MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[New Corda]

Semiautomatic.

.45 ACP caliber.

13+ magazine capacity.

Single action.

Manual safety.

Grip safety.

[Galla-]

Recoil operated revolver chambered in .30 Carbine with JHP loads.

So basically a semi-automatic Ruger Blackhawk with a bayonet.

A bayonet?

No.

EDIT: Because that would look goofy. And they're supposed to club people, damnit, not stab them!

Clubbing can cause serious internal injury and concussions, silly!

Besides, there's been revolvers with bayonets before. You dare say this is silly:



You're a silly milly! <:

Semiautomatic.

.45 ACP caliber.

13+ magazine capacity.

Single action.

Manual safety.

Grip safety.

Double stack .45s too wide.

If you can't stop them in 3 rounds, you fail as a marksman.

[Alimeria II]

So, let's do a little scenario here.

Let's say you're looking for a new weapon for police officers to use. Let's say the year is 1950-something. And, for good measure, why not let you decide whether it's a revolver or a semiautomatic? But of course, it would need to use a large enough round to be effective not only against criminals, but also against wild animals, because the country you're running here is a bit... rural in some areas.

In that hypothetical situation, what features would you request?

I would go with the Rifle Route. Preferable the Ishapore 2A1. Or maybe M1/M2 carbine.

[Galla-]

So, let's do a little scenario here.

Let's say you're looking for a new weapon for police officers to use. Let's say the year is 1950-something. And, for good measure, why not let you decide whether it's a revolver or a semiautomatic? But of course, it would need to use a large enough round to be effective not only against criminals, but also against wild animals, because the country you're running here is a bit... rural in some areas.

In that hypothetical situation, what features would you request?

I would go with the Rifle Route. Preferable the Ishapore 2A1. Or maybe M1 carbine/Garand.

M1918 with a bayonet is a better close quarters weapon than a Garand, due to full automatic fire and heft.

M1/M2 Carbine is second best, tho. <3

[Vigilancia]

Semiautomatic.

.45 ACP caliber.

13+ magazine capacity.

Single action.

Manual safety.

Grip safety.

Now we're talking. Would probably look really weird as a 1950s weapon, but I bet I could pull it off with some thought.

Perhaps I'll base it off of the weird, boxy nature of the OTs-33 Pernach, but with more old, more .45 and more classy.

[Galla-]

Semiautomatic.

.45 ACP caliber.

13+ magazine capacity.

Single action.

Manual safety.

Grip safety.

Now we're talking. Would probably look really weird as a 1950s weapon, but I bet I could pull it off with some thought.

Perhaps I'll base it off of the weird, boxy nature of the OTs-33 Pernach, but with more old, more .45 and more classy.

The 1911 is already rather thick.

Don't make it worse.

There's a reason double stack 1911s have not caught on, and it's not because no one couldn't figure out how to make them.

[Vigilancia]

Now we're talking. Would probably look really weird as a 1950s weapon, but I bet I could pull it off with some thought.

Perhaps I'll base it off of the weird, boxy nature of the OTs-33 Pernach, but with more old, more .45 and more classy.

The 1911 is already rather thick.

Don't make it worse.

There's a reason double stack 1911s have not caught on, and it's not because no one couldn't figure out how to make them.

I've used a CZ-97B, probably the most comfortable weapon I've ever held and fired, so I know it's possible. At least, it is with ten rounds.

[Alimeria II]

Now we're talking. Would probably look really weird as a 1950s weapon, but I bet I could pull it off with some thought.

Perhaps I'll base it off of the weird, boxy nature of the OTs-33 Pernach, but with more old, more .45 and more classy.

The 1911 is already rather thick.

Don't make it worse.

There's a reason double stack 1911s have not caught on, and it's not because no one couldn't figure out how to make them.

I'm guessing that's also the Reason the Double-barreled 1911 isn't very practical?

Sometimes I will joke to my friends that I want it. But I do not, I want that scout I'll show pictures of every now and then.

[Galla-]

The 1911 is already rather thick.

Don't make it worse.

There's a reason double stack 1911s have not caught on, and it's not because no one couldn't figure out how to make them.

I'm guessing that's also the Reason the Double-barreled 1911 isn't very practical?

Sometimes I will joke to my friends that I want it. But I do not, I want that scout I'll show pictures of every now and then.

Double barrel 1911 is a joke.

Double stack 1911 is just awkward, unless you have gigantic hands.

The 1911 is already rather thick.

Don't make it worse.

There's a reason double stack 1911s have not caught on, and it's not because no one couldn't figure out how to make them.

