MMW MkV thread. It's been fun.

[Nua Corda]

fix'd tht 4u

Fix'd fix.

[Ea90]

im sure if I made a modern StG-44 that would definetly blow away all other guns.

lmao

[Purpelia]

Then you have SMGs.

Otherwise you're stuck with blowing a whistle and ordering the battalion over the top, which is much better.

In what world are SMGs needed to take a trench or have storm troopers?

No idea. I personally prefer shotguns (maybe even semi auto shotguns if I can get them at that time) for the job. That and bayonets and knifes and maces. And the shock value of having someone with a big shotgun with a knife on charge you whilst you are still figuring out how to stab him with your bayonet when you can't stab through solid steel.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Fix'd fix.

noep

[Galla-]

In what world are SMGs needed to take a trench or have storm troopers?

No idea. I personally prefer shotguns (maybe even semi auto shotguns if I can get them at that time) for the job. That and bayonets and knifes and maces. And the shock value of having someone with a big shotgun with a knife on charge you whilst you are still figuring out how to stab him with your bayonet when you can't stab through solid steel.

flails > steel armor

[Nua Corda]

fix'd tht 4u

Fix'd fix.

[The Republic of Lanos]

What the fuck are we fixing here/what are we LOLing about here now?

[Purpelia]

No idea. I personally prefer shotguns (maybe even semi auto shotguns if I can get them at that time) for the job. That and bayonets and knifes and maces. And the shock value of having someone with a big shotgun with a knife on charge you whilst you are still figuring out how to stab him with your bayonet when you can't stab through solid steel.

flails > steel armor

Yes this tactic would lose its effectiveness once the shock and surprise of the initial few battles wears off and people adapt to it. But that is true with any weapon.

[Immoren]

Then you have SMGs.

Otherwise you're stuck with blowing a whistle and ordering the battalion over the top, which is much better.

In what world are SMGs needed to take a trench...

Weren't they originally developed for that? :/

[Galla-]

flails > steel armor

Yes this tactic would lose its effectiveness once the shock and surprise of the initial few battles wears off and people adapt to it. But that is true with any weapon.

Why would there be "shock and surprise" at a shotgun, a weapon that has been around in several permutations for several centuries?

[Purpelia]

Yes this tactic would lose its effectiveness once the shock and surprise of the initial few battles wears off and people adapt to it. But that is true with any weapon.

Why would there be "shock and surprise" at a shotgun, a weapon that has been around in several permutations for several centuries?

It's not the shotgun. It's the bullet-proof, bayonet-proof man charging at you to stab you up wielding it. The trench shotgun is just icing on the cake. Remember, the armies of the time were deeply ingrained in bayonet drill. The average soldier was conditioned to react to someone assaulting him up close in a certain way. That way being stand and stab. The thought that none of his usual tactics (can't shoot and can't stab) are working would send them into a panic. And even a momentary lapse is enough to be gutted or shotgunned to death by experienced and highly drilled assault troops.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Fix'd fix.

Well no...
Because you've still not included the edited original post :')

[Indeