MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Galla-]

Well, there is the way in which the M16 often does worse in tests than competing rifles, yet is never replaced...
Plus, they are built down to a price, being government issue. Remember the (former?) Coast Guard here who kept dissing the M92 because of what he believed were its US-mandated parts being of poor quality?

1) Yet the M16 performs with adequate reliability in field conditions. One improvement would be the addition of a spring attached dust cover, that closes automatically. That would help prevent dust and sand from getting inside the rifle and sticking to the heavily lubricated internals.

That's so not worth the cost of recalling all M16/M4s to armories to be fitted with the bulk orders of new dust covers that it isn't even funny.

2) The early Beretta 92Fs had issues with the slide flying off and hitting the user in the face. That was fixed when the -FS was introduced.

That's about the only serious issue I can think of, ignoring the 9mm NATO's own problems.

[Reavaria]

(Image) Usefull for its light weight, Flexibility and Diversity of use its standard rounds are 6.21 mm's but its Round and feed chambers and be Unlocked and adjusted to take smaller bullet sizes. It takes a large number of attachments and ''mods'' But the standard's are a Reflex scope with 16mm grenade launcher.

Terrible. I cant fit both my hands on that gun.

Then you need to grow a little more Brosky Lol Or learn to handle a gun like a Real man

[Crookfur]

What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.

I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.

Unadulterated rubbish.

Govenremnt contract M16s and M4s represent the upper teir of the AR-15 quality pyramid, the only stuff that beats them is the VERY expensive stuff by the likes of LMT.

The US government also doesn;t buy because Colt lower thier prices, colt lwoer thier prices because the US govenrment are very keen on getting FN to build M16s for them (FN already biuld M16s and M4s for several customers).

As for why they retain the M16/M4, its simple: nothing out there provides improvements that are worthwhile enough to bother with.

yes 6-7mm optimum intermediates are nice but if you have an existing isntlaled user base for 5.56mm then they aren;t worth switchign to, they do the same job just slightly better.

yes a piston upper would be nice but simply isn't worth the costs involved and they aren't always nessicarily more reliable (see LM308 vs HK417).


As ncie as stuff like the ACR, FN SCAR etc are they aren't really anything new they are the same old stuff from the 1950s in shiny new packaging.

[Veceria]

SCAR has its own bed of issues (not that I remember what most of them are - I remember that the SCAR-H actually isn't a suitable platform for taking 7.62, because it's just so light).

Speaking from my own experience - add some stuff to the SCAR-H (like, a decent scope and such things you need anyways), and the blowback feels like someone poking your shoulder. It's a wonderful weapon, even if I like the SCAR-L a little bit more. Not joking.

[Xyborgs]

This thread is AR-friendly; the problem is that you're acting like anything you're saying is new, and like you've already got a set of credentials that give your opinion weight. Both are wrong; people have raged against the AK series before, and they've been proven wrong pretty consistently. Like I said, their examples are always weapons that haven't seen barrel changes or anything more than a quick cleaning since they were built.

Spreewerke, for the record, is our resident AK expert. He's fired a ton, and loves them, but he's not anti-AR. He can hit great groupings with his AKs, and some of them are pretty shit quality. They're not awful or especially inaccurate, like you were claiming, you just don't like them.

That's not and never will be how facts work.

Newer=/=better; modularity isn't as helpful as it sounds in theory, and the best weapon in a given situation depends on that situation.



The proposed use by bolt supporters was essentially as a marksman weapon; bolt users wouldn't be fighting the same way as full-auto ones.

1. I am new here, didn't know, but would like to respectfully say: one occurance does not a stastic make. I'm sure their are people who are accurate with their AKs, but just because they exist does not make them the majority.

3. I agree that new is not always better, but that last is kinda the point of modularity. Regardless, yes the situation is very important.

4. That's what I was saying, maybe you missed it?

Still can't wait for the MBAR-13 to enter service...it's gonna be sweet to see our boys kicking ass with that.

[Veceria]

1. I am new here, didn't know, but would like to respectfully say: one occurance does not a stastic make. I'm sure their are people who are accurate with their AKs, but just because they exist does not make them the majority.

3. I agree that new is not always better, but that last is kinda the point of modularity. Regardless, yes the situation is very important.

4. That's what I was saying, maybe you missed it?

Still can't wait for the MBAR-13 to enter service...it's gonna be sweet to see our boys kicking ass with that.

The what? Even google couldn't help me with the 'MBAR-13'.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

It's the rifle family that Corda designed and is in the process of attempting to convert to 3D CAD models, and then from there into actual production rifles, hopefully from next year.

[Veceria]

It's the rifle family that Corda designed and is in the process of attempting to convert to 3D CAD models, and then from there into actual production rifles, hopefully from next year.

