MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Bafuria]

Gun porn, since it's expected of me (sometimes).

(Image)

Do want.

[Spreewerke]

Gun porn, since it's expected of me (sometimes).

(Image)

Do want.

It's probably one of the easiest to obtain rifle/handgun combinations you can obtain. I believe Bulgarian Makarovs are around $250 or $300 while the WASRs are around $600 now. Not entirely sure, but both (sans ammunition) are definitely sub-$1,000.00 combined. Since the AKM (that's what this WASR is a clone of except I put a muzzle nut on it to replace the slant brake) and the Makarov were used at the same time, for a long time... pretty historically accurate, as well. I'm going to a gun show this Saturday, so I could probably quote you some prices if you're truly interested.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Gun porn, since it's expected of me (sometimes).

(Image)

hhhhhhhhng...

[Bafuria]

Do want.

It's probably one of the easiest to obtain rifle/handgun combinations you can obtain. I believe Bulgarian Makarovs are around $250 or $300 while the WASRs are around $600 now. Not entirely sure, but both (sans ammunition) are definitely sub-$1,000.00 combined. Since the AKM (that's what this WASR is a clone of except I put a muzzle nut on it to replace the slant brake) and the Makarov were used at the same time, for a long time... pretty historically accurate, as well. I'm going to a gun show this Saturday, so I could probably quote you some prices if you're truly interested.

I'm limited by law to manually operated weapons and semi-automatic rimfire weapons only.

*cries into a pillow*

On the bright side it could be worse, I could be living in England.

[Spreewerke]

It's probably one of the easiest to obtain rifle/handgun combinations you can obtain. I believe Bulgarian Makarovs are around $250 or $300 while the WASRs are around $600 now. Not entirely sure, but both (sans ammunition) are definitely sub-$1,000.00 combined. Since the AKM (that's what this WASR is a clone of except I put a muzzle nut on it to replace the slant brake) and the Makarov were used at the same time, for a long time... pretty historically accurate, as well. I'm going to a gun show this Saturday, so I could probably quote you some prices if you're truly interested.

I'm limited by law to manually operated weapons and semi-automatic rimfire weapons only.

*cries into a pillow*


On the bright side it could be worse, I could be living in England.

Like this?

[Alimeria II]

It's probably one of the easiest to obtain rifle/handgun combinations you can obtain. I believe Bulgarian Makarovs are around $250 or $300 while the WASRs are around $600 now. Not entirely sure, but both (sans ammunition) are definitely sub-$1,000.00 combined. Since the AKM (that's what this WASR is a clone of except I put a muzzle nut on it to replace the slant brake) and the Makarov were used at the same time, for a long time... pretty historically accurate, as well. I'm going to a gun show this Saturday, so I could probably quote you some prices if you're truly interested.

I'm limited by law to manually operated weapons and semi-automatic rimfire weapons only.

*cries into a pillow*

On the bright side it could be worse, I could be living in England.

Do you live in the People's Republic of Californa?

[Spreewerke]

Sounds more like New Zealand to me.

EDIT: Maybe Australia.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Semi automatics are banned in Australia aside from a few handguns only available to sporting shooters (and permits are extremely hard to acquire for)

[Bafuria]

Sounds more like New Zealand to me.

EDIT: Maybe Australia.

Iceland actually.

The weapon laws are being changed here, centerfire semi-automatics are going to be banned because a certain Norwegian decided to "save" Europe from immigrants.

[The Republic of Lanos]

I find banning guns to be a massive overreaction and criminalizes lawful gun owners thanks to a nutjob.

But that's just me.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I find banning guns to be a massive overreaction and criminalizes lawful gun owners thanks to a nutjob.

But that's just me.

I find that there really is no legitimate need to have a semi-automatic rifle. But then again, that's just me.

[Spreewerke]

I find banning guns to be a massive overreaction and criminalizes lawful gun owners thanks to a nutjob.

But that's just me.

I find that there really is no legitimate need to have a semi-automatic rifle. But then again, that's just me.

I prefer semi-automatics because it's quicker for me to get a follow-up shot when hunting. Had I been using a bolt-action last year, I wouldn't have gotten the doe that I did. First round missed, so I just shot a second time. Second round hit exactly where it needed to (okay, well, about three inches lower than I would have liked). A semi-automatic rifle is also pretty fun.

[Bafuria]

I find banning guns to be a massive overreaction and criminalizes lawful gun owners thanks to a nutjob.

But that's just me.

I find that there really is no legitimate need to have a semi-automatic rifle. But then again, that's just me.

Need is subjective and irrelevant. Harm isn't.

Semi-automatic long guns are not a major threat to public safety because they don't fit in your pocket. Criminals mostly use small handguns that fit easily in their pockets.

