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Postby New Corda » Mon May 28, 2012 3:23 pm

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Postby Crookfur » Mon May 28, 2012 3:32 pm

New Corda wrote:OK folks, the Shoulder-Launched, Multi-Purpose Guided Missile, Type 231 "Archer" System

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Included are the missile itself (Arrow), Missile tube (Quiver) and the Launcher Unit (Bow). The Arrow Missile comes in several variants, and can be launched from Helicopters, Tanks, APCs, MATUV utility trucks, and of course the Bow launcher. Most common varients include: Silver Arrow, an anti-armor rocket equipped with a duel charge to defeat Explosive Reactive Armor and a depleted uranium penetration rod followed by a 105mm high explosive charge. The Silver Arrow is designed for top-attack, much like the Javelin rocket, and can take out most tanks and Light Armored Vehicles with a single hit. The Fire Arrow, an incendiary variant intended for use against jungle cover and personnel. Typically helicopter-launched, though it is available for infantry and Armor. The Golden Arrow, a high-explosive variant designed to penetrate bunkers and other fortifications. Like the Silver Arrow, it is capable of top-attack. All "Arrow" type rockets are capable of using four guidance systems, for redundancy and further multi-purpose use: Thermal, Built-in Laser, External Laser Designation and Computer-Guided. In Thermal mode, the rocket is locked onto a heat signature, and tracks it. In Built-in Laser, the laser guide from the Helicopter, Armored Vehicle or Shoulder Launcher is used to paint the target. In External Laser Designation, the rocket locks onto a signal from an infantry laser designation device, allowing it to be launched behind cover and guided by a forward scout, or helicopter-launched and infantry guided. In Computer-Guided mode the rocket is launched, then taken over by the BattleNet System, which guides it to it's target using GPS and other methods. This allows the rocket to be fired at a target outside of visual range, and used like artillery. The Archer System has a range of 11 km, and weighs 6 lbs, unloaded. The rocket canister weighs 7 lbs 5lbs or 6 lbs, depending on variant.


I hope that weight is for the storage cansiter alone.

For 11km from a ground laucnhed missile you are talking 20-30kg with a Command launch unit weighting at a good 5kg+


As it is your image really doesn't suit such a really high end ATGM and looks more a fancy version of SMAW.

More likely stats are each complete round (rocket in launch canister) massing about 6-9kg with a max range of 1600m when fired in a javelin style arc and 800m for direct fire.

guidance will liekly be an imaging infrared (IIR) sensor that has a back up semi active laser homing (SALH) mode, basically what you described but put in the porper temrianology. It is very unlikely that you'll be able to squeeze a laser desginator into the main launch unit so the SALH mdoe is more likly to be there for Lock on After Launch (LOAL) non lien of sight engagements.

Warhead wise you only need one tandem HEAT/shaped charge system (i.e. a small precusor HEAT charge to deal with ERA and a main penetrator charge), justa porgramable fuze for different targets, i.e. for tanks it detonates to maximise penetration for softskin targets and aircraft both charges detanate at once and from the front rather than the rear of the shaped charges thus converting the liners into a bunch of shrapnel. Of course a follow through charge system (a forward shaped charge followed by a HE-frag charge that travels through the hole made by the shaped charge) would be a nice option if you msut have seperate rounds.
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Mon May 28, 2012 3:45 pm

Brit, your .454 SMG must now be capable of rechambering for .460S&W

It's an 11.5mm bullet with more muzzle energy than 7.62x51mm NATO when using 300/360gr rounds.
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Postby Alimeria II » Mon May 28, 2012 3:56 pm

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Postby Risen Britannia » Mon May 28, 2012 3:56 pm

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Brit, your .454 SMG must now be capable of rechambering for .460S&W

It's an 11.5mm bullet with more muzzle energy than 7.62x51mm NATO when using 300/360gr rounds.

I actually went for the .454 Casull as its overall length was 45mm, which was exactly the size I needed for the helical magazine I had drawn.

I could redo it for .460S&W, but if im doing that why not go for the .50 Alaskan

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon May 28, 2012 7:31 pm

Ideas for an early sixties-era battle rifle cartridge?

I'm having some difficulty coming up with ideas for an infantry weapon to replace the current gyrojet.

Here is a picture, if it helps, I suppose.

