MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

L115A3. L96. G24. SV98. M24. M40. FR F2. PGM Ultima Ratio. PGM Hecate II. TRG.
All bolt-action weapons built within the last 30-40 years and in current service with the British, German, Russian, American, French and Finnish armies.

[Mosasauria]

Huh? I just don't like Russian guns. does that make me a sock-puppet automatically?

I'm just going to let Spreewerke handle you. The inaccurate PoS AKs you're talking about are the ones that have been in circulation and use with insurgent groups that don't take care of them for years. The fact that they can even go bang anymore is a testament to how fucking great they are.

What's funny is, the insurgencies in, say, Afghanistan, actually do clean their AKs. It's when a soldier captures it, and hearing of its remarkable reliability, thinks he doesn't have to clean it, that the problem arises.

[New Corda]

Huh? I just don't like Russian guns. does that make me a sock-puppet automatically?

I'm just going to let Spreewerke handle you. The inaccurate PoS AKs you're talking about are the ones that have been in circulation and use with insurgent groups that don't take care of them for years. The fact that they can even go bang anymore is a testament to how fucking great they are.

Look, I didn't mean to get everyone's panties in a bunch, can we cool down and act professional?

I simply don't like Russian guns, that\s my opinion and I'm entitled to it. I apologize to anyone who was offended.

Next time, don't start it as fact and switch to opinion when you're losing.

Even the brand new ones are not very accurate without a lot of aftermarket parts, unless there made in the US.

Who says I'm losing? I'm sure if i posted this in an AR friendly thread I'd be "winning". It's all relative. In this case, their are two sets of "facts", and the majority believe a different set from me.

[Mosasauria]

Something tells me you don't actually know what you're talking about. AK's are rather accurate. The AKM's sights could accurately hit a man-sized target at 300m. If that's not accurate enough for a standard-issue service rifle, I don't know what is.

I've shot AKs and SKSs, and been unsatisfied with either. I just dislike them, and think their are better guns out there

Fair enough.

[New Corda]

Ok, look. I'm sure I could come up with some more stuff, and we could argue, but I'm not here to make enemies. Unless you're determined to attack me, I'm throwing in the towel before it gets ugly. Happy?

[Mosasauria]

I'm just going to let Spreewerke handle you. The inaccurate PoS AKs you're talking about are the ones that have been in circulation and use with insurgent groups that don't take care of them for years. The fact that they can even go bang anymore is a testament to how fucking great they are.



Next time, don't start it as fact and switch to opinion when you're losing.

Even the brand new ones are not very accurate without a lot of aftermarket parts, unless there made in the US.

Who says I'm losing? I'm sure if i posted this in an AR friendly thread I'd be "winning". It's all relative. In this case, their are two sets of "facts", and the majority believe a different set from me.

You want to know something funny? I'm probably one of the more AR friendly people in this thread. I like the AR-15, and would be overjoyed to own one. Same goes for AKs and related weapons. I think both are great weapon platforms. Thing about them is that they both require maintenance, something many people forget.

[New Corda]

L115A3. L96. G24. SV98. M24. M40. FR F2. PGM Ultima Ratio. PGM Hecate II. TRG.
All bolt-action weapons built within the last 30-40 years and in current service with the British, German, Russian, American, French and Finnish armies.

Yeah, and most are good guns. But they're snipers and DMRs. And they are amazing in that role. A bolt gun is typically far more accurate then a semi. I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

[New Corda]

Even the brand new ones are not very accurate without a lot of aftermarket parts, unless there made in the US.

Who says I'm losing? I'm sure if i posted this in an AR friendly thread I'd be "winning". It's all relative. In this case, their are two sets of "facts", and the majority believe a different set from me.

You want to know something funny? I'm probably one of the more AR friendly people in this thread. I like the AR-15, and would be overjoyed to own one. Same goes for AKs and related weapons. I think both are great weapon platforms. Thing about them is that they both require maintenance, something many people forget.

And I agree, to some extent. They are both good weapons. I just think there are a lot of better ones

[Greater United Russia]

L115A3. L96. G24. SV98. M24. M40. FR F2. PGM Ultima Ratio. PGM Hecate II. TRG.
All bolt-action weapons built within the last 30-40 years and in current service with the British, German, Russian, American, French and Finnish armies.

