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Postby Alimeria II » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:51 pm

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More modern variant.


I thought this was a lever-action at first considering the hand loop and feeding tube. Since it's a break-top revolver carbine, I am not really seeing the usefulness of either of the two features I mentioned.

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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:53 pm

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Idea: MMW/MBT thread people buy a complex in the US to build a massive armaments collection.


Not to late for me to jump in?

All of the black powder weapons for the lolz


I'm not sure people are understanding how personal collections work, but I'd love to actually organize this if people are serious.

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I'm pretty sure any place with a Saiyan population isn't going to need guns. Nor will they be helpful, since Saiyans flat-out ignored bullets in DBZ.

1. Raditz blocked a shotgun slug that goes pretty slow, to my knowledge
2. We mostly use martial arts.
3. Bonobos


Goku got shot in the head at nearly point-blank range by what was most likely a .308 Winchester hunting rifle. It did nothing.

Your other two points don't make any sense, but I didn't really expect you to.

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I thought this was a lever-action at first considering the hand loop and feeding tube. Since it's a break-top revolver carbine, I am not really seeing the usefulness of either of the two features I mentioned.

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That is a lever-action. The lever rotates the cylinders.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:54 pm

The difference is, that is a lever-action revolver. The other one wasn't.
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Postby Former Wellboneland » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:54 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:
Not to late for me to jump in?

All of the black powder weapons for the lolz


I'm not sure people are understanding how personal collections work, but I'd love to actually organize this if people are serious.

Former Wellboneland wrote:1. Raditz blocked a shotgun slug that goes pretty slow, to my knowledge
2. We mostly use martial arts.
3. Bonobos


Goku got shot in the head at nearly point-blank range by what was most likely a .308 Winchester hunting rifle. It did nothing.

Your other two points don't make any sense, but I didn't really expect you to.

Alimeria II wrote: Try to tell Rossi that.


That is a lever-action. The lever rotates the cylinders.

I believe he was pretty powerful at that point.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 5:55 pm

Not sure why that didn't cross my mind -- a lever-action revolver that rotated on each throw of the lever makes perfect sense. Still questioning the feeding tube. ;)

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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:03 pm

Former Wellboneland wrote:
Indeos wrote:
I'm not sure people are understanding how personal collections work, but I'd love to actually organize this if people are serious.



Goku got shot in the head at nearly point-blank range by what was most likely a .308 Winchester hunting rifle. It did nothing.

Your other two points don't make any sense, but I didn't really expect you to.



That is a lever-action. The lever rotates the cylinders.

I believe he was pretty powerful at that point.


Not really...this was pre-SS2 IIRC. And it's noted that even weak Saiyans can conquer entire planets solo; even if guns will kill them they can probably dodge bullets indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that their bodies adapt to any near-death experience. Anything short of a kill shot means the Saiyan will be even less likely to die next time.)
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:09 pm

Indeos I understand the idea put forward, an NS "arsenal" where people could come to shoot. I would be interested in contributing if something could actually be put together. The main question to me would be funding and or location.
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Postby Former Wellboneland » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:10 pm

Indeos wrote:
Former Wellboneland wrote:I believe he was pretty powerful at that point.


Not really...this was pre-SS2 IIRC. And it's noted that even weak Saiyans can conquer entire planets solo; even if guns will kill them they can probably dodge bullets indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that their bodies adapt to any near-death experience. Anything short of a kill shot means the Saiyan will be even less likely to die next time.)

True.
But we don't have a space program, and Greater Demons are known to wipe whole villages of Saiyans off the map, so are Obsidian Dervishes. Our nation is only ruled by Saiyans anyway and the majority is human, who live pretty far from the Wilderness where the horrible monsters live. These guns have specialized ammo to take down Greater Demons, but you need to get close and use energy to take a Obsidian Dervish on.

Not to mention that only 56 Saiyans have reached SS2 and 3 have reached the fourth stage.
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Postby Gawdzendia » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:16 pm

Indeos wrote:
Former Wellboneland wrote:I believe he was pretty powerful at that point.


Not really...this was pre-SS2 IIRC. And it's noted that even weak Saiyans can conquer entire planets solo; even if guns will kill them they can probably dodge bullets indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that their bodies adapt to any near-death experience. Anything short of a kill shot means the Saiyan will be even less likely to die next time.)


Are there any recorded instances of Saiyans and nuclear weaponry?
I'm sure it's not a biggy.
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Postby Romanium Imperium » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:17 pm

One survived in the interstellar vacuum after a planet it was on somehow...exploded.

Nukes I do not think would be effective.
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Postby Former Wellboneland » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:21 pm

Gawdzendia wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Not really...this was pre-SS2 IIRC. And it's noted that even weak Saiyans can conquer entire planets solo; even if guns will kill them they can probably dodge bullets indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that their bodies adapt to any near-death experience. Anything short of a kill shot means the Saiyan will be even less likely to die next time.)


Are there any recorded instances of Saiyans and nuclear weaponry?
I'm sure it's not a biggy.

Weak Saiyans WILL die from poisoning.
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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:44 pm

Gawdzendia wrote:
Indeos wrote:
Not really...this was pre-SS2 IIRC. And it's noted that even weak Saiyans can conquer entire planets solo; even if guns will kill them they can probably dodge bullets indefinitely. (Not to mention the fact that their bodies adapt to any near-death experience. Anything short of a kill shot means the Saiyan will be even less likely to die next time.)


Are there any recorded instances of Saiyans and nuclear weaponry?
I'm sure it's not a biggy.


I assume it would depend on power level, but many impressive ones could keep standing and fighting after the planet they were on was destroyed. Like I said, anything that fails to kill them would just make them much, much stronger. (Canonically their bodies adjust so the near-death damage is what's required to do any damage at all to them.)
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:52 pm

I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?

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Postby Fischermann » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:03 pm

Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?


Spreewerke, have you ever tried a Norinco sidefolder? They look pretty comfortable in my opinion.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:06 pm

Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?

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Postby Former Wellboneland » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:07 pm

Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:08 pm

Fischermann wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?


Spreewerke, have you ever tried a Norinco sidefolder? They look pretty comfortable in my opinion.



A Norinco is probably the third or fourth rarest AK variant you will ever find. Unfortunately, I have not tried one out, nor have I ever seen one in person. The only Chinese AKs I've handled were a Norinco MAK-90 and a PolyTech Type-56, both of which were very well-made. Both had fixed stocks, but going by the looks of the side-folding Chinese stock, I would venture to guess that it was probably one of the best folding stocks available for the AK at the time of its introduction. I do believe that the AK-100/AK-74M-style folding stock is, by far, the best folding stock you will ever get for an AK.

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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:09 pm

Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?


I feel like it has to do with the specific gun as much as anything else. Maybe yours just doesn't have tons of expansion, or theirs had a crazy amount for some reason.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:13 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:I laughed pretty hard at this. For being the all-knowing source about the WASR-10, they sure are ignorant. It, apparently, took them thirty minutes to remove the buttstock. Using the screwdriver head from the in-stock cleaning kit, I can remove the buttstock in (going to go time myself right now): 58.65 seconds. I wasn't even using the cleaning kit tube as a screwdriver handle, so I had a little less leverage (my hand slipped a couple times due to this). Still, though... fail on their part?


I feel like it has to do with the specific gun as much as anything else. Maybe yours just doesn't have tons of expansion, or theirs had a crazy amount for some reason.


Since they think TAPCO is the shit (not in the same way I do, though), I'm just thinking they don't really know what they're doing. Some of their other blog posts are equally questionable.

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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 7:17 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Indeos wrote:
I feel like it has to do with the specific gun as much as anything else. Maybe yours just doesn't have tons of expansion, or theirs had a crazy amount for some reason.


Since they think TAPCO is the shit (not in the same way I do, though), I'm just thinking they don't really know what they're doing. Some of their other blog posts are equally questionable.


That might be true. I was just saying that I doubt they literally couldn't figure out any other way to remove the stock than bashing it against stuff then using a vice to hold it while they pulled it off.
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:10 pm

Well, I read some of their other articles, and I found a few that mentioned how troublesome removing the rear stock was. It, apparently, wasn't just a "this is how you should the first time" thing. :eyebrow:

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Postby Indeos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:14 pm

Spreewerke wrote:Well, I read some of their other articles, and I found a few that mentioned how troublesome removing the rear stock was. It, apparently, wasn't just a "this is how you should the first time" thing. :eyebrow:


Odd. Maybe they are just awful at things. Or they used the same logic I used for breaking down a printer/scanner: if it looks unimportant, hit it. If it looks fun to break, hit it. If it looks important, hit it harder. (And the top definitely isn't glass until it shatters.)
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Postby United American Commonwealths » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:16 pm

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 8:17 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Well, I read some of their other articles, and I found a few that mentioned how troublesome removing the rear stock was. It, apparently, wasn't just a "this is how you should the first time" thing. :eyebrow:


Odd. Maybe they are just awful at things. Or they used the same logic I used for breaking down a printer/scanner: if it looks unimportant, hit it. If it looks fun to break, hit it. If it looks important, hit it harder. (And the top definitely isn't glass until it shatters.)



The thing is, the way the stock is constructed, it's held in by friction. Hitting around won't loosen it up at all (I mean, there's a reason they recommend using the butt as a weapon). Using a vice for a grip isn't even necessary. All you need to do is, literally, loosen two screws and put a screwdriver in the round hole at the top of the stock's (what I'm going to call) friction plate. There is a gap present in this hole that goes just past the wood stock. It is just big enough to fit the cleaning kit's screwdriver inside of it. I'm pretty sure that this was designed for use with the cleaning kit. I mean, heck, I can strip the rifle down as far as possible sans legit gunsmithing using just the cleaning kit in the stock.

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