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Postby Indeos » Mon May 28, 2012 7:35 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ideas for an early sixties-era battle rifle cartridge?

I'm having some difficulty coming up with ideas for an infantry weapon to replace the current gyrojet.

Here is a picture, if it helps, I suppose.



8mm Mauser was around in that time. I'd imagine 7.62 NATO and R both were, too.
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Postby Spreewerke » Mon May 28, 2012 8:33 pm

Indeos wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ideas for an early sixties-era battle rifle cartridge?

I'm having some difficulty coming up with ideas for an infantry weapon to replace the current gyrojet.

Here is a picture, if it helps, I suppose.



8mm Mauser was around in that time. I'd imagine 7.62 NATO and R both were, too.



7.62x54mmR isn't too horribly different from 7.62 NATO. I'd say that he could go 7.62 NATO if he's "Western," but, for some reasons, that rifle looks Warsaw Pact-ish to me, so 7.62x54mmR might make more sense.

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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon May 28, 2012 8:37 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
Indeos wrote:
8mm Mauser was around in that time. I'd imagine 7.62 NATO and R both were, too.



7.62x54mmR isn't too horribly different from 7.62 NATO. I'd say that he could go 7.62 NATO if he's "Western," but, for some reasons, that rifle looks Warsaw Pact-ish to me, so 7.62x54mmR might make more sense.

Any idea what the range on something like that would be?

I'm terrible at designing things.
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Postby Indeos » Mon May 28, 2012 8:38 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

7.62x54mmR isn't too horribly different from 7.62 NATO. I'd say that he could go 7.62 NATO if he's "Western," but, for some reasons, that rifle looks Warsaw Pact-ish to me, so 7.62x54mmR might make more sense.

Any idea what the range on something like that would be?

I'm terrible at designing things.


FAL got 600m; that's a reasonable range.
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Postby Sevvania » Mon May 28, 2012 8:45 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ideas for an early sixties-era battle rifle cartridge?

I'm having some difficulty coming up with ideas for an infantry weapon to replace the current gyrojet.

Here is a picture, if it helps, I suppose.



That looks pretty awesome, actually. Did you make it?
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Postby Alimeria II » Mon May 28, 2012 8:47 pm

Sevvania wrote:
The Nuclear Fist wrote:Ideas for an early sixties-era battle rifle cartridge?

I'm having some difficulty coming up with ideas for an infantry weapon to replace the current gyrojet.

Here is a picture, if it helps, I suppose.



That looks pretty awesome, actually. Did you make it?
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Postby Indeos » Mon May 28, 2012 8:50 pm

Alimeria II wrote:
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That looks pretty awesome, actually. Did you make it?
He modified one of Nick's Rifles. I'm guessing he either had it saved somewhere or found a quote with Nick's rifle in it.


That gun was made in like MK I, IIRC.
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Postby Bafuria » Mon May 28, 2012 8:58 pm

The Nuclear Fist wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:

7.62x54mmR isn't too horribly different from 7.62 NATO. I'd say that he could go 7.62 NATO if he's "Western," but, for some reasons, that rifle looks Warsaw Pact-ish to me, so 7.62x54mmR might make more sense.

Any idea what the range on something like that would be?

I'm terrible at designing things.


With a cartridge like that it depends mostly on how good your sights are, how well trained your soldiers are and how good the enemy is at staying hidden.

Most engagements take place at <300 m because spotting the enemy at longer ranges becomes increasingly difficult, but a battle rifle with good optics used by someone who knows how to use it can accurately hit things at 500-800 m
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Postby The Nuclear Fist » Mon May 28, 2012 9:09 pm

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Name: Pușcă Luptă Automată model 1961. Shortened to PLA md. 61
Type: Battle Rifle
Place of Origin: The Socialist Republic of Rustonia
In service: 1962-Present

Weight: 3.79 kg
Length: 1,095 mm
Barrel length: 540 mm
Cartridge: 7.62x54mmR
Action: Gas operated, falling breechlock
Rate of Fire: 700 rounds/min
Muzzle velocity: 875 m/s
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Feed system: 30-round detachable box magazine. 50 round drum also available.
Sights: Aperture rear sight w/ Tritium illumination, post front sight.

