MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[New Corda]

Er, he did have long rang weapons...

I hardly consider siege weapons of the era and the Chu-Ko-Nu to be long range, which was also invented centuries after Sun Tzu died.

Obviously the really specific tactical stuff may be out of date, but overall strategy doesn't change much. And besides, what he says may have been direct then, but it's metaphorical now. And that particular bit of wisdom still holds, attacking cities is a waste of men and supplies when you can just go around them and sever their supply lines

[Former Wellboneland]

Scout with a AT gun.

[The Republic of Lanos]

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Scout with a AT gun.

Recoilless rifle, eh? Be prepared to move rapidly when you fire that off.

[Former Wellboneland]

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Scout with a AT gun.

Recoilless rifle, eh? Be prepared to move rapidly when you fire that off.

It is recoil less?

[Bafuria]

Actually, the whole point of SALVO's finding was based on a limited burst of fire, compared to spray 'n' pray.
Funny you should mention Israel's use of 556, the US Army recently had to buy Israeli surplus ammunition because they're using so much of it in Afghanistan, and couldn't manufacture enough of it themselves.

1 billion small arms rounds fired per year with 250,000 per insurgent dropped is pretty astounding statistics, though also understandable.

One should keep in mind that just because more rounds are being fired per kill, it does not necessarily mean that the 5.56 is less effective in any way.
If a man armed with a Mosin-Nagant went up against another man with an AR-15, which would be more likely to win?

The man armed with an AR-15

Which one would fire "more rounds per kill"?

The man armed with the AR-15.

This has nothing to do with less effective ammunition. The AR-15 has a much higher rate of fire and much lower recoil, which encourages faster firing.
If the man with the Mosin had won he would probably only have fired a handful of shots while the man with the AR would have spent half his magazine.

[Spirit of Hope]

Pretty sure an M777 outranges a Longbow bolt by a couple dozen kilometres. And is a damn sight more effective.

Egh, sorry, its a longbow arrow and a crossbow bolt. Me with picky phrasing.

Also most rounds fired in modern combat are harassing/covering fire designed to force enemy forces down to ground, so that you can maneuver around them. Firing more rounds is not necessarily a bad thing. Its a bad thing if your soldiers don't use it the way they are supposed to. The 5.56 is a good young, not a great one. One of its main advantages is its weight, the more you can carry the more you can shoot. Its main failing is in weapons like the M4 where it doesn't have enough time to gain energy, meaning low terminal performance. If you get hit by enemy bullet your likely to be out of the fight.

[New Corda]

Actually, the whole point of SALVO's finding was based on a limited burst of fire, compared to spray 'n' pray.
Funny you should mention Israel's use of 556, the US Army recently had to buy Israeli surplus ammunition because they're using so much of it in Afghanistan, and couldn't manufacture enough of it themselves.

1 billion small arms rounds fired per year with 250,000 per insurgent dropped is pretty astounding statistics, though also understandable.

One should keep in mind that just because more rounds are being fired per kill, it does not necessarily mean that the 5.56 is less effective in any way.
If a man armed with a Mosin-Nagant went up against another man with an AR-15, which would be more likely to win?

The man armed with an AR-15

Which one would fire "more rounds per kill"?

The man armed with the AR-15

This has nothing to do with less effective ammunition. The AR-15 has a much higher rate of fire and much lower recoil, which encourages faster firing.
If the man with the Mosin had won he would probably only have fired a handful of shots while the man with the AR would have spent half his magazine.

Are you picking a bad example on purpose? The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new. You can't compare two guns that are more then 50 years apart like those. Try comparing it to an M14, or a SCAR H. Or an ACR. Of course a relatively modern weapon is going to trump an ancient one

[New Corda]

Pretty sure an M777 outranges a Longbow bolt by a couple dozen kilometres. And is a damn sight more effective.

Egh, sorry, its a longbow arrow and a crossbow bolt. Me with picky phrasing.

Also most rounds fired in modern combat are harassing/covering fire designed to force enemy forces down to ground, so that you can maneuver around them. Firing more rounds is not necessarily a bad thing. Its a bad thing if your soldiers don't use it the way they are supposed to. The 5.56 is a good young, not a great one. One of its main advantages is its weight, the more you can carry the more you can shoot. Its main failing is in weapons like the M4 where it doesn't have enough time to gain energy, meaning low terminal performance. If you get hit by enemy bullet your likely to be out of the fight.