Yeah, and most are good guns. But they're snipers and DMRs. And they are amazing in that role. A bolt gun is typically far more accurate then a semi. I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

Every late 1870s-WW2 completely tell your opinion it's wrong.

[New Corda]

Yeah, and most are good guns. But they're snipers and DMRs. And they are amazing in that role. A bolt gun is typically far more accurate then a semi. I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

Every late 1870s-WW2 completely tell your opinion it's wrong.

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I don't understand your sentence structure.

[Sevvania]

Full Size (Click me, bro): http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7097 ... c45f_b.jpg

Update to the Sevvanian revolving carbine. Chambered in 7.62x38mmR, and now sporting a fold-out bayonet (more of a utility knife), and a suppressor.

[Greater United Russia]

Every late 1870s-WW2 completely tell your opinion it's wrong.

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I don't understand your sentence structure.

The bolt action rifle was introduced in the late 1870s and was carried through as the predominate arm of most world armies in the venerated 'assault role' until the mid 30s and wasn't fully rotated out of frontline infantry service until the end of the 40s. Your opinion that they suck in assaulting positions is disagreed with by history.

[New Corda]

(Image)
Full Size (Click me, bro): http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7097 ... c45f_b.jpg

Update to the Sevvanian revolving carbine. Chambered in 7.62x38mmR, and now sporting a fold-out bayonet (more of a utility knife), and a suppressor.

What era are you operating in? I've always found revolving rifles cool, and wondered why more didn't crop up in the late 1800's

[The Republic of Lanos]

(Image)
Full Size (Click me, bro): http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7223/7097 ... c45f_b.jpg

Update to the Sevvanian revolving carbine. Chambered in 7.62x38mmR, and now sporting a fold-out bayonet (more of a utility knife), and a suppressor.

That bayonet needs to be a bit longer.

[The Reliquary]

I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

Seems alright to me.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I don't understand your sentence structure.

The bolt action rifle was introduced in the late 1870s and was carried through as the predominate arm of most world armies in the venerated 'assault role' until the mid 30s and wasn't fully rotated out of frontline infantry service until the end of the 40s. Your opinion that they suck in assaulting positions is disagreed with by history.

Largely because the positions they were assaulting were similarly defended with bolt-action weapons.
I agree to use a bolt-action weapon as an assault weapon today would be suicidally pointless. Hence why, if you were to do so, you would train your militia (since it would be a militia) in other forms of warfare. Like the sensible option, guerilla ambush.

[New Corda]

I'm sorry, could you rephrase that? I don't understand your sentence structure.

The bolt action rifle was introduced in the late 1870s and was carried through as the predominate arm of most world armies in the venerated 'assault role' until the mid 30s and wasn't fully rotated out of frontline infantry service until the end of the 40s. Your opinion that they suck in assaulting positions is disagreed with by history.

I'm sorry, I don't think you understand, I'm talking about today, compared to automatic and semi-automatic weapons. In their day, they were very effective. But we've moved on.

[Indeos]

I'm just going to let Spreewerke handle you. The inaccurate PoS AKs you're talking about are the ones that have been in circulation and use with insurgent groups that don't take care of them for years. The fact that they can even go bang anymore is a testament to how fucking great they are.



Next time, don't start it as fact and switch to opinion when you're losing.

Even the brand new ones are not very accurate without a lot of aftermarket parts, unless there made in the US.

Who says I'm losing? I'm sure if i posted this in an AR friendly thread I'd be "winning". It's all relative. In this case, their are two sets of "facts", and the majority believe a different set from me.

This thread is AR-friendly; the problem is that you're acting like anything you're saying is new, and like you've already got a set of credentials that give your opinion weight. Both are wrong; people have raged against the AK series before, and they've been proven wrong pretty consistently. Like I said, their examples are always weapons that haven't seen barrel changes or anything more than a quick cleaning since they were built.

Spreewerke, for the record, is our resident AK expert. He's fired a ton, and loves them, but he's not anti-AR. He can hit great groupings with his AKs, and some of them are pretty shit quality. They're not awful or especially inaccurate, like you were claiming, you just don't like them.

That's not and never will be how facts work.

Newer=/=better; modularity isn't as helpful as it sounds in theory, and the best weapon in a given situation depends on that situation.

L115A3. L96. G24. SV98. M24. M40. FR F2. PGM Ultima Ratio. PGM Hecate II. TRG.
All bolt-action weapons built within the last 30-40 years and in current service with the British, German, Russian, American, French and Finnish armies.

