MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Boloria]

M4 simply since it is a versatile weapon.

[Coltarin]

I want a hand gun version

Whilst it may seem that I hate the skeletal structure of anyone using my guns, I am not actually actively looking to break peoples wrists. So no, you don't get a pistol version...

but but fine...

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Can anyone help me?
http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/wind ... ac5f869427
I've worked out that I can use the forum while unable to use gameside on my laptop, but there are other websites that are down for me, too.

[New Corda]

M4 simply since it is a versatile weapon.

Not really. The AR-15 is a versitile weapon, the M4 is an overly short, underpowered and unreliable castrated version of the AR-15

[Sevvania]

...Im not sure you would want to hold a bullpup revolver (unless you were sure it was 100% sealed)

Use the chamber-sealing feature found in the Nagant revolver.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Aye, that's an odd co-incidence. Maybe the design simply lends itself to that re-patterning?

Must be. Or maybe it's the desire to cram a battle rifle into the smallest possible space.

Mine's more P90 than PDR, though:

If the Doberman Carbine was RFB action and not FAL-pattern, I could wave it at you at this moment.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

...Im not sure you would want to hold a bullpup revolver (unless you were sure it was 100% sealed)

Use the chamber-sealing feature found in the Nagant revolver.

It does.
That chamber has to unseal sometime shortly after firing however. Plus, it might snag clothing on rotation.

[Risen Britannia]

...Im not sure you would want to hold a bullpup revolver (unless you were sure it was 100% sealed)

Use the chamber-sealing feature found in the Nagant revolver.

one quick (bad) bullpup conversion later...

[Spreewerke]

M4 simply since it is a versatile weapon.

Not really. The AR-15 is a versitile weapon, the M4 is an overly short, underpowered and unreliable castrated version of the AR-15

It's good enough out to 300m which is pretty much the limit for your basic infantry weapon. Identifying human targets beyond that is nearly impossible with the eye, anyway. I don't like the weapon system too much myself, but in all respects, it is pretty decent within its practical range (0-300m).


EDIT: That being said, I think the military should have just put a collapsible stock on the full-length infantry rifle instead of make an entirely "new" carbine to, more or less, get a rifle for smaller and/or more mobile troops. My friend in the National Guard said her smaller squadmates were given M4s since the regular 'A2 was too large for them. If that holds any water, I'm 99% sure that a collapsible stock on the regular 'A2 would have solved pretty much every problem they may have had.

[Alimeria II]

M4 simply since it is a versatile weapon.

Not really. The AR-15 is a versitile weapon, the M4 is an overly short, underpowered and unreliable castrated version of the AR-15

And the AR is still underpowered.

Unless you are talking about the .308 AR-10 and ARs in Higher calibers.

Anything powered in .223 or similar is a underpowered weapon that should only be used to train a prepubescent girl how to shoot. Like any proper Montanan will do.

[Indeos]

Not really. The AR-15 is a versitile weapon, the M4 is an overly short, underpowered and unreliable castrated version of the AR-15

It's good enough out to 300m which is pretty much the limit for your basic infantry weapon. Identifying human targets beyond that is nearly impossible with the eye, anyway. I don't like the weapon system too much myself, but in all respects, it is pretty decent within its practical range (0-300m).


EDIT: That being said, I think the military should have just put a collapsible stock on the full-length infantry rifle instead of make an entirely "new" carbine to, more or less, get a rifle for smaller and/or more mobile troops. My friend in the National Guard said her smaller squadmates were given M4s since the regular 'A2 was too large for them.

Technically speaking, it's not consistently deadly out to 300m, which is why we complain about it.

[Risen Britannia]

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[Galla-]

M4 simply since it is a versatile weapon.

Not really. The AR-15 is a versitile weapon, the M4 is an overly short, underpowered and unreliable castrated version of the AR-15

M4 is about as reliable as any other Stoner rifle...

The problem with the AR-15 MWS isn't the operation, but the cartridge, and most of the issues of barrier penetration and accuracy were solved with M855A1.

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This is why I want an SKS-D.

[Alimeria II]

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What did they do to that stylish SKS rifle? Where's the Deer-hunting stock? At least give it a Thumbhole stock. Or a pistol grip stock made out of wood.

Also, I made my daily .223 dissing post. Just look till you see my flag.

[Camthonland]

We have 3 primary infantry weapons.

M16A2 Assault Rifle



M16A4 Assault Rifle



M4 Carbine

[Alimeria II]

We have 3 primary infantry weapons.

