MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Galla-]

That explains why the HK416 and G36 pass over the beach almost flawlessly while the M4 breaks down and cries.

M4 isn't glaringly unreliable. That's a myth, much like the "AKs are inaccurate" and ".308 kicks a lot", regurgitated through years of Internet gun forum trollery and refuted by most real world experience.

HK416 is like the expensive version of every other piston conversion kit out there, btw.

[Mosasauria]

We have 3 primary infantry weapons.

M16A2 Assault Rifle

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M16A4 Assault Rifle

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M4 Carbine

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What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

[Mosasauria]

That explains why the HK416 and G36 pass over the beach almost flawlessly while the M4 breaks down and cries.

The M4 isn't that unreliable. It's good, it's just that, like every other weapon, people forget to clean it, or they don't clean it at all.

[Indeos]

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

It's because they were stubborn and wouldn't take .280 British instead of a stupid full-power round. There's also a reason why lots of people are making better intermediates that fit 5.56 rifles: the 5.56 is still sorta shitty because it's not general-purpose.

[Bafuria]

We have 3 primary infantry weapons.

M16A2 Assault Rifle

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M16A4 Assault Rifle

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M4 Carbine

(Image)

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svwm_k9hYk

The .223 will seriously fuck your shit up. Don't underestimate it.

[Die Argentinische Reich]

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

It's because they were stubborn and wouldn't take .280 British instead of a stupid full-power round. There's also a reason why lots of people are making better intermediates that fit 5.56 rifles: the 5.56 is still sorta shitty because it's not general-purpose.

I was mainly talking about the switch from 7.62 to 5.56, but you are nonetheless correct.
Except for Mk. 262 5.56. That's a variant that's accurate and powerful out to long ranges, making it good for DMR roles, such as the Mk. 12 SPR.

[Galla-]

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

Out to about 300m.

Fine for Europe.

Sucks when the bad guys are sitting on a mountain top of a half kilometer away and plinking with SVDs and PKs, or hiding behind solid concrete masonry a half foot thick.

Of course both problems have been relatively well patched with M855A1.

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svwm_k9hYk

The .223 will seriously fuck your shit up. Don't underestimate it.

Yes, but .308 or .350 will fuck your shit up even more.

It's because they were stubborn and wouldn't take .280 British instead of a stupid full-power round. There's also a reason why lots of people are making better intermediates that fit 5.56 rifles: the 5.56 is still sorta shitty because it's not general-purpose.

I was mainly talking about the switch from 7.62 to 5.56, but you are nonetheless correct.
Except for Mk. 262 5.56. That's a variant that's accurate and powerful out to long ranges, making it good for DMR roles, such as the Mk. 12 SPR.

Power is positively meaningless when talking about bullets, and DMRs are just infantry rifles with scopes attached for shooting out to 500 yards.

Any M16 in the hands of a Marine can do that.

[Die Argentinische Reich]

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svwm_k9hYk

The .223 will seriously fuck your shit up. Don't underestimate it.

Most, if not all, metal things going through your body of any velocity, size, or shape, whether they be from a firearm or from a blade, will fuck your shit up.

[Bafuria]

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

It's because they were stubborn and wouldn't take .280 British instead of a stupid full-power round. There's also a reason why lots of people are making better intermediates that fit 5.56 rifles: the 5.56 is still sorta shitty because it's not general-purpose.

It is general purpose, you do not generally have to kill the enemy at more than 300 meters. There is no reason to make all fighting soldiers carry overly powerful rifles for long range shooting. Similarly, you don't issue anti-tank rockets to every soldier.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

An AK chambered for .280 British... wet dreams?

[Die Argentinische Reich]

You know, there were reasons why the US switched to 5.56. I suggest you research them.
And even today, an M16A1-A4 will kill consistently and easily when using most variants of 5.56.

Out to about 300m.

Fine for Europe.

Sucks when the bad guys are sitting on a mountain top of a half kilometer away and plinking with SVDs and PKs, or hiding behind solid concrete masonry a half foot thick.