I've used a CZ-97B, probably the most comfortable weapon I've ever held and fired, so I know it's possible. At least, it is with ten rounds.

I've never seen nor held one so I can't comment.

Double stack 1911s like Para Ord. are pointlessly awkward to hold, though.

Besides, this is the 1950s, use a revolver like a man.

[New Corda]

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

Only vimpy lettle girl give shit about size of pistol griip. Real man have hand like bear, care not about extra couple milimeters.

What happens if there's more off them?

If you think an M1911 is wide, you either have tiny hands or have never held one. As for why they havnt "caught on", a lot of folks like custom grips, or the feel of the single stack. It's also more expensive, and not many companies make them at an affordable price.

[Vigilancia]

I've never seen nor held one so I can't comment.

Double stack 1911s like Para Ord. are pointlessly awkward to hold, though.

Besides, this is the 1950s, use a revolver like a man.

My other nation does. .44 special, at that.

Anyway, .45 in 10-12 round magazines is doable if the 97B can be counted on. And, unless there's some horrible fact about them that I don't know, that's what I'm probably going to do. Also they look damn sexy, so I may toss in a dash of CZ97 into the melting pot as well.

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

Only vimpy lettle girl give shit about size of pistol griip. Real man have hand like bear, care not about extra couple milimeters.

What happens if there's more off them?

If you think an M1911 is wide, you either have tiny hands or have never held one. As for why they havnt "caught on", a lot of folks like custom grips, or the feel of the single stack. It's also more expensive, and not many companies make them at an affordable price.

Speaking of hands like bears, the main reason I need a big round is for killing bears.

[Galla-]

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

Only vimpy lettle girl give shit about size of pistol griip. Real man have hand like bear, care not about extra couple milimeters.

What happens if there's more off them?

If you think an M1911 is wide, you either have tiny hands or have never held one. As for why they havnt "caught on", a lot of folks like custom grips, or the feel of the single stack. It's also more expensive, and not many companies make them at an affordable price.

1) Revolver bayonet has a practical purpose and were issued in real life. When you've expended ammunition, you stab the guy. It's faster than even a speed loader.

2) I have v. feminine hands wanna fight about?

3) More of what? Police officers generally aren't mobbed by tens of people by themselves, and if 7 rounds isn't enough, you move onto smaller cartridges like the .357 NATO or .32 Tokarev for your double stack.

4) A 1911 single-stack is not wide, it's just right. Double-stacks, OTOH, are twice the thickness or thereabouts. At that point you should just use a 9mm NATO like Browning HP or something, because you're doing something wrong if you need to miss that many times.

I've never seen nor held one so I can't comment.

Double stack 1911s like Para Ord. are pointlessly awkward to hold, though.

Besides, this is the 1950s, use a revolver like a man.

My other nation does. .44 special, at that.

Anyway, .45 in 10-12 round magazines is doable if the 97B can be counted on. And, unless there's some horrible fact about them that I don't know, that's what I'm probably going to do. Also they look damn sexy, so I may toss in a dash of CZ97 into the melting pot as well.

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

Only vimpy lettle girl give shit about size of pistol griip. Real man have hand like bear, care not about extra couple milimeters.

What happens if there's more off them?

If you think an M1911 is wide, you either have tiny hands or have never held one. As for why they havnt "caught on", a lot of folks like custom grips, or the feel of the single stack. It's also more expensive, and not many companies make them at an affordable price.

Speaking of hands like bears, the main reason I need a big round is for killing bears.

There's nothing seriously flawed about double stack 1911s, they're just awkward.

Killing bears with a pistol cartridge, outside exceptional marksmanship, is v. improable.

At this point you should be packing a .308 or .30-06 bare BEAR minimum.

[Vigilancia]

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

Only vimpy lettle girl give shit about size of pistol griip. Real man have hand like bear, care not about extra couple milimeters.

What happens if there's more off them?

If you think an M1911 is wide, you either have tiny hands or have never held one. As for why they havnt "caught on", a lot of folks like custom grips, or the feel of the single stack. It's also more expensive, and not many companies make them at an affordable price.

1) Revolver bayonet has a practical purpose and were issued in real life. When you've expended ammunition, you stab the guy. It's faster than even a speed loader.

2) I have v. feminine hands wanna fight about?

3) More of what? Police officers generally aren't mobbed by tens of people by themselves, and if 7 rounds isn't enough, you move onto smaller cartridges like the .357 NATO or .32 Tokarev for your double stack.

4) A 1911 single-stack is not wide, it's just right. Double-stacks, OTOH, are twice the thickness or thereabouts. At that point you should just use a 9mm NATO like Browning HP or something, because you're doing something wrong if you need to miss that many times.

