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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:07 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Vingtor wrote:Bagh, You hide behind physics.

Have at you, backwards barbarian!
Quick! Deploy the chained bears!

Hah! My men farm more frighting things then that.
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

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Postby New Celisia » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:08 am

Image

This one a bit better?


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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:11 am

New Celisia wrote:http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee443/SilentMenagerie/Bullpupstandard-5.png

This one a bit better?


This is just a question to those who know more, but should the iron sights be raised a bit more? They look a little low to me.
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Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:14 am

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Basically, the Vikings came into contact with the Amazons, had a massive fight and then forced the Amazons back into the more mountainous areas of what is now collectively called "Lyckligaland". A few centuries of raids, counter raids and the occasional full scale invasion was eventually resolved when a member of the King's warband, who had once been a slave to a Styrgyz Matriarch, managed to arrange for a marriage between the daughter of the Styrgyz's Chief Matriarch and the son of the Lyckligalandian king. Of course, that didn't last more than five years and they were back to fighting one another again. Still, the marriage would come up every now and again when both sides were threatened and by the mid-1800s the two states had pretty decided to get together and kick everyone else's arses.

Nice, now did that effect the viking's traditional views on woman(Equal in her own sphere, watch for the witchy bits) and the Amazon's "Black widow" view on marriage?

So, PT, the Lyckligalandian's provide the traditional viking weapons and ferocity, while the Styrgyz (who selectively bred themselves until they averaged 6'2" in height) provide the archers and cavalry. MT both countries consider any rifle round less than the 8x57mm IS to be underpowered and consider the .45 ACP to be weak and ineffective (they use a .50 cal handgun round firing a 350 gr bullet @ 860 ft/s). Semi-auto grenade launchers (firing the same round as the AGS-17 AGL) are issued at squad level, while mortars are provided at company level.


Dizam! What the weapons on that?
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:15 am

Munathanura wrote:
New Celisia wrote:http://i1228.photobucket.com/albums/ee443/SilentMenagerie/Bullpupstandard-5.png

This one a bit better?


This is just a question to those who know more, but should the iron sights be raised a bit more? They look a little low to me.

It's within some people's peferance. Jeff Cooper would say no.
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

The artiste that created that hunk of gourgeous in my flag box http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=148603

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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:22 am

Vingtor wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Basically, the Vikings came into contact with the Amazons, had a massive fight and then forced the Amazons back into the more mountainous areas of what is now collectively called "Lyckligaland". A few centuries of raids, counter raids and the occasional full scale invasion was eventually resolved when a member of the King's warband, who had once been a slave to a Styrgyz Matriarch, managed to arrange for a marriage between the daughter of the Styrgyz's Chief Matriarch and the son of the Lyckligalandian king. Of course, that didn't last more than five years and they were back to fighting one another again. Still, the marriage would come up every now and again when both sides were threatened and by the mid-1800s the two states had pretty decided to get together and kick everyone else's arses.

Nice, now did that effect the viking's traditional views on woman(Equal in her own sphere, watch for the witchy bits) and the Amazon's "Black widow" view on marriage?


The Vikings took to the Styrgyz pretty quickly, and the Viking women didn't waste much time in going for equality. It took a few centuries, but they've essentially been the equal to men since about 1500. The witchy bits are still there, though :P.

With the Amazons, they didn't start out with a "Black Widow" vie won marriage. Instead, they had harems made from the tallest, strongest men they could find, with looks coming in at fourth place, below intelligence. Men, while not equals, probably had more rights than, say, a woman in the 1940s and they gradually gained more rights up until the point where they have roughly the same standing in society as RL women did in the 1980s. One major difference is that women cannot be accused of rape, while a man accused of rape generally doesn't make it to the trial.

So, PT, the Lyckligalandian's provide the traditional viking weapons and ferocity, while the Styrgyz (who selectively bred themselves until they averaged 6'2" in height) provide the archers and cavalry. MT both countries consider any rifle round less than the 8x57mm IS to be underpowered and consider the .45 ACP to be weak and ineffective (they use a .50 cal handgun round firing a 350 gr bullet @ 860 ft/s). Semi-auto grenade launchers (firing the same round as the AGS-17 AGL) are issued at squad level, while mortars are provided at company level.


Dizam! What the weapons on that?


What are the weapons on what?
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:30 am

Munathanura wrote:
The Vikings took to the Styrgyz pretty quickly, and the Viking women didn't waste much time in going for equality. It took a few centuries, but they've essentially been the equal to men since about 1500. The witchy bits are still there, though :P.
Okay ;) . That said what is the view on witchcraft?(Historically it was like smoking today, a bad habit in the eyes of the general public but some folk crave a good burn. Also all women are inately magical. Some lose control.)

