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Postby Yes Im Biop » Wed May 30, 2012 6:36 pm

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Won't penetrate any modern top attack composite.


Sauce?


The round's width is thinner than the armor its trying to kill, Its mass isnt enough, and the Gun is capable of running for about 5 seconds before emptying the entire reserve
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Postby Galla- » Wed May 30, 2012 6:38 pm

New Corda wrote:
Galla- wrote:
Won't penetrate any modern top attack composite.


Sauce?


FAS quoted figures on PGU-14 wrote:Armor penetration
69mm at 500 meters
38mm at 1000 meters


Contemporary EFP top attack warheads wrote:SADARM
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Modern top attack armour such as AMAP-R provides protection against SADARM, or at least Motiv-3, which renders modern main battle tanks mostly immune to GAU-8 gunfire.

You'll still fuck up optics and guns, but that can be done with a 20mm Vulcan.
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Postby Indeos » Wed May 30, 2012 6:41 pm

Galla- wrote:
New Corda wrote:
Sauce?


FAS quoted figures on PGU-14 wrote:Armor penetration
69mm at 500 meters
38mm at 1000 meters


Contemporary EFP top attack warheads wrote:SADARM
US
155mm cannon
35 Ghz MMW Sensor (Active and Passive), 8-14μ IR sensor
130m (est) 165m (est) P3I
135mm RHA penetration @ 100 meters
INA
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Motiv-3M
Russia
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100m
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Copper penetrator, Ball slug
90km
Full Production


Modern top attack armour such as AMAP-R provides protection against SADARM, or at least Motiv-3, which renders modern main battle tanks mostly immune to GAU-8 gunfire.

You'll still fuck up optics and guns, but that can be done with a 20mm Vulcan.


That could probably be done with that cool 15mm FN or whatever.
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Postby Galla- » Wed May 30, 2012 6:43 pm

Indeos wrote:
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Modern top attack armour such as AMAP-R provides protection against SADARM, or at least Motiv-3, which renders modern main battle tanks mostly immune to GAU-8 gunfire.

You'll still fuck up optics and guns, but that can be done with a 20mm Vulcan.


That could probably be done with that cool 15mm FN or whatever.


1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.
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Postby Indeos » Wed May 30, 2012 6:52 pm

Galla- wrote:
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That could probably be done with that cool 15mm FN or whatever.


1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.


1) He's talking about mounting it on a tank. As a tank destroyer.
2) Yeah, but I'd imagine that it's sufficient for any current RL tank.
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 6:56 pm

Indeos wrote:
Galla- wrote:
1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.


1) He's talking about mounting it on a tank. As a tank destroyer.
2) Yeah, but I'd imagine that it's sufficient for any current RL tank.


Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design
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Postby Indeos » Wed May 30, 2012 6:57 pm

New Corda wrote:
Indeos wrote:
1) He's talking about mounting it on a tank. As a tank destroyer.
2) Yeah, but I'd imagine that it's sufficient for any current RL tank.


Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design


That still doesn't make it a tank destroyer, since it couldn't destroy tanks.
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 6:58 pm

Indeos wrote:
New Corda wrote:
Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design


That still doesn't make it a tank destroyer, since it couldn't destroy tanks.


whatever
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed May 30, 2012 6:58 pm

New Corda wrote:
Indeos wrote:
1) He's talking about mounting it on a tank. As a tank destroyer.
2) Yeah, but I'd imagine that it's sufficient for any current RL tank.


Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design

30mm getting gun for spewing explosive ammo. That would suppress any infantry I know of...
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 7:00 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
New Corda wrote:
Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design

30mm getting gun for spewing explosive ammo. That would suppress any infantry I know of...


Yeah, but so does the Leatherneck's 20mm Coaxial
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 30, 2012 7:00 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
New Corda wrote:
Mostly intended it for Rule of Cool, it would never see actually use in a war RP, just be something fun to design

30mm getting gun for spewing explosive ammo. That would suppress any infantry I know of...

How about turning entire SPAAG formations on infantry? Dear god, the screams...
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 7:03 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:30mm getting gun for spewing explosive ammo. That would suppress any infantry I know of...

How about turning entire SPAAG formations on infantry? Dear god, the screams...


Well, that's the Anti-Air Loggerhead's main defensive tactic against infantry

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4 fully automatic 50mm flak cannons... must be damned painful
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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Wed May 30, 2012 7:11 pm

New Corda wrote:
Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:How about turning entire SPAAG formations on infantry? Dear god, the screams...