Of course both problems have been relatively well patched with M855A1.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Svwm_k9hYk

The .223 will seriously fuck your shit up. Don't underestimate it.

Yes, but .308 or .350 will fuck your shit up even more.

Don't forget Mk. 262. My other favorite 5.56 variant.

[Die Argentinische Reich]

An AK chambered for .280 British... wet dreams?

Closest thing to it.

[Spreewerke]

An AK chambered for .280 British... wet dreams?

Closest thing to it.

Actually, I've seen an advertisement for an Izhmash-made MOLOT-made AK VEPR in 6.5 Grendel. Not sure if it was an "up and coming" or actually in production yet, but I did see an ad for it.

EDIT: Fixed for screw-ups.

[Indeos]

It's because they were stubborn and wouldn't take .280 British instead of a stupid full-power round. There's also a reason why lots of people are making better intermediates that fit 5.56 rifles: the 5.56 is still sorta shitty because it's not general-purpose.

It is general purpose, you do not generally have to kill the enemy at more than 300 meters. There is no reason to make all fighting soldiers carry overly powerful rifles for long range shooting. Similarly, you don't issue anti-tank rockets to every soldier.

IIRC it's inconsistent at that point. .280 British is hardly overly powerful; you're back to doing that thing where you think anyone arguing against 5.56 is arguing for an lollarge BR round. There's no disadvantage to using a round that can make every man a DM in a pinch just like there's no disadvantage to issuing scopes. They're not being forced to engage at longer ranges, they're just being given the option.

[Indeos]

An AK chambered for .280 British... wet dreams?

Closest thing to it.

Original FAL was .280B. Considering the fact that the FAL is basically just as reliable and simple as the AK series...Yeah, already done.

[Xekliv]

http://i25.tinypic.com/k4xsa8.png

FUCK YOUR SHIT

[Die Argentinische Reich]

Closest thing to it.

Original FAL was .280B. Considering the fact that the FAL is basically just as reliable and simple as the AK series...Yeah, already done.

IIRC, the FAL's operating system is similar to the Gewehr 43'sSVT-40, of which, IIRC, the G43's operating system is based off of, operating system, so you're not too far off at all.

[Spreewerke]

Edited my above post to correct the following: wasn't an Izhmash AK in 6.5G, but a MOLOT VEPR in 6.5G.

Proofs:

[Die Argentinische Reich]

http://i25.tinypic.com/k4xsa8.png

How could you be such a heartless monster!? What did my eyes ever do to you?!

[Die Argentinische Reich]

Edited my above post to correct the following: wasn't an Izhmash AK in 6.5G, but a MOLOT VEPR in 6.5G.

Proofs:
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Damn close enough.

[Galla-]

Original FAL was .280B. Considering the fact that the FAL is basically just as reliable and simple as the AK series...Yeah, already done.

IIRC, the FAL's operating system is similar to the Gewehr 43's operating system, so you're not too far off at all.

More like the SVT-40, since the G-43 is just a copy of F.V. Tokarev's rifle.

[Indeos]

Original FAL was .280B. Considering the fact that the FAL is basically just as reliable and simple as the AK series...Yeah, already done.

IIRC, the FAL's operating system is similar to the Gewehr 43's operating system, so you're not too far off at all.

The AK vs. AR debate is silly; it should be AK vs. FAL. Communism vs. the glorious Right Arm of the Free World.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

http://i25.tinypic.com/k4xsa8.png

FUCK YOUR SHIT

No no no, good sir. It is your shit that will be fucked.

[Xekliv]

http://i25.tinypic.com/k4xsa8.png

How could you be such a heartless monster!? What did my eyes ever do to you?!

you havent seen our sidearm yet

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

IIRC, the FAL's operating system is similar to the Gewehr 43's operating system, so you're not too far off at all.

The AK vs. AR debate is silly; it should be AK vs. FAL. Communism vs. the glorious Right Arm of the Free World.

Socialism is best ism. But that's a debate for another thread.