Links or anything?

[Crookfur]

It's the rifle family that Corda designed and is in the process of attempting to convert to 3D CAD models, and then from there into actual production rifles, hopefully from next year.

Links or anything?

try 5-6 pages back

[Veceria]

Links or anything?

try 5-6 pages back

Ooooh ... Corda is a resident of NS ... okayyyy ...

[Samozaryadnyastan]

New Corda, who you quoted a quote of.

[Veceria]

New Corda, who you quoted a quote of.

Yes yes, already realized this. And how the f**k does he think to make the weapon IRL? Is he a gun manufacturer? Or will he keep it to CAD only?

[Samozaryadnyastan]

No, he's planning on finding someone with CAD software to convert his current 2D linearts into 3D CAD images.
Then from there, I believe he said he had a friend who would be able to construct most of the parts from the 3D images.

[Veceria]

No, he's planning on finding someone with CAD software to convert his current 2D linearts into 3D CAD images.
Then from there, I believe he said he had a friend who would be able to construct most of the parts from the 3D images.

Oh well ... I don't think that'll work, but ... good luck to him.

[New Corda]

New Corda, who you quoted a quote of.

Yes yes, already realized this. And how the f**k does he think to make the weapon IRL? Is he a gun manufacturer? Or will he keep it to CAD only?

I have a friend who's dad is a gunsmith, he has a full CNC suite. I'll make it in small numbers as a semi-auto civil gun until I can get a company to license it to

[Fischermann]

No, he's planning on finding someone with CAD software to convert his current 2D linearts into 3D CAD images.
Then from there, I believe he said he had a friend who would be able to construct most of the parts from the 3D images.

I wish the same could be done about Anemos' weaponry.

[Veceria]

Yes yes, already realized this. And how the f**k does he think to make the weapon IRL? Is he a gun manufacturer? Or will he keep it to CAD only?

I have a friend who's dad is a gunsmith, he has a full CNC suite. I'll make it in small numbers as a semi-auto civil gun until I can get a company to license it to

Trust me, that won't work until you are the gunsmith/gun designer in this company. Just don't waste too much time on a dream that won't come true. This is just an advice.

[New Corda]

I have a friend who's dad is a gunsmith, he has a full CNC suite. I'll make it in small numbers as a semi-auto civil gun until I can get a company to license it to

Trust me, that won't work until you are the gunsmith/gun designer in this company. Just don't waste too much time on a dream that won't come true. This is just an advice.

Hey, I can always sell it small-scale. And have you tried it? Anyway, at the very least I can say I did it

[Xyborgs]

Use Kickstarter to crowdsource that bitch.

[New Corda]

Use Kickstarter to crowdsource that bitch.

yeah, and watch my profits go out the window. No thanks

[Fischermann]

Trust me, that won't work until you are the gunsmith/gun designer in this company. Just don't waste too much time on a dream that won't come true. This is just an advice.

Hey, I can always sell it small-scale. And have you tried it? Anyway, at the very least I can say I did it

Suddenly, ATF.

[New Corda]

Hey, I can always sell it small-scale. And have you tried it? Anyway, at the very least I can say I did it

Suddenly, ATF.

Ever heard of an FFL? Or a semi-automatic civilian version? Or having it made by an ATF licensed gunsmith with an FFL?

[Fischermann]

Suddenly, ATF.

Ever heard of an FFL? Or a semi-automatic civilian version? Or having it made by an ATF licensed gunsmith with an FFL?

I'm pretty sure it wouldn't sell that much.

And how can you be so sure that the Gunsmith will make it, let alone make multiple copies?

[Veceria]

Trust me, that won't work until you are the gunsmith/gun designer in this company. Just don't waste too much time on a dream that won't come true. This is just an advice.

Hey, I can always sell it small-scale. And have you tried it? Anyway, at the very least I can say I did it

I already drew some of my lineart stuff in Dassault CATIA, took several days for even minor stuff. You have to think of all the interior stuff, how you fit everything in the right position, and so on. Making guns yourself, even if you're a professional gunsmith, can get extremely dangerous. A gunsmith doesn't automatically know how to manufacture every little piece of weapon technology used nowadays.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

No, he's planning on finding someone with CAD software to convert his current 2D linearts into 3D CAD images.
Then from there, I believe he said he had a friend who would be able to construct most of the parts from the 3D images.

I wish the same could be done about Anemos' weaponry.

I could do mine on the cheap. Just fudge about with the internals so they are actually other weapons (rather than the mishmashing of parts they are currently), then just manufacture the polymer gun bodies. I feel that the Doberman would be the easiest of all. Just need a FAL Para upper/lower receiver and internals, then arrange it in bullpup format.