My other nation does. .44 special, at that.

Anyway, .45 in 10-12 round magazines is doable if the 97B can be counted on. And, unless there's some horrible fact about them that I don't know, that's what I'm probably going to do. Also they look damn sexy, so I may toss in a dash of CZ97 into the melting pot as well.



Speaking of hands like bears, the main reason I need a big round is for killing bears.

There's nothing seriously flawed about double stack 1911s, they're just awkward.

Killing bears with a pistol cartridge, outside exceptional marksmanship, is v. improable.

At this point you should be packing a .308 or .30-06 bare BEAR minimum.

Well, they're probably going to have a 7.62x54 rifle in the squadcar, too, if they're out looking for bears. But if you have to suddenly shoot a bear or a wolf to keep it from mauling you, or even a charging moose or something of that sort, something with more bite is always going to be preferable.

[Galla-]

1) Revolver bayonet has a practical purpose and were issued in real life. When you've expended ammunition, you stab the guy. It's faster than even a speed loader.

2) I have v. feminine hands wanna fight about?

3) More of what? Police officers generally aren't mobbed by tens of people by themselves, and if 7 rounds isn't enough, you move onto smaller cartridges like the .357 NATO or .32 Tokarev for your double stack.

4) A 1911 single-stack is not wide, it's just right. Double-stacks, OTOH, are twice the thickness or thereabouts. At that point you should just use a 9mm NATO like Browning HP or something, because you're doing something wrong if you need to miss that many times.



There's nothing seriously flawed about double stack 1911s, they're just awkward.

Killing bears with a pistol cartridge, outside exceptional marksmanship, is v. improable.

At this point you should be packing a .308 or .30-06 bare BEAR minimum.

Well, they're probably going to have a 7.62x54 rifle in the squadcar, too, if they're out looking for bears. But if you have to suddenly shoot a bear or a wolf to keep it from mauling you, or even a charging moose or something of that sort, something with more bite is always going to be preferable.

Rly I'd think anything short of .44 Magnum would just piss a bear or moose off.

.45 ACP definitely too small for that purpose, but should be good enough for smallish wolves tbh. Even 10mm Auto, bless it, would be hard pressed to deter a moose, but it'd drop a wolf or coyote pretty quick. What kind of bear are you talking about? Grizzly, or a black/brown bear? 10mm Auto might be good enough to give the latter a proper kick in the nuts, but it'd be good as spitting at a Griz.

Rly at this point you want to look into revolver cartridges like the .30 Carbine and .44 Magnum if you're regularly going to be assailed by bears and moose. Only way I could see it working with smaller semi-autos is that if one guy carries an SVT-40 or something.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

I've seen a lot of useless shit in my time, but that revolver bayonet might just take the cake. Someone's been watching too much anime.

because the webley & scott gunsmiths clearly had access to anime back in the '20s

mind pointing out how a revolver bayonet is useless

[Vigilancia]

Rly I'd think anything short of .44 Magnum would just piss a bear or moose off.

.45 ACP definitely too small for that purpose, but should be good enough for smallish wolves tbh. Even 10mm Auto, bless it, would be hard pressed to deter a moose, but it'd drop a wolf or coyote pretty quick. What kind of bear are you talking about? Grizzly, or a black/brown bear? 10mm Auto might be good enough to give the latter a proper kick in the nuts, but it'd be good as spitting at a Griz.

Rly at this point you want to look into revolver cartridges like the .30 Carbine and .44 Magnum if you're regularly going to be assailed by bears and moose. Only way I could see it working with smaller semi-autos is that if one guy carries an SVT-40 or something.

Maybe I'll make a new round. Something like a 1950s .460 Rowland. How does that sound?

[Galla-]

Rly I'd think anything short of .44 Magnum would just piss a bear or moose off.

.45 ACP definitely too small for that purpose, but should be good enough for smallish wolves tbh. Even 10mm Auto, bless it, would be hard pressed to deter a moose, but it'd drop a wolf or coyote pretty quick. What kind of bear are you talking about? Grizzly, or a black/brown bear? 10mm Auto might be good enough to give the latter a proper kick in the nuts, but it'd be good as spitting at a Griz.

Rly at this point you want to look into revolver cartridges like the .30 Carbine and .44 Magnum if you're regularly going to be assailed by bears and moose. Only way I could see it working with smaller semi-autos is that if one guy carries an SVT-40 or something.

Maybe I'll make a new round. Something like a 1950s .460 Rowland. How does that sound?