Yes, you can use a semi auto rifle in a mass shooting, but a typical shotgun would be more effective for that purpose.

[Spreewerke]

This is awesome.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I find that there really is no legitimate need to have a semi-automatic rifle. But then again, that's just me.

Need is subjective and irrelevant. Harm isn't.

Semi-automatic long guns are not a major threat to public safety because they don't fit in your pocket. Criminals mostly use small handguns that fit easily in their pockets.

It's curious you say that they aren't a major threat to public safety after you mentioned they were being banned in the wake of the Norwegian massacre. In 1997, they were banned for an identical reason here. It's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible prefer semi-automatic weapons, both rifles and handguns, so it's very easy for me to see why they should be banned. Australia hasn't had semi-auto rifles for 15 years now, aside from the inital two months of uproar over the decision, nobody is lamenting the loss of their rifles which indicates to me that life does go on without them.

[Spreewerke]

Need is subjective and irrelevant. Harm isn't.

Semi-automatic long guns are not a major threat to public safety because they don't fit in your pocket. Criminals mostly use small handguns that fit easily in their pockets.

It's curious you say that they aren't a major threat to public safety after you mentioned they were being banned in the wake of the Norwegian massacre. In 1997, they were banned for an identical reason here. It's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible prefer semi-automatic weapons, both rifles and handguns, so it's very easy for me to see why they should be banned. Australia hasn't had semi-auto rifles for 15 years now, aside from the inital two months of uproar over the decision, nobody is lamenting the loss of their rifles which indicates to me that life does go on without them.

Hate to use logic on you here, but if you ban semi-automatics, [i]"it's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible [will] prefer semi-automatic bolt-action weapons [....]"

Criminals aren't just going to say "Aw, shucky-darn! I can't kill anyone now," if you ban semi-automatics. They will just continue to not give a shit and use whatever they please regardless. That being said, if some street thug 4lyfe decides my house looks like it could contain some things he could sell for some more meffs money, he might decide to bring his semi-automatic "gat." I, too, will bring my semi-automatic "gat" if I happen to be home when he goes in for the theft. It will level the playing field... well, actually, I'd have the upper hand. Why? I, with the semi-automatic AK-103 clone that I have trained with, will be far more efficient with my weapon than the criminal will be who, most likely, stole theirs a week before they decided to commit the crime.

[The Republic of Lanos]

It's curious you say that they aren't a major threat to public safety after you mentioned they were being banned in the wake of the Norwegian massacre. In 1997, they were banned for an identical reason here. It's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible prefer semi-automatic weapons, both rifles and handguns, so it's very easy for me to see why they should be banned. Australia hasn't had semi-auto rifles for 15 years now, aside from the inital two months of uproar over the decision, nobody is lamenting the loss of their rifles which indicates to me that life does go on without them.

Hate to use logic on you here, but if you ban semi-automatics, [i]"it's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible [will] prefer semi-automatic bolt-action weapons [....]"

Criminals aren't just going to say "Aw, shucky-darn! I can't kill anyone now," if you ban semi-automatics. They will just continue to not give a shit and use whatever they please regardless. That being said, if some street thug 4lyfe decides my house looks like it could contain some things he could sell for some more meffs money, he might decide to bring his semi-automatic "gat." I, too, will bring my semi-automatic "gat" if I happen to be home when he goes in for the theft. It will level the playing field... well, actually, I'd have the upper hand. Why? I, with the semi-automatic AK-103 clone that I have trained with, will be far more efficient with my weapon than the criminal will be who, most likely, stole theirs a week before they decided to commit the crime.

That's what gets me. The criminals will still have the guns even if you take them all away and we'll have to be content with being robbed in our houses by an armed intruder without any means of defense. Oh wait, you could use a bat. But then they'll ban bats and then...see where I'm going?

[Vitaphone Racing]

It's curious you say that they aren't a major threat to public safety after you mentioned they were being banned in the wake of the Norwegian massacre. In 1997, they were banned for an identical reason here. It's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible prefer semi-automatic weapons, both rifles and handguns, so it's very easy for me to see why they should be banned. Australia hasn't had semi-auto rifles for 15 years now, aside from the inital two months of uproar over the decision, nobody is lamenting the loss of their rifles which indicates to me that life does go on without them.

Hate to use logic on you here, but if you ban semi-automatics, [i]"it's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible [will] prefer semi-automatic bolt-action weapons [....]"

