".


LPHV 78 B (Battle rifle)
Service- 1989-present

Designer- LPHV Arms Factory (Lane Potter& Hugo Vouch Arms)

Variants- LPHV 78 C(civilian), LPHV 78 P(pathfinder issued version), LPHV 79 A (improved version coming out in 2015)

Weight-7.8 lb (empty), 8.5 lb (fully loaded)

Length- 37.7 in

Barrel length- 17.3 inches

Cartridge-5.45x39mm, 5.45x39 FMJ,5.45x39mm AP, 5.45x39mm HP

Action-Gas

Rate of fire- 650-800 rounds per miniute (depends if the rifle has a drum mag or a regular mag)

Range- 545m (pinpoint shot), 630m (area)

[Indeos]

Can you help me pick out of flaws of my weapons, but please dont be "You stupid newb you cant put a so and so on that".


LPHV 78 B (Battle rifle)
Service- 1989-present

Designer- LPHV Arms Factory (Lane Potter& Hugo Vouch Arms)

Variants- LPHV 78 C(civilian), LPHV 78 P(pathfinder issued version), LPHV 79 A (improved version coming out in 2015)

Weight-7.8 lb (empty), 8.5 lb (fully loaded)

Length- 37.7 in

Barrel length- 17.3 inches

Cartridge-5.45x39mm, 5.45x39 FMJ,5.45x39mm AP, 5.45x39mm HP

Action-Gas

Rate of fire- 650-800 rounds per miniute (depends if the rifle has a drum mag or a regular mag)

Range- 545m (pinpoint shot), 630m (area)

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Why are there two completely different rifles shown? Drum mags don't increase RoF and if it isn't a dedicated LMG variant it shouldn't have higher RoF anyway.

[Bonnaful]

The picture part was a mistake on my part, and thank you for the info on the drum mag

[The Ottish Empire]

The only true way to view it
Production History
7.8x53 Iscariot was first designed in 1984 by Samuel Iscariot. The round itself was designed to penetrate modern armor and entertain the communist government at the time. The round passed in one aspect, it was able to pass through most of the armor at the time, but the communist government felt the traditional 7.62x39 was more comfortable for them. It wasn't until the fascist takeover in 2001 that the .307 was fully recognized.

Specifications
Case type: Rimless, bottleneck
Bullet diameter: 8.0 mm
Neck diameter: 8.76 mm
Shoulder diameter: 11.4 mm
Base diameter: 11.8 mm
Rim thickness: 1.23 mm
Rim diameter: 13.8 mm
Case length: 53 mm
Overall length: 75 mm

Ballistic performance
Fired from 21 in. barrel

Bullet weight/type: 150 gr. 165 gr. 180 gr.

Velocity: 875 m/s 860 m/s 840 m/s

Energy: 3,604 J 3,884 J 3,990 J

Yup, I love it so much imma post it again.

[Indeos]

The picture part was a mistake on my part, and thank you for the info on the drum mag

No problem. Most of us try to give helpful criticism, it really only gets bad when someone doesn't listen.

@Ott: Probably gonna be my mainline rifle cartridge if I can ever be arsed to make a rifle. Otherwise I'm just gonna say it is even if I haven't made a gun for it.

[Rusyn Peoples]

~quick snip~

The only problem I see is the that you have two different rifles in the picture that have some very different designs (Kalashnikov style setup with the gas return system and the fire selector and the charging handle being part of the bolt -vs- AR style fire selector and the charging handle being behind the top-rail). Which one is your rifle, or what?

Also, the weight seems a bit heavy for your design, I'd say it'd be more around 3kg. (:rofl: at me not remembering whether you listed the weight in pounds or kilos and rolling with it anyway).

[Romanium Imperium]

I think honestly you've perfected that round, Ottish.

[Indeos]

FFS Ott's round outperforms my beloved .300 Winchester Short Magnum. Time to adopt it as a BR cartridge.

Calibers so far:

.314/7.8x53mm Iscariot for standard BRs.
10mm Auto for SMGs/pistols.
20x[something] gyrojets for dedicated snipers.

[The Ottish Empire]

Oops, used the wrong image, re-editing. Check for the updates!

[Sevvania]

If the Outlander is a bolt action it doesn't really need an AK style selector. If you're curious, here's how to bolt-action AK. Mind you, pros would lose the vestigial gas tube.

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It's not bolt-action. I toyed around with the idea a bit, but decided against it.

[The Corparation]

The Rusyn МІБЗ (OICW when transliterated).

Take the American/German OICW-
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Slim it down a lot (it is VERY tall and clumsy looking), get rid of the weird optics on top and replace with iron sights, lengthen it to full rifle length, and give it wooden furniture (to be as cheap as possible).