At this point you should make a 1950s 10mm Auto.

It'll be equally effective and doesn't require dumb amounts of modification, notably the lack of requiring a giant muzzle brake.

[New Corda]

I'm referring to Galla-'s weird obsession with sticking bayonets on everything.

At that range, a combat knife is a thousand times better. It's more versatile, it's more maneuverable, you can slash with it rather than simply stabbing. A long ass bayonet on a pistol is going to play havoc with your balance, make holstering a pain in the ass (literally, if you miss the holster by a couple inches), and restrict mobility. Now, I dont buy into all the bayonet-fapping that goes on ITT, but any advantage a bayonet holds over a knife is a result of the longer reach given by the rifle. Which means putting them on pistols is stupid, because a knife is so much better in that situation.

[Vigilancia]

Maybe I'll make a new round. Something like a 1950s .460 Rowland. How does that sound?

At this point you should make a 1950s 10mm Auto.

It'll be equally effective and doesn't require dumb amounts of modification, notably the lack of requiring a giant muzzle brake.

Remember, I'd be designing a weapon for it, so it would need neither. Any ideas for diameter/length? Or even the name?

[New Corda]

At this point you should make a 1950s 10mm Auto.

It'll be equally effective and doesn't require dumb amounts of modification, notably the lack of requiring a giant muzzle brake.

Remember, I'd be designing a weapon for it, so it would need neither. Any ideas for diameter/length? Or even the name?

10x25mm NPS (New Police Special)?

[Galla-]

I'm referring to Galla-'s weird obsession with sticking bayonets on everything.

At that range, a combat knife is a thousand times better. It's more versatile, it's more maneuverable, you can slash with it rather than simply stabbing. A long ass bayonet on a pistol is going to play havoc with your balance, make holstering a pain in the ass (literally, if you miss the holster by a couple inches), and restrict mobility. Now, I dont buy into all the bayonet-fapping that goes on ITT, but any advantage a bayonet holds over a knife is a result of the longer reach given by the rifle. Which means putting them on pistols is stupid, because a knife is so much better in that situation.

1) Bayonet is removable hurpdurp. It would be mounted adjacent to the pistol on the holster.

2) Yeah, slashing is great, except you have to get in his face now, where a knife wielding attacker puts you on equal footing. At least with a bayonet you don't have to grapple with him, coming out with multiple stab injuries and probably dying. Knife fights are filthy affairs that lead to no one winning, just someone losing less badly.

A pistol-bayonet is not a significantly longer range than a knife, granted, but at least you don't have to drop or holster your pistol to remove said knife, and engage in grappling.

3) Not literally.

4) Mobility would be restricted no more than a normal handgun. If you think 8" on the end of a gun restricts your movement significantly at all, maybe you should consider not taking entire rooms to turn around. Besides, Pritchard bayonet was designed for use in trenches as an alternative to the knife, and it's effective enough to be bought by officers in real life.

5) No, it is better than a knife, just not significantly. A fight between a man with a pistol-bayonet and a knife would still be questionable, but less so, since you essentially have a knife twice the length with twice the reach of the other guy with an 8" shank.

[Vigilancia]

Remember, I'd be designing a weapon for it, so it would need neither. Any ideas for diameter/length? Or even the name?

10x25mm NPS (New Police Special)?

Pssshhaw, too similar.

0,41 инфорсер (.41 Enforcer)?

[Pragia]

Quick, need a lolhueg shotgun.

What everyone else posted with the tanks, but fired out of a rail gun!

Anyone want to speculate on what cannister rounds travelling at 5km/s would do to a battlefield? Because honestly, I don't really know myself!

Already being tested for Pragian armored divisions, more fear factor but has no accuracy, A canister shell has been deemed impossible to fire at high speeds.

[New Corda]

I'm referring to Galla-'s weird obsession with sticking bayonets on everything.

At that range, a combat knife is a thousand times better. It's more versatile, it's more maneuverable, you can slash with it rather than simply stabbing. A long ass bayonet on a pistol is going to play havoc with your balance, make holstering a pain in the ass (literally, if you miss the holster by a couple inches), and restrict mobility. Now, I dont buy into all the bayonet-fapping that goes on ITT, but any advantage a bayonet holds over a knife is a result of the longer reach given by the rifle. Which means putting them on pistols is stupid, because a knife is so much better in that situation.