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Postby Kouralia » Mon May 28, 2012 10:48 pm

New Corda wrote:OK folks, the Shoulder-Launched, Multi-Purpose Guided Missile, Type 231 "Archer" System

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Included are the missile itself (Arrow), Missile tube (Quiver) and the Launcher Unit (Bow). The Arrow Missile comes in several variants, and can be launched from Helicopters, Tanks, APCs, MATUV utility trucks, and of course the Bow launcher. Most common varients include: Silver Arrow, an anti-armor rocket equipped with a duel charge to defeat Explosive Reactive Armor and a depleted uranium penetration rod followed by a 105mm high explosive charge. The Silver Arrow is designed for top-attack, much like the Javelin rocket, and can take out most tanks and Light Armored Vehicles with a single hit. The Fire Arrow, an incendiary variant intended for use against jungle cover and personnel. Typically helicopter-launched, though it is available for infantry and Armor. The Golden Arrow, a high-explosive variant designed to penetrate bunkers and other fortifications. Like the Silver Arrow, it is capable of top-attack. All "Arrow" type rockets are capable of using four guidance systems, for redundancy and further multi-purpose use: Thermal, Built-in Laser, External Laser Designation and Computer-Guided. In Thermal mode, the rocket is locked onto a heat signature, and tracks it. In Built-in Laser, the laser guide from the Helicopter, Armored Vehicle or Shoulder Launcher is used to paint the target. In External Laser Designation, the rocket locks onto a signal from an infantry laser designation device, allowing it to be launched behind cover and guided by a forward scout, or helicopter-launched and infantry guided. In Computer-Guided mode the rocket is launched, then taken over by the BattleNet System, which guides it to it's target using GPS and other methods. This allows the rocket to be fired at a target outside of visual range, and used like artillery. The Archer System has a range of 11 km, and weighs 6 lbs, unloaded. The rocket canister weighs 7 lbs 5lbs or 6 lbs, depending on variant.

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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon May 28, 2012 10:50 pm

Kouralia wrote:
New Corda wrote:OK folks, the Shoulder-Launched, Multi-Purpose Guided Missile, Type 231 "Archer" System

(Image)

Included are the missile itself (Arrow), Missile tube (Quiver) and the Launcher Unit (Bow). The Arrow Missile comes in several variants, and can be launched from Helicopters, Tanks, APCs, MATUV utility trucks, and of course the Bow launcher. Most common varients include: Silver Arrow, an anti-armor rocket equipped with a duel charge to defeat Explosive Reactive Armor and a depleted uranium penetration rod followed by a 105mm high explosive charge. The Silver Arrow is designed for top-attack, much like the Javelin rocket, and can take out most tanks and Light Armored Vehicles with a single hit. The Fire Arrow, an incendiary variant intended for use against jungle cover and personnel. Typically helicopter-launched, though it is available for infantry and Armor. The Golden Arrow, a high-explosive variant designed to penetrate bunkers and other fortifications. Like the Silver Arrow, it is capable of top-attack. All "Arrow" type rockets are capable of using four guidance systems, for redundancy and further multi-purpose use: Thermal, Built-in Laser, External Laser Designation and Computer-Guided. In Thermal mode, the rocket is locked onto a heat signature, and tracks it. In Built-in Laser, the laser guide from the Helicopter, Armored Vehicle or Shoulder Launcher is used to paint the target. In External Laser Designation, the rocket locks onto a signal from an infantry laser designation device, allowing it to be launched behind cover and guided by a forward scout, or helicopter-launched and infantry guided. In Computer-Guided mode the rocket is launched, then taken over by the BattleNet System, which guides it to it's target using GPS and other methods. This allows the rocket to be fired at a target outside of visual range, and used like artillery. The Archer System has a range of 11 km, and weighs 6 lbs, unloaded. The rocket canister weighs 7 lbs 5lbs or 6 lbs, depending on variant.

I am throwing my money at the screen, but it just isn't working...

Y it no 4 sale yet?

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Postby Kouralia » Mon May 28, 2012 10:55 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Kouralia wrote:I am throwing my money at the screen, but it just isn't working...

Y it no 4 sale yet?

You have to send the money to my home address, then I'll make sure Corda posts the darn thing to his store front.