With the Amazons, they didn't start out with a "Black Widow" vie won marriage. Instead, they had harems made from the tallest, strongest men they could find, with looks coming in at fourth place, below intelligence. Men, while not equals, probably had more rights than, say, a woman in the 1940s and they gradually gained more rights up until the point where they have roughly the same standing in society as RL women did in the 1980s. One major difference is that women cannot be accused of rape, while a man accused of rape generally doesn't make it to the trial.


Kinda like RL

What are the weapons on what?


What does that look like as weapons are involed, do they use Eagles or what?
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

The artiste that created that hunk of gourgeous in my flag box http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=148603

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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:52 am

Vingtor wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
The Vikings took to the Styrgyz pretty quickly, and the Viking women didn't waste much time in going for equality. It took a few centuries, but they've essentially been the equal to men since about 1500. The witchy bits are still there, though :P.
Okay ;) . That said what is the view on witchcraft?(Historically it was like smoking today, a bad habit in the eyes of the general public but some folk crave a good burn. Also all women are inately magical. Some lose control.) [/url]

Pretty much like RL for the most part, with it becoming slightly more accepted once women become more or less equal. Nowadays its pretty much considered acceptable, although that view is gradually in decline as Norse Paganism falls to atheism.



Kinda like RL


Yeah, pretty much. One thing that I did forget to mention, though, is that female slaves are pretty much at the bottom of the barrel in Lyckligaland, just above male sex slaves, while they are right at the bottom in Styrgyz society. Just your usual garden variety of hypocrisy and sexism here.



What does that look like as weapons are involed, do they use Eagles or what?


I'm being thick tonight, so I'll have to ask for clarification as to what you mean by Eagles. Do you mean what do the weapons themselves look like, or do you mean what culture's do the resemble most (aka East or West)?
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 1:54 am

Munathanura wrote:
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Like you said they use .50 cals. So do they use it in the Desert Eagle, or some other gun? And what about the other caliber's?
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

The artiste that created that hunk of gourgeous in my flag box http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=148603

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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:00 am

Vingtor wrote:Like you said they use .50 cals. So do they use it in the Desert Eagle, or some other gun? And what about the other caliber's?


Oh, right. Nah, they use an M1911 rip off that's been slightly updated through the years (it was adopted way back in 1914). Other calibres have been put forward, such as the .45 ACP or the 9mm Parabellum, but the 9mm was seen as too weak and rejected out of hand, while the .45 ACP was seen as the bare minimum for effectively dropping an enemy. In the end, the .50 cal round remained because it was both manly/womanly and because it had such a long history of working properly.
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
My Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

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Postby Vingtor » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:03 am

Munathanura wrote:
Vingtor wrote:Like you said they use .50 cals. So do they use it in the Desert Eagle, or some other gun? And what about the other caliber's?


Oh, right. Nah, they use an M1911 rip off that's been slightly updated through the years (it was adopted way back in 1914). Other calibres have been put forward, such as the .45 ACP or the 9mm Parabellum, but the 9mm was seen as too weak and rejected out of hand, while the .45 ACP was seen as the bare minimum for effectively dropping an enemy. In the end, the .50 cal round remained because it was both manly/womanly and because it had such a long history of working properly.

Okay what is the gun that uses the 8x57 mm? And what is the grenade launcher?
For the Angel of Death spread his wings on the blast,
And breathed in the face of the foe as he passed;
And the eyes of the sleepers waxed deadly and chill,
And their hearts but once heaved, and for ever grew still!

The artiste that created that hunk of gourgeous in my flag box http://forum.nationstates.net/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=148603

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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 2:11 am

Vingtor wrote:
Munathanura wrote:
Oh, right. Nah, they use an M1911 rip off that's been slightly updated through the years (it was adopted way back in 1914). Other calibres have been put forward, such as the .45 ACP or the 9mm Parabellum, but the 9mm was seen as too weak and rejected out of hand, while the .45 ACP was seen as the bare minimum for effectively dropping an enemy. In the end, the .50 cal round remained because it was both manly/womanly and because it had such a long history of working properly.

Okay what is the gun that uses the 8x57 mm? And what is the grenade launcher?


A link to the write up of all my weapons, with a link to the SAG-30 (which replaces the RPG-7s in my squad write up)
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:29 am

Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?

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Postby Fischermann » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:50 am

Anemos Major wrote:Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?


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Postby Senestrum » Thu Jun 09, 2011 4:16 am

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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:08 am

Fischermann wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?


Senestrum?


Senestrum could fill several storefronts with her lineart and high quality products.

Rather, somebody on a more equal footing with me who produces other things.

EDIT: Mind you, it's just an idea. I do quite like my quiet and highly unflashy storefront; it just seemed a little sparse, that's all,

EDIT2: Come to think of it, some of her high quality lineart fills my storefront, in fact.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:55 am

Anemos Major wrote:Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?

Obvious choice, Yohannes with his hyper detailed AFVs that half all NS newfags operate in large numbers, myself included.
Or potentially me (though unlikely, my skills aren't up to much) I already have a long line of AFVs in mind.
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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 5:59 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?

Obvious choice, Yohannes with his hyper detailed AFVs that half all NS newfags operate in large numbers, myself included.
Or potentially me (though unlikely, my skills aren't up to much) I already have a long line of AFVs in mind.


I've got a few links I can share in regards to armour/IFVs if either of you want them. It should help cut down on the research time a little.
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jun 09, 2011 6:02 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:Hmm... I only design small arms.

Does anyone think it might be a good idea to run a joint venture with somebody to expand my range of products a little?

Obvious choice, Yohannes with his hyper detailed AFVs that half all NS newfags operate in large numbers, myself included.
Or potentially me (though unlikely, my skills aren't up to much) I already have a long line of AFVs in mind.


Yuh, but Yohannes outclasses me by a long shot, and I don't want this to be an operation where I'm reliant on another party; I'd rather have relative parity, or an opportunity for somebody to use my rather limited reputation to showcase their products.

As for you, you already sell small arms, and thus it wouldn't benefit you in any way.

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Postby Solyhniya » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:19 am

Vingtor wrote:
New Celisia wrote:(Image)

As I was given permission by Solyhniya to change his rifle into a bullpup variant, here goes. What does the general populace think?

Oh pretty, is it based off the Gail? I think the "X" looks a bit weak, maybe lower and thicker.


Interesting you should say that, Vingtor. The system itself is derived from the Vz.58 (the rifle Solynia bought en masse from Central Slavia after the War) but everything else has been changed. The fire selector is ambidextrous, the sight radius is vastly superior, the furniture is polymerised and a solid, folding stock was used to save having to produce separate paratrooper and infantry variants (which takes time and money).

It does look rather GALILish though, you're right. The modernised version of this rifle will have an ambidextrous charging handle as well as some other cool stuff not on the GALIL, whilst the upgrade (late 1990s-2000s era) will have a magwell, floating, quick change barrel and SHITLOADS OF RAILZZZ :D

@New Celisia
This variant looks pretty cool, maybe it could be sold on the civilian market?
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Postby Bafuria » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:28 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Obvious choice, Yohannes with his hyper detailed AFVs that half all NS newfags operate in large numbers, myself included.
Or potentially me (though unlikely, my skills aren't up to much) I already have a long line of AFVs in mind.


Yuh, but Yohannes outclasses me by a long shot, and I don't want this to be an operation where I'm reliant on another party; I'd rather have relative parity, or an opportunity for somebody to use my rather limited reputation to showcase their products.

As for you, you already sell small arms, and thus it wouldn't benefit you in any way.


I don't have a storefront, well I do but it's over a year old and it's filled with PMG creations.
I can do it after the weekend if you want me to.
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:32 am

Bafuria wrote:
Anemos Major wrote:
Yuh, but Yohannes outclasses me by a long shot, and I don't want this to be an operation where I'm reliant on another party; I'd rather have relative parity, or an opportunity for somebody to use my rather limited reputation to showcase their products.

As for you, you already sell small arms, and thus it wouldn't benefit you in any way.


I don't have a storefront, well I do but it's over a year old and it's filled with PMG creations.
I can do it after the weekend if you want me to.


Again, since the whole point of this is to introduce something other than small arms to my lineup, and small arms to somebody else's, PMG creations are pointless.

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Postby Munathanura » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:33 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Bafuria wrote:
I don't have a storefront, well I do but it's over a year old and it's filled with PMG creations.
I can do it after the weekend if you want me to.


Again, since the whole point of this is to introduce something other than small arms to my lineup, and small arms to somebody else's, PMG creations are pointless.


I've got some links with information on armour for vehicles if you want them.
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Caninope wrote:OMG, FBI does it's jobs and uses search warrants to recover stolen property. The world is ending.

Welcome to America, where the authorities can be doing too much and too little at the same god damn time.
Tahar Joblis wrote:Your "heartfelt recommendation," i.e., baseless accusation of misogyny, is noted with all the respect that is due. Which corresponds to that due a $100 billion Zimbabwean banknote. :eyebrow:
My Political Compass:
Economic Left/Right: -3.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -2.56

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Postby Bafuria » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:34 am

Anemos Major wrote:
Bafuria wrote:
I don't have a storefront, well I do but it's over a year old and it's filled with PMG creations.
I can do it after the weekend if you want me to.


Again, since the whole point of this is to introduce something other than small arms to my lineup, and small arms to somebody else's, PMG creations are pointless.


Sorry, I skimmed the last two pages.
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Postby Anemos Major » Thu Jun 09, 2011 7:37 am

Munathanura wrote:I've got some links with information on armour for vehicles if you want them.


IRHA with Titanium diboride in the composites, modular armour layout, nERA blocks, IRHA and interstial Titanium Carbide for the structural armour, and an all welded steel monocoque hull and turret (at least, in the Yrdentsyr tank).

I know how to do it. But I'm principled against selling armour because there're already enough people doing that competently.

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