Criminals aren't just going to say "Aw, shucky-darn! I can't kill anyone now," if you ban semi-automatics. They will just continue to not give a shit and use whatever they please regardless. That being said, if some street thug 4lyfe decides my house looks like it could contain some things he could sell for some more meffs money, he might decide to bring his semi-automatic "gat." I, too, will bring my semi-automatic "gat" if I happen to be home when he goes in for the theft. It will level the playing field... well, actually, I'd have the upper hand. Why? I, with the semi-automatic AK-103 clone that I have trained with, will be far more efficient with my weapon than the criminal will be who, most likely, stole theirs a week before they decided to commit the crime.

What's easier to kill a load of people with, a bolt-action or a semi-automatic? You mentioned yourself that you prefer a semi-automatic because of the faster rate of fire and if I ever got the urge to shoot up a mall, I'd be thinking the same way. You can still hunt with a bolt action, you can still shoot feral animals with a bolt action and you can still have a little bit of fun with a bolt action therefore I can fully understand why we have these restrictions in place; because nobody actually needs a semi-automatic. Doesn't mean I like them, doesn't mean I hate semi-automatics, but it means I understand what these restrictions are for.

[Spreewerke]

Hate to use logic on you here, but if you ban semi-automatics, "it's no secret that people who want to kill as many people as possible [will] prefer semi-automatic bolt-action weapons [....]"

Criminals aren't just going to say "Aw, shucky-darn! I can't kill anyone now," if you ban semi-automatics. They will just continue to not give a shit and use whatever they please regardless. That being said, if some street thug 4lyfe decides my house looks like it could contain some things he could sell for some more meffs money, he might decide to bring his semi-automatic "gat." I, too, will bring my semi-automatic "gat" if I happen to be home when he goes in for the theft. It will level the playing field... well, actually, I'd have the upper hand. Why? I, with the semi-automatic AK-103 clone that I have trained with, will be far more efficient with my weapon than the criminal will be who, most likely, stole theirs a week before they decided to commit the crime.

What's easier to kill a load of people with, a bolt-action or a semi-automatic? You mentioned yourself that you prefer a semi-automatic because of the faster rate of fire and if I ever got the urge to shoot up a mall, I'd be thinking the same way. You can still hunt with a bolt action, you can still shoot feral animals with a bolt action and you can still have a little bit of fun with a bolt action therefore I can fully understand why we have these restrictions in place; because nobody actually needs a semi-automatic. Doesn't mean I like them, doesn't mean I hate semi-automatics, but it means I understand what these restrictions are for.

The bolt-action rifles so many say are "okay" can generally penetrate and destroy twice as much material/flesh as a "scary assault rifle!" Seriously: I shot a regular ol' brick with a Yugoslavian M48 in 7.92x57mm IS. It turned to dust with some large pieces; none over about 1.5" in size, and that was the big pieces. I shot a brick from a closer distance (read; about the most energy I could get out of the round fired) with my SGL 21-94 and it just split it into three large pieces with some smaller debris. If you'd rather I used something that could go through ten people after going through some drywall (bolt-action), be my guest. If you'd rather I used something that creates lesser wounds and penetrates less material (read: less collateral casualties and easier-to-medically-address wounds), I can and already do do that.


EDIT TO ADD: That being said, I own four bolt-action rifles, four semi-automatic rifles, a single-shot shotgun, a pump-action shotgun, four semi-automatic handguns, and those are just my military/police style firearms (because I actually collect these).

[Spreewerke]

Besides, banning the "fast-shootin'!" semi-automatics wouldn't do too much.

Reason being? 'Ze Enfield.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiajgOeK ... re=related

[Vitaphone Racing]

What's easier to kill a load of people with, a bolt-action or a semi-automatic? You mentioned yourself that you prefer a semi-automatic because of the faster rate of fire and if I ever got the urge to shoot up a mall, I'd be thinking the same way. You can still hunt with a bolt action, you can still shoot feral animals with a bolt action and you can still have a little bit of fun with a bolt action therefore I can fully understand why we have these restrictions in place; because nobody actually needs a semi-automatic. Doesn't mean I like them, doesn't mean I hate semi-automatics, but it means I understand what these restrictions are for.

The bolt-action rifles so many say are "okay" can generally penetrate and destroy twice as much material/flesh as a "scary assault rifle!" Seriously: I shot a regular ol' brick with a Yugoslavian M48 in 7.92x57mm IS. It turned to dust with some large pieces; none over about 1.5" in size, and that was the big ones. I shot a brick from a closer distance (read; about the most energy I could get out of the round fired) with my SGL 21-94 and it just split it into three large pieces with some smaller debris. If you'd rather I used something that could go through ten people after going through some drywall (bolt-action), be my guest. If you'd rather I used something that creates lesser wounds and penetrates less material (read: less collateral casualties and easier-to-medically-address wounds), I can and already do do that.


