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Postby Galla- » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:10 pm

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I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?


What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.
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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:10 pm

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Just saying, these are all the same guy, with the same gun. He might have deliberately sabotaged it, or just gotten a lemon


Why the hell would he do that again?


I dunno, maybe he works for a rival company, maybe he's just a troll. I'm just saying it's a possablity
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Postby Sevvania » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:11 pm

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Full Size (Click me, bro): http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7097 ... c45f_b.jpg

Update to the Sevvanian revolving carbine. Chambered in 7.62x38mmR, and now sporting a fold-out bayonet (more of a utility knife), and a suppressor.


What era are you operating in? I've always found revolving rifles cool, and wondered why more didn't crop up in the late 1800's


Vaguely in the realm of 1920s-1950s, although it tends to fall closer to the latter end of the timeline.

The Republic of Lanos wrote:That bayonet needs to be a bit longer.


I tried, but I couldn't get it to look right. It's more of a utility blade than an actual combat implement.
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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:12 pm

Galla- wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:
I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?


What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.


I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:13 pm

New Corda wrote:
Galla- wrote:
What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.


I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.


You mean Colt Defense. And you do know the original issues with the M16 were eliminated with the M16A1 and subsequent models?

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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:14 pm

New Corda wrote:
Galla- wrote:
What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.


I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.

I hear most of the problems arise from the lubricants that are issued, STANAG magazines, and the appalling lack of weapon maintenance practiced.
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:14 pm

New Corda wrote:


Just saying, these are all the same guy, with the same gun. He might have deliberately sabotaged it, or just gotten a lemon

The last two about the ACR are different, although I did edit my post.
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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:15 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:
New Corda wrote:
I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.


You mean Colt Defense. And you do know the original issues with the M16 were eliminated with the M16A1 and subsequent models?


Some, not all. But that doesn't change the materials and manufacturing quality Yes, I mean Colt Defense, my computers dictating software sometimes makes mistakes that I don't catch.
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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:16 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
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Just saying, these are all the same guy, with the same gun. He might have deliberately sabotaged it, or just gotten a lemon

The last two about the ACR are different, although I did edit my post.


I didn't catch that, but they could still be the same guy, or just two more lemons. So far what I've read, heard and seen says that it works pretty well, but obviously there are going to be a few outliers and manufacturing errors
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:18 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:


I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?

The SCAR, in my opinion, is a better weapon. Of course, if you want to stay AR-15-y, I'd recommend the H&K 416.
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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:19 pm

New Corda wrote:
Mosasauria wrote:The last two about the ACR are different, although I did edit my post.


I didn't catch that, but they could still be the same guy, or just two more lemons. So far what I've read, heard and seen says that it works pretty well, but obviously there are going to be a few outliers and manufacturing errors

Well, there were a lot of manufacturing errors, considering there was a recall.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:20 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:


I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?

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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:20 pm

The hell with it. Changing back to the FN SCAR.

And no. I'd prefer to make my own guns in Lanos.

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Postby Mosasauria » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:21 pm

The Republic of Lanos wrote:The hell with it. Changing back to the FN SCAR.

And no. I'd prefer to make my own guns in Lanos.

Aw. Are you looking for an AGL, though?
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:24 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
The Republic of Lanos wrote:The hell with it. Changing back to the FN SCAR.

And no. I'd prefer to make my own guns in Lanos.

Aw. Are you looking for an AGL, though?


M47 Striker took care of the automatic grenade launcher.

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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:24 pm

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Postby Galla- » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:25 pm

New Corda wrote:
Galla- wrote:
What's wrong with the M16? The US military seems to think it works fine enough to keep it for the foreseeable future.


I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.


Please, evidence for the advantages "inherent" in civilian AR-15s?

I don't think there's a conspiracy between the US government and defence contractors to make American military equipment inferior in quality to the rest of the world.
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Postby The Republic of Lanos » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:26 pm

Galla- wrote:
New Corda wrote:
I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.


Please, evidence for the advantages "inherent" in civilian AR-15s?

I don't think there's a conspiracy between the US government and defence contractors to make American military equipment inferior in quality to the rest of the world.


If there was a conspiracy, we would have heard about it by now.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:26 pm

Well, there is the way in which the M16 often does worse in tests than competing rifles, yet is never replaced...
Plus, they are built down to a price, being government issue. Remember the (former?) Coast Guard here who kept dissing the M92 because of what he believed were its US-mandated parts being of poor quality?
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I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?

SCAR has its own bed of issues (not that I remember what most of them are - I remember that the SCAR-H actually isn't a suitable platform for taking 7.62, because it's just so light).
I think the HK416 might actually be the best AR-15 family replacement, since it's going to be externally familiar to any M16 shooter.
Alternatively, you could just upgrade all your M16s with aftermarket upper receivers fitted with piston operations.
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Postby New Corda » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:27 pm

Galla- wrote:
New Corda wrote:
I don't intend to start a flame war, but the M-16s use by the US military are poorly made with low-grade materials, and did not possess the advantages inherent in civilian AR-15s, which are typically made out of quality parts with quality manufacturing processes. The reason that we keep the M-16 is that colt offense is willing to lower their prices and bribe the government at the expense of quality and the lives of our soldiers.


Please, evidence for the advantages "inherent" in civilian AR-15s?

I don't think there's a conspiracy between the US government and defence contractors to make American military equipment inferior in quality to the rest of the world.


See, now you're just trying to start a fight.

Neither do I, I just think that some individuals prefer profits to lives.
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Image Usefull for its light weight, Flexibility and Diversity of use its standard rounds are 6.21 mm's but its Round and feed chambers and be Unlocked and adjusted to take smaller bullet sizes. It takes a large number of attachments and ''mods'' But the standard's are a Reflex scope with 16mm grenade launcher.

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:29 pm

Xyborgs wrote:For example, it has been retrofitted with a nanite "hive" in the stock which consists of an army of several billion nanites depositing lubricants where they are needing and carrying residue or dirt away from sensitive internal mechanisms.


I just got home, so I'm still sifting through pages, but I saw this quote regarding the AK series being attached to cyborgs (or whatever). I giggled a tiny bit.

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:30 pm

Reavaria wrote:(Image) Usefull for its light weight, Flexibility and Diversity of use its standard rounds are 6.21 mm's but its Round and feed chambers and be Unlocked and adjusted to take smaller bullet sizes. It takes a large number of attachments and ''mods'' But the standard's are a Reflex scope with 16mm grenade launcher.

If your barrel's chamber (and thus, the barrel itself) can be directly adjusted to accept smaller bullets, then by logic it's horrifically complex and going to be of weak construction, due to moving parts. The "more" sensible option is modular barrels for different calibres.
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri Apr 20, 2012 3:32 pm

New Corda wrote:I make my own arms as well.

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Reavaria wrote:(Image) Usefull for its light weight, Flexibility and Diversity of use its standard rounds are 6.21 mm's but its Round and feed chambers and be Unlocked and adjusted to take smaller bullet sizes. It takes a large number of attachments and ''mods'' But the standard's are a Reflex scope with 16mm grenade launcher.

Terrible. I cant fit both my hands on that gun.
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