Well, that's the Anti-Air Loggerhead's main defensive tactic against infantry

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4 fully automatic 50mm flak cannons... must be damned painful

It looks rather small for a 50mm.
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 7:13 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
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Well, that's the Anti-Air Loggerhead's main defensive tactic against infantry

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4 fully automatic 50mm flak cannons... must be damned painful

It looks rather small for a 50mm.


Maybe, I didn't really bother too much with scale on the turret
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Wed May 30, 2012 7:16 pm

New Corda wrote:(Image)

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lol merkabrams (why)

any particular reason for the downwards-pointing fume extractor

Galla- wrote:
Indeos wrote:
That could probably be done with that cool 15mm FN or whatever.


1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.


Optics and what-not tend to be armored against .50-ish ammunition at a minimum.
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed May 30, 2012 7:18 pm

Nirvash Type TheEND wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:30mm getting gun for spewing explosive ammo. That would suppress any infantry I know of...

How about turning entire SPAAG formations on infantry? Dear god, the screams...


I mean it would work well but something about the 30mm gatling gun speaks to me, plus it could do service as a SPAAG
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Postby New Corda » Wed May 30, 2012 7:20 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:
New Corda wrote:(Image)

NeykNeykNeykNeykNeykNeykNeyk


lol merkabrams (why)

any particular reason for the downwards-pointing fume extractor

Galla- wrote:
1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.


Optics and what-not tend to be armored against .50-ish ammunition at a minimum.


I liked the look of the Abrams turret and the Merkava chassis. Decided to slap them together, given that I'm not overly familiar with tanks. Personally, I like the result.

Liked the look. Is there something wrong with that, functionally?
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Postby Anomalous Research and Containment » Wed May 30, 2012 7:23 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:
New Corda wrote:(Image)

NeykNeykNeykNeykNeykNeykNeyk


lol merkabrams (why)

any particular reason for the downwards-pointing fume extractor

Galla- wrote:
1) Not an aircraft gun.
2) It could probably be armoured against. It's still more .50 BMG than 20mm Vulcan.


Optics and what-not tend to be armored against .50-ish ammunition at a minimum.


rly? o:

i thot they were just armoured against shell fragments, hence the whole shooting small arms at vision blocks and sights on tanks as a last resort type thing

ofc that is a last resort type thing so yeah youre probably right you know more about tanks >:

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed May 30, 2012 7:26 pm

So. . . eh. . . quick question. I'm currently rethinking my gyrojet rifle, and I was wondering something. Exactly how much damage would a 13mm self-contained, self-propelled rocket fired from a gyrojet rifle actually do?
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Wed May 30, 2012 7:28 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:So. . . eh. . . quick question. I'm currently rethinking my gyrojet rifle, and I was wondering something. Exactly how much damage would a 13mm self-contained, self-propelled rocket fired from a gyrojet rifle actually do?

At short ranges it wouldn't be able to do much damage (no enough velocity) at medium and long ranges I would imagine it would be rather devastating.
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Postby Indeos » Wed May 30, 2012 7:30 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:So. . . eh. . . quick question. I'm currently rethinking my gyrojet rifle, and I was wondering something. Exactly how much damage would a 13mm self-contained, self-propelled rocket fired from a gyrojet rifle actually do?

At short ranges it wouldn't be able to do much damage (no enough velocity) at medium and long ranges I would imagine it would be rather devastating.


You could theoretically make a gyrojet rifle with higher launch velocity. The biggest problem would be accuracy; the originals had little. (Oh, and the gyrojets did accelerate really fast; 1250 fps by 30 feet is good enough to hurt at basically any range you should actually be at.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed May 30, 2012 7:31 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:At short ranges it wouldn't be able to do much damage (no enough velocity) at medium and long ranges I would imagine it would be rather devastating.

That's the weakness of the gyrojet, sadly. I use them for longer range battles, such as in deserts and whatnot, along with use by snipers. Erm, exactly how devastating are we talking, here?
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Postby Spreewerke » Wed May 30, 2012 7:31 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:At short ranges it wouldn't be able to do much damage (no enough velocity) at medium and long ranges I would imagine it would be rather devastating.


You could theoretically make a gyrojet rifle with higher launch velocity. The biggest problem would be accuracy; the originals had little.


The originals had pretty decent accuracy (for what it was: a mini-rocket) until the manufacturing process of the rockets went all screwy. Then they sucked. Hard.
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Wed May 30, 2012 7:32 pm

Indeos wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:At short ranges it wouldn't be able to do much damage (no enough velocity) at medium and long ranges I would imagine it would be rather devastating.


You could theoretically make a gyrojet rifle with higher launch velocity. The biggest problem would be accuracy; the originals had little.

Eh, from what I've gathered, it was a matter of poor technological availability. They were too complex for the sixties, and suffered from poor quality, coming out of manufacturing.
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