EDIT TO ADD: That being said, I own four bolt-action rifles, four semi-automatic rifles, a single-shot shotgun, a pump-action shotgun, four semi-automatic handguns, and those are just my military/police style firearms (because I actually collect these).

Bolt action rifles which can actually do that are restricted tightly here too.

State laws govern the possession and use of firearms in Australia. These laws were largely aligned under the 1996 National Agreement on Firearms. Anyone wishing to possess or use a firearm must have a Firearms Licence and, with some exceptions, be over the age of 18. Owners must have secure storage for their firearms.

Before someone can buy a firearm, he or she must obtain a Permit To Acquire. The first permit has a mandatory 28-day delay before it is first issued. In some states (e.g. Queensland, Victoria, and New South Wales), this is waived for second and subsequent firearms of the same class. For each firearm a "Genuine Reason" must be given, relating to pest control, hunting, target shooting, or collecting. Self-defense is not accepted as a reason for issuing a license, even though it may be legal under certain circumstances to use a legally held firearm for self-defense.[2]

Each firearm in Australia must be registered to the owner by serial number. Some states allow an owner to store or borrow another person's registered firearm of the same category.

[edit] Firearms categories

Firearms in Australia are grouped into Categories with different levels of control. The categories are:
Category A: Rimfire rifles (not semi-automatic), shotguns (not pump-action or semi-automatic), air rifles, and paintball markers. A "Genuine Reason" must be provided for a Category A firearm.
Category B: Centrefire rifles (not semi-automatic), muzzleloading firearms made after 1 January 1901. A "Genuine Need" must be demonstrated, including why a Category A firearm would not be suitable.
Category C: Semi-automatic rimfire rifles holding 10 or fewer rounds and pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding 5 or fewer rounds. Category C firearms are strongly restricted: only primary producers, occupational shooters, collectors and some clay target shooters can own functional Category C firearms.
Category D: Semi-automatic centrefire rifles, pump-action or semi-automatic shotguns holding more than 5 rounds. Functional Category D firearms are restricted to government agencies and a few occupational shooters. Collectors may own deactivated Category D firearms.
Category H: Handguns including air pistols and deactivated handguns. this class is available to target shooters. To be eligible for a Category H firearm a target shooter must serve a probationary period of six months using club handguns, and a minimum number of matches yearly to retain each category of handgun.
Target shooters are limited to handguns of .38 or 9mm calibre or less and magazines may hold a maximum of 10 rounds. Participants in certain "approved" pistol competitions may acquire handguns up to .45", currently Single Action Shooting and Metallic Silhouette. IPSC shooting is not "approved" for the larger calibres, for as 9mm/.38/.357 handguns meet the IPSC rules. Category H barrels must be at least 100mm (3.94") long for revolvers, and 120mm (4.72") for semi-automatic pistols unless the pistols are clearly ISSF target pistols: magazines are restricted to 10 rounds. Handguns held as part of a collection were exempted from these limits. Category R/E: Restricted weapons: machine guns, rocket launchers, assault rifles, flame-throwers, anti-tank guns, Howitzers, artillery, etc. can be owned by collectors in some states provided that these weapons have been rendered permanently inoperable. They are subject to the same storage and licensing requirements as fully functioning firearms.

Certain Antique firearms can in some states be legally held without licences. In other states they are subject to the same requirements as modern firearms.

All single-shot muzzleloading firearms manufactured before 1 January 1901 are considered antique firearms. Four states require licences for antique percussion revolvers and cartridge repeating firearms, but in Queensland and Victoria a person may possess such a firearm without a license, so long as the firearm is registered (percussion revolvers require a license in Victoria).

Australia has very tight restrictions on items which are far less controlled in comparable societies such as the UK. Air pistols, elsewhere unrestricted, are as difficult to get as centrefire and rimfire handguns, and low-powered airguns are as difficult as cartridge arms to license. Airsoft guns are banned in all states and non-firing replicas banned in most. Suppressors (or 'silencers') which are legal in the UK and New Zealand, are extremely restricted in Australia to a few government bodies

[Spreewerke]

I'm glad my country allows me to have fun.

[Vitaphone Racing]

I'm glad my country allows me to have fun.

Oh we can have fun here. We just need a permit for it.

[Spreewerke]

I'm glad my country allows me to have fun.

Oh we can have fun here. We just need a permit for it.

Eh, the only thing we need permits for are concealed weapons.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

Gun porn, since it's expected of me (sometimes).

(Image)

God damn it Spree. What did I tell you about breaking these out when I'm low on singles?

You little Romanian minx you.

EDIT: Tripple typo. I must now commit seppku.