"Why sure! That sounds about right! I'll just get the millions of $< to buy DPRs and send it to you."
*stuffs cash into an envelope*
"Now, where's your address? I need it to send the cash, and for the follow up revenge attack if the missile isn't on the storefront in two hours."
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Postby New Corda » Mon May 28, 2012 10:57 pm

Have patience, young jedis, I'm trying to write two research papers and 3 RPs at the same time. It's a rather demanding workload :P
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Postby Kouralia » Mon May 28, 2012 10:58 pm

New Corda wrote:Have patience, young jedis, I'm trying to write two research papers and 3 RPs at the same time. It's a rather demanding workload :P

NO! Patience is for British people who are willing to queue. Wait...
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon May 28, 2012 11:06 pm

Kouralia wrote:
Spirit of Hope wrote:You have to send the money to my home address, then I'll make sure Corda posts the darn thing to his store front.

"Why sure! That sounds about right! I'll just get the millions of $< to buy DPRs and send it to you."
*stuffs cash into an envelope*
"Now, where's your address? I need it to send the cash, and for the follow up revenge attack if the missile isn't on the storefront in two hours."
:P

Why here you are
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New Corda wrote:Have patience, young jedis, I'm trying to write two research papers and 3 RPs at the same time. It's a rather demanding workload :P


What do you have to write your research papers on? Nothing like some online assistance to reduce the work load.
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Postby New Corda » Mon May 28, 2012 11:35 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
Kouralia wrote:"Why sure! That sounds about right! I'll just get the millions of $< to buy DPRs and send it to you."
*stuffs cash into an envelope*
"Now, where's your address? I need it to send the cash, and for the follow up revenge attack if the missile isn't on the storefront in two hours."
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Why here you are
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New Corda wrote:Have patience, young jedis, I'm trying to write two research papers and 3 RPs at the same time. It's a rather demanding workload :P


What do you have to write your research papers on? Nothing like some online assistance to reduce the work load.


Well, they're both rather political in nature, and given that my views in other areas typically clash with gun people...
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Postby Kouralia » Mon May 28, 2012 11:36 pm

Spirit of Hope wrote:
New Corda wrote:Have patience, young jedis, I'm trying to write two research papers and 3 RPs at the same time. It's a rather demanding workload :P


What do you have to write your research papers on? Nothing like some online assistance to reduce the work load.

Yes. If it's History or Politics (kinda) then I can probably help. Here's an example pertaining to JFK:

Now, don't listen to the History Books. They'll tell you that JFK was a great man who was responsible for ushering in a new age of cooperation between the USA and USSR, alongside his interior achievements. He wasn't. All of his foreign policy achievements were caused by the Triumvirate of 'Mom's Home Made Apple Pie': Abraham Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt and George Washington. The Bay of Pigs invasion, whilst a major failure of 'Merican force projection, was directly influenced by the triumvirate. When JFK heard about the planned invasion he hid in a cupboard and cried because he was scared of all the men with guns, and so the invasion went ahead without any of the support he could've granted. Now, after the exiles were defeated Castro was preparing to annex Wyoming and Ohio before marching on from there straight to Miami. Luckily the whole fleet was met a mere mile from the Cuban shores by the Triumvirate, who proceeded to destroy it with the power of the good old American FN SCAR and Desert Eagle.
The Cuban Missile Crisis was again saved by the Triumvirate. Once again, sensing danger, JFK hid in a cupboard. This left the three with no time to think of a plan, so they split up and looked for clues dealt with a specific danger each. Abraham Lincoln rode his Grizzly bear through Cuba, destroying all of the missile sites with The Emancipator, his good old American M416. George Washington traveled to Moscow and killed everyone West of the Urals to prevent any missiles being launched (yeah, he also broke the doors on the silos before they were automatically fired, he's just that badass!) and to make sure the US and A would be the greatest nation ever. Finally, Teddy Roosevelt tortured then enslaved convinced some Big Foots to carry him (they swam, he stood on their backs) to the Soviet fleet on its way to Cuba. He then proceded to destroy 90% of it as an example to the remaining 1/10. You heard of the 14 ships turning back? There was 140 before Teddy got there.

Now, whilst the Soviet Union is no longer a threat due to the efforts of the Triumvirate of 'Mom's Home Made Apple Pie', a new threat rises on the horizon: China. Meanwhile, the Triumvirate sleeps, ready to rise whenever America is threatened.


^ All Historically ^
Accurate
(Well, maybe not quite)
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Postby Spirit of Hope » Mon May 28, 2012 11:40 pm

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What do you have to write your research papers on? Nothing like some online assistance to reduce the work load.


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