But the 6.8 SPC also has those advantages, plus a lot more. It's like saying a model t is a good car because it has an engine and wheels.

[Immoren]

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Scout with a AT gun.

It should have wheels like this for better mobility.

[Spirit of Hope]

Are you picking a bad example on purpose? The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new. You can't compare two guns that are more then 50 years apart like those. Try comparing it to an M14, or a SCAR H. Or an ACR. Of course a relatively modern weapon is going to trump an ancient one

His point was about ammo spent. The AR-15 "wins" because it encourages firing, which forces your enemy to take cover, allowing you to maneuver. Classic way to win.

But the 6.8 SPC also has those advantages, plus a lot more. It's like saying a model t is a good car because it has an engine and wheels.

Which is why the 6.8 SPC, .280 british and other rounds like it are better. I'm not disagreeing. I just hate when people say the 5.56 is useless, its a pretty good round, but there are better ones out there.

[Former Wellboneland]

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Scout with a AT gun.

It should have wheels like this for better mobility.

Fuck that.
I have yet to see a man who can outsmart missile.

[Arcadiana]

The Arcadianan Armed Forces recently equipted itself with the AR-15 assualt rifle just in time for the War of Ukrainan Secession. It is also being used in the concurrent Boer War.



The G3 which it replaced is also in widespread use as a reservist and cadet rifle. Surpluss stocks of them are also being sold abroad to allied nations.

[New Corda]

Are you picking a bad example on purpose? The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new. You can't compare two guns that are more then 50 years apart like those. Try comparing it to an M14, or a SCAR H. Or an ACR. Of course a relatively modern weapon is going to trump an ancient one

His point was about ammo spent. The AR-15 "wins" because it encourages firing, which forces your enemy to take cover, allowing you to maneuver. Classic way to win.

But the 6.8 SPC also has those advantages, plus a lot more. It's like saying a model t is a good car because it has an engine and wheels.

Which is why the 6.8 SPC, .280 british and other rounds like it are better. I'm not disagreeing. I just hate when people say the 5.56 is useless, its a pretty good round, but there are better ones out there.

But in that case it's only good in a SAW. There are no other advantages to it. In order to be considered "good" it needs an advantage

[Risen Britannia]

It should have wheels like this for better mobility.

Fuck that.
I have yet to see a man who can outsmart missile.

The man who invented flares?

[Immoren]

It should have wheels like this for better mobility.

Fuck that.
I have yet to see a man who can outsmart missile.

All you need to do is outsmart the operator.

[Bafuria]

One should keep in mind that just because more rounds are being fired per kill, it does not necessarily mean that the 5.56 is less effective in any way.
If a man armed with a Mosin-Nagant went up against another man with an AR-15, which would be more likely to win?

The man armed with an AR-15

Which one would fire "more rounds per kill"?

The man armed with the AR-15

This has nothing to do with less effective ammunition. The AR-15 has a much higher rate of fire and much lower recoil, which encourages faster firing.
If the man with the Mosin had won he would probably only have fired a handful of shots while the man with the AR would have spent half his magazine.

Are you picking a bad example on purpose? The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new. You can't compare two guns that are more then 50 years apart like those. Try comparing it to an M14, or a SCAR H. Or an ACR. Of course a relatively modern weapon is going to trump an ancient one

1. Do not trash talk the Mosin/Nagant. It was making holes in GIs when your grandfather was in diapers, and it still is.
2. Okay, let's use more modern weapons.

G3A4 vs. HK416

The 416 has 10 more rounds, less recoil, weighs one kilogram less and is 30 cm shorter.

[Former Wellboneland]

Fuck that.
I have yet to see a man who can outsmart missile.

All you need to do is outsmart the operator.

"Scout do that to me EVERY TIME."
~AT gun operator.

[New Corda]

Are you picking a bad example on purpose? The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new. You can't compare two guns that are more then 50 years apart like those. Try comparing it to an M14, or a SCAR H. Or an ACR. Of course a relatively modern weapon is going to trump an ancient one

1. Do not trash talk the Mosin/Nagant. It was making holes in GIs when your grandfather was in diapers, and it still is.

2. Okay, let's use more modern weapons.

G3A4 vs. HK416

The 416 has 10 more rounds, less recoil, weighs one kilogram less and is 30 cm shorter.