Yeah, and most are good guns. But they're snipers and DMRs. And they are amazing in that role. A bolt gun is typically far more accurate then a semi. I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

The proposed use by bolt supporters was essentially as a marksman weapon; bolt users wouldn't be fighting the same way as full-auto ones.

[New Corda]

The bolt action rifle was introduced in the late 1870s and was carried through as the predominate arm of most world armies in the venerated 'assault role' until the mid 30s and wasn't fully rotated out of frontline infantry service until the end of the 40s. Your opinion that they suck in assaulting positions is disagreed with by history.

Largely because the positions they were assaulting were similarly defended with bolt-action weapons.
I agree to use a bolt-action weapon as an assault weapon today would be suicidally pointless. Hence why, if you were to do so, you would train your militia (since it would be a militia) in other forms of warfare. Like the sensible option, guerilla ambush.

Exactly

[Mosasauria]

You want to know something funny? I'm probably one of the more AR friendly people in this thread. I like the AR-15, and would be overjoyed to own one. Same goes for AKs and related weapons. I think both are great weapon platforms. Thing about them is that they both require maintenance, something many people forget.

And I agree, to some extent. They are both good weapons. I just think there are a lot of better ones

Okay. Although if you're thinking the ACR, I'd like to contest that.
Also, while the speaker in this video may be annoying, he's right on this.
EDIT: Wait a second. The first three videos were made by the same guy who raged against the P22, so take what he says with a grain of salt.

[New Corda]

And I agree, to some extent. They are both good weapons. I just think there are a lot of better ones

Okay. Although if you're thinking the ACR, I'd like to contest that.
Also, while the speaker in this video may be annoying, he's right on this.

Just saying, these are all the same guy, with the same gun. He might have deliberately sabotaged it, or just gotten a lemon

[Fischermann]

Okay. Although if you're thinking the ACR, I'd like to contest that.
Also, while the speaker in this video may be annoying, he's right on this.

Just saying, these are all the same guy, with the same gun. He might have deliberately sabotaged it, or just gotten a lemon

Why the hell would he do that again?

[Galla-]

I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

Seems alright to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedorov_Avtomat
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farquhar-Hill_rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M1918_Brow ... atic_Rifle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cei-Rigotti
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat-R ... achine_gun

[The Republic of Lanos]

And I agree, to some extent. They are both good weapons. I just think there are a lot of better ones

Okay. Although if you're thinking the ACR, I'd like to contest that.
Also, while the speaker in this video may be annoying, he's right on this.

I use the ACR...or should I go back to my original M16 replacement the FN SCAR?

[New Corda]

Even the brand new ones are not very accurate without a lot of aftermarket parts, unless there made in the US.

Who says I'm losing? I'm sure if i posted this in an AR friendly thread I'd be "winning". It's all relative. In this case, their are two sets of "facts", and the majority believe a different set from me.

This thread is AR-friendly; the problem is that you're acting like anything you're saying is new, and like you've already got a set of credentials that give your opinion weight. Both are wrong; people have raged against the AK series before, and they've been proven wrong pretty consistently. Like I said, their examples are always weapons that haven't seen barrel changes or anything more than a quick cleaning since they were built.

Spreewerke, for the record, is our resident AK expert. He's fired a ton, and loves them, but he's not anti-AR. He can hit great groupings with his AKs, and some of them are pretty shit quality. They're not awful or especially inaccurate, like you were claiming, you just don't like them.

That's not and never will be how facts work.

Newer=/=better; modularity isn't as helpful as it sounds in theory, and the best weapon in a given situation depends on that situation.

Yeah, and most are good guns. But they're snipers and DMRs. And they are amazing in that role. A bolt gun is typically far more accurate then a semi. I'm not shitting on bolt action, I just don't think they make good assault weapons.

The proposed use by bolt supporters was essentially as a marksman weapon; bolt users wouldn't be fighting the same way as full-auto ones.

1. I am new here, didn't know, but would like to respectfully say: one occurance does not a stastic make. I'm sure their are people who are accurate with their AKs, but just because they exist does not make them the majority.

3. I agree that new is not always better, but that last is kinda the point of modularity. Regardless, yes the situation is very important.

4. That's what I was saying, maybe you missed it?