M16A2 Assault Rifle

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M16A4 Assault Rifle

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M4 Carbine

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What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

[Spirit of Hope]

What has your military done to you? You should be giving them the better M14 with a far better round. The only thing the .223 is superior to is the .22 Rimfire.

You really hate the .223/5.56 don't you? I mean yea I have some problems with it, but you seam to loath it. The M16 wasn't that bad a rifle and the later versions got rid of many of the problems that the early version had. The M4 is bad mainly because it tries to shoot the 5.56 before all of the powder can burn and the bullet can achieve good power and flight.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

M16A2 and on are short stroke piston right? Along with the M4?

[Galla-]

M16A2 and on are short stroke piston right? Along with the M4?

No, they're all direct impingement...

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

M16A2 and on are short stroke piston right? Along with the M4?

No, they're all direct impingement...

That's what I was thinking. Which AR bastardizations are piston run?

[Indeos]

No, they're all direct impingement...

That's what I was thinking. Which AR bastardizations are piston run?

HK makes a few, and I know there are a bunch of conversions.

[Galla-]

No, they're all direct impingement...

That's what I was thinking. Which AR bastardizations are piston run?

Probably 80% of them.

[Spreewerke]

No, they're all direct impingement...

That's what I was thinking. Which AR bastardizations are piston run?

THE HK416 is the closest thing to a piston-AR. It's really only an M16/M4 in appearance, though. The Daewoo K2 is another .223 long-stroke piston rifle along with the SIG 556 (I know, not military, but that's what I have access to at the moment, and it's closer to an AR than the legit Swiss military 500-series), and I think that's about the closest ones I can think of that are piston-driven and use STANAG mags. Also, .223 may not be as powerful as .308 (or other cartridges, of course), but it is quite effective. I think the problem with it is that, since its adoption, I don't think we've really fought any legit military forces. The FMJ and Green Tip and such is pretty good at penetrating (for .223), but that's part of the problem. Shooting a guy in a t-shirt or a light jacket with a barrier-penetrating cartridge won't cause that large of a wound. It'd be like stabbing a guy through-and-through with an icepick, whereas 7.62x39mm, for example, would be more along the lines of hitting them with a hammer. A lot of people like the armor piercing capabilities of 5.7x27 (is that the proper case length?) that the FN P90 and FN Five-seveN use: it's cool that it does that. However, is armor-piercing capability really that useful against non-armored targets? I don't personally think so. I feel that, if the military were allowed to use expanding ammunition, the .223 cartridge could easily (compared to current loads) stop the types of threats we most often encounter: currently, unarmored insurgents/guerrillas/militant rebels/etc.


EDIT: Is the ACR considered an "AR bastardization"?

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

That explains why the HK416 and G36 pass over the beach almost flawlessly while the M4 breaks down and cries.

[Nirvash Type TheEND]

That's what I was thinking. Which AR bastardizations are piston run?

THE HK416 is the closest thing to a piston-AR. It's really only an M16/M4 in appearance, though. The Daewoo K2 is another .223 long-stroke piston rifle along with the SIG 556 (I know, not military, but that's what I have access to at the moment, and it's closer to an AR than the legit Swiss military 500-series), and I think that's about the closest ones I can think of that are piston-driven and use STANAG mags. Also, .223 may not be as powerful as .308 (or other cartridges, of course), but it is quite effective. I think the problem with it is that, since its adoption, I don't think we've really fought any legit military forces. The FMJ and Green Tip and such is pretty good at penetrating (for .223), but that's part of the problem. Shooting a guy in a t-shirt or a light jacket with a barrier-penetrating cartridge won't cause that large of a wound. It'd be like stabbing a guy through-and-through with an icepick, whereas 7.62x39mm, for example, would be more along the lines of hitting them with a hammer. A lot of people like the armor piercing capabilities of 5.7x27 (is that the proper case length?) that the FN P90 and FN Five-seveN use: it's cool that it does that. However, is armor-piercing capability really that useful against non-armored targets? I don't personally think so. I feel that, if the military were allowed to use expanding ammunition, the .223 cartridge could easily (compared to current loads) stop the types of threats we most often encounter: currently, unarmored insurgents/guerrillas/militant rebels/etc.


EDIT: Is the ACR considered an "AR bastardization"?

ACR is an AR improvement. Also what you said is pretty damn true. That and I may be alone in this, but I'd rather get hit by an expanding round. I don't want to sit there for potentially tens of minutes bleeding out waiting for joe to come save me or charlie to fuck me up.

EDIT: On the flip side, getting hit with one of those AP or P+ rounds and it going clean through could leave me operational and get me home to honey. Tough choice.