Umm the scope on top also has a laser rangefinder and shit to control the smart grenades airburst feature. You won't be able to use the grenade portion effectively without it.

[Indeos]

If the Outlander is a bolt action it doesn't really need an AK style selector. If you're curious, here's how to bolt-action AK. Mind you, pros would lose the vestigial gas tube.

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It's not bolt-action. I toyed around with the idea a bit, but decided against it.

The stock and grip could use blending, by the way.

[Sevvania]

It's not bolt-action. I toyed around with the idea a bit, but decided against it.

The stock and grip could use blending, by the way.

I figured, but I couldn't really figure out a good way to go about doing that....

[Indeos]

The stock and grip could use blending, by the way.

I figured, but I couldn't really figure out a good way to go about doing that....

Shapes. Something about shapes. I'm no PMGer, so that's all I can tell you.

[Rusyn Peoples]

The Rusyn МІБЗ (OICW when transliterated).

Take the American/German OICW-
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Slim it down a lot (it is VERY tall and clumsy looking), get rid of the weird optics on top and replace with iron sights, lengthen it to full rifle length, and give it wooden furniture (to be as cheap as possible).

Umm the scope on top also has a laser rangefinder and shit to control the smart grenades airburst feature. You won't be able to use the grenade portion effectively without it.

The rangefinder would be put somewhere else, and "controls" for the grenades will be too.

I didn't leave anything in the air about this.

[The Corparation]

Umm the scope on top also has a laser rangefinder and shit to control the smart grenades airburst feature. You won't be able to use the grenade portion effectively without it.

The rangefinder would be put somewhere else, and "controls" for the grenades will be too.

I didn't leave anything in the air about this.

IIRC The scope also displays the distance. Which iron sights can't do. And its the most convenient to see it when aiming down the scope. Iron sights can't display it like that.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that no matter what you do its still going to be extremely bulky. You have nearly two complete weapons smashed into one, its not going to be compact.

[Soviet Haaregrad]

If the Outlander is a bolt action it doesn't really need an AK style selector. If you're curious, here's how to bolt-action AK. Mind you, pros would lose the vestigial gas tube.

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It's not bolt-action. I toyed around with the idea a bit, but decided against it.

Oh okay. No excuse to not post some weird ass guns.

[Indeos]

Umm the scope on top also has a laser rangefinder and shit to control the smart grenades airburst feature. You won't be able to use the grenade portion effectively without it.

The rangefinder would be put somewhere else, and "controls" for the grenades will be too.

I didn't leave anything in the air about this.

Making it out of wood will increase costs and weight.

[Sevvania]

Well, the 7.62x39mm seemed to be the largest round that would fit the magazine.

@Indeos: What's wrong with the front sights on the Scavenger?

Fair enough.

And, now that I look at the barrel closely, it seems to be above the action. You might want to bring it down in line with the ejection port.

Yeah, now that I look at it, I had originally set it up to be bolt-action, but changed my mind halfway through. XD

[Soviet Haaregrad]

Ottish, have you considered a Kurz version of your round? I'm disappointed by the lack of 7.8x34mm.

[Rusyn Peoples]

The rangefinder would be put somewhere else, and "controls" for the grenades will be too.

I didn't leave anything in the air about this.

IIRC The scope also displays the distance. Which iron sights can't do. And its the most convenient to see it when aiming down the scope. Iron sights can't display it like that.

EDIT: I'd also like to add that no matter what you do its still going to be extremely bulky. You have nearly two complete weapons smashed into one, its not going to be compact.

Yes, but you can use the rangefinder to automatically make the grenade detonate X amount of distance from that point. So, once the rangefinder has done that for you, you just tell the gun how far from from that point you want it to detonate.

And I realize that it will always be bulky, I was just making it less bulky.

And and I still haven't decided whether or not to keep the airburst idea. It might just be used as a convenient replacement for hand grenades (it can shoot farther and faster).

[Rusyn Peoples]

Making it out of wood will increase costs

How so? If you look where my country would be located (Western Ukraine, north of Romania, East Slovakia) lumber would be abundant, and easier to produce (shape into parts) than polycarbonate or metal. Plus metal would be heavier than anything.

[Indeos]

Ottish, have you considered a Kurz version of your round? I'm disappointed by the lack of 7.8x34mm.

Wouldn't that have pretty bad performance? Or am I thinking of a different Kurz round that was pretty subpar...

Lightweight polymers, which are used in most every gun, are far lighter than wood. Cheaper, too, once there's some effort put into them.