1 . Any Russian weapon has only two features: it's cheap, and it's idiot proof. Because Russians are poor, and their military are idiots. The only reason it's managed to succeed Is because of the only strategy ever used by Russians: bum rush. The fact that the weapons users suffered more casualties then the enemy appears lost on you.

2. Again with the bad examples.

HK416 is an unusually good AR. G3 is an unusually shitty battle rifle.

[Casandmanleon]

Swords and spears.

[Ea90]

The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new.

The Mosin is reliable, accurate, powerful and cheap; it is also the oldest firearm whose variants are still used today. Although, of course, its not perfect (bulky, heavy etc.), I still think of it as an amazing weapon.
I also think it's a good choice for NS; a peasant with minimal training hiding in a bush and using an M91/30 with modern AP ammo could probably take out most enemy soldiers that they're likely to encounter. That's pretty much the basis of the Yanintovian People's Volunteer Army.

[-the Ukrainian SSR-]

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The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new.

The Mosin is reliable, accurate, powerful and cheap; it is also the oldest firearm whose variants are still used today. Although, of course, its not perfect (bulky, heavy etc.), I still think of it as an amazing weapon.
I also think it's a good choice for NS; a peasant with minimal training hiding in a bush and using an M91/30 with modern AP ammo could probably take out most enemy soldiers that they're likely to encounter. That's pretty much the basis of the Yanintovian People's Volunteer Army.

Bravfuckingo.

Oh right, armory...One second.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new.

The Mosin is reliable, accurate, powerful and cheap; it is also the oldest firearm whose variants are still used today. Although, of course, its not perfect (bulky, heavy etc.), I still think of it as an amazing weapon.
I also think it's a good choice for NS; a peasant with minimal training hiding in a bush and using an M91/30 with modern AP ammo could probably take out most enemy soldiers that they're likely to encounter. That's pretty much the basis of the Yanintovian People's Volunteer Army.

Real world armor? Ho yeah. NS armor? Not likely.

[New Corda]

The Mosin-Nagant, like all Russian weapons, is a piece of shit decades behind even when it was new.

The Mosin is reliable, accurate, powerful and cheap; it is also the oldest firearm whose variants are still used today. Although, of course, its not perfect (bulky, heavy etc.), I still think of it as an amazing weapon.
I also think it's a good choice for NS; a peasant with minimal training hiding in a bush and using an M91/30 with modern AP ammo could probably take out most enemy soldiers that they're likely to encounter. That's pretty much the basis of the Yanintovian People's Volunteer Army.

Maybe a farmer resisting a dictatorship, or a dictatorship that is useing a poorly trained military. The only reason it's still around is that it's cheap and very available. You can grab one at your local gun shop for 70 bucks. And that's highway robbery compared to some third world countries. Against trained, skilled, and intelligent troops it would be next to useless. It's not particularly accurate compared to other bolt guns, it's a major bitch to load (Stripper clips might look nice in games, but I can't stand them IRL) and it simply doesnt stand up to even a semi-automatic in combat.

[Lazssia]

The Mosin is reliable, accurate, powerful and cheap; it is also the oldest firearm whose variants are still used today. Although, of course, its not perfect (bulky, heavy etc.), I still think of it as an amazing weapon.
I also think it's a good choice for NS; a peasant with minimal training hiding in a bush and using an M91/30 with modern AP ammo could probably take out most enemy soldiers that they're likely to encounter. That's pretty much the basis of the Yanintovian People's Volunteer Army.

Real world armor? Ho yeah. NS armor? Not likely.

Especially if you're like me and you give your troops plates of Carbon Nanotubes for the trololols.

[New Corda]

this is the light support weapon configuration of our standard Assault Rifle, every six man squad has one heavy gunner armed with this. The primary purpose of this weapon is to provide suppressing fire so that the riflemen and the designated marksman can pick off enemy targets, or reload/move. although every man in the squad is supposed to be proficient with every weapon, the gunner spot is given to the man who shows the most ability with the LSW. Company level elements have a special gun squad equipped with a Negev NG7 7.62 mm machine gun, in case a more powerful automatic weapon is needed.




Specs overview:
caliber: 6.8 Remington SPC
Magazine capacity: 90 rounds
gas system: long stroke piston
firing modes: Semi, Safe, full auto
Magazine: hi capacity quad-stack casket STANAG
barrel length: 40 inches
Overall length 52 inches
Hight: 8 inches
weight: 9 pounds