1) Bayonet is removable hurpdurp. It would be mounted adjacent to the pistol on the holster.
Great, so now I can stab you to death while you dink around trying to draw and fix your bayonet on your pistol.
2) Yeah, slashing is great, except you have to get in his face now, where a knife wielding attacker puts you on equal footing. At least with a bayonet you don't have to grapple with him, coming out with multiple stab injuries and probably dying. Knife fights are filthy affairs that lead to no one winning, just someone losing less badly.
a bayonet just makes you more susceptible to graplleing, and unable to defend against it. Observe: you have dull bayonet. I have sharp knife. I can grab your bayonet with impunity, then stab or slash you depending on which I prefer, and you can't grab my knife, because it's sharp on the sides.
A pistol-bayonet is not a significantly longer range than a knife, granted, but at least you don't have to drop or holster your pistol to remove said knife, and engage in grappling.
as stated, graplleing gives me the advantage. And it would certainly be quicker then removing the bayonet, affixing it to the pistol, then trying to fence with me.
3) Not literally.
honestly I would not be supprised.
4) Mobility would be restricted no more than a normal handgun. If you think 8" on the end of a gun restricts your movement significantly at all, maybe you should consider not taking entire rooms to turn around. Besides, Pritchard bayonet was designed for use in trenches as an alternative to the knife, and it's effective enough to be bought by officers in real life.
Go get an 8 inch stick. Tape it to a pistol. Try drawing and using it effectively. Then get back to me. And of course, we all know WWI was famous for being well thought out and inteligently fought.
5) No, it is better than a knife, just not significantly. A fight between a man with a pistol-bayonet and a knife would still be questionable, but less so, since you essentially have a knife twice the length with twice the reach of the other guy with an 8" shank.
It's more awkward to hold. It's only good for poking. I can grab it more easily, then cut yo ass at my leisure. Its not essentially a knife, as stated, only good for one thing. More like a short, awkward to hold fencing sword really. It might involve more prancing about on your part, but I'd get you in the end. All I'd need to do it grab your pistol/bayonet or get too close for you to stab me properly.

[Galla-]

1) Bayonet is removable hurpdurp. It would be mounted adjacent to the pistol on the holster.
Great, so now I can stab you to death while you dink around trying to draw and fix your bayonet on your pistol.
2) Yeah, slashing is great, except you have to get in his face now, where a knife wielding attacker puts you on equal footing. At least with a bayonet you don't have to grapple with him, coming out with multiple stab injuries and probably dying. Knife fights are filthy affairs that lead to no one winning, just someone losing less badly.
a bayonet just makes you more susceptible to graplleing, and unable to defend against it. Observe: you have dull bayonet. I have sharp knife. I can grab your bayonet with impunity, then stab or slash you depending on which I prefer, and you can't grab my knife, because it's sharp on the sides.
A pistol-bayonet is not a significantly longer range than a knife, granted, but at least you don't have to drop or holster your pistol to remove said knife, and engage in grappling.
as stated, graplleing gives me the advantage. And it would certainly be quicker then removing the bayonet, affixing it to the pistol, then trying to fence with me.
3) Not literally.
honestly I would not be supprised.
4) Mobility would be restricted no more than a normal handgun. If you think 8" on the end of a gun restricts your movement significantly at all, maybe you should consider not taking entire rooms to turn around. Besides, Pritchard bayonet was designed for use in trenches as an alternative to the knife, and it's effective enough to be bought by officers in real life.
Go get an 8 inch stick. Tape it to a pistol. Try drawing and using it effectively. Then get back to me. And of course, we all know WWI was famous for being well thought out and inteligently fought.
5) No, it is better than a knife, just not significantly. A fight between a man with a pistol-bayonet and a knife would still be questionable, but less so, since you essentially have a knife twice the length with twice the reach of the other guy with an 8" shank.
It's more awkward to hold. It's only good for poking. I can grab it more easily, then cut yo ass at my leisure. Its not essentially a knife, as stated, only good for one thing. More like a short, awkward to hold fencing sword really. It might involve more prancing about on your part, but I'd get you in the end. All I'd need to do it grab your pistol/bayonet or get too close for you to stab me properly.

1) You're making the rather audacious assumption that the bayonet isn't already affixed with the weapon drawn, since that's pretty much what you're supposed to do with any firearm that can mount a bayonet.
2) You grab my bayonet, I pull the trigger. Your fingers are now gone and I can stab you with impunity.
3) Assuming bayonet isn't already affixed, and assuming I'm not trying to stab you.
4) Yeah, I guess you don't look when you're sheathing knives then.
5) Assuming bayonet is affixed while pistol is in holster. You don't affix the bayonet until you draw the pistol hurp.
6) You can grab it easily, get your fingers shot off, and get stabbed.

You can't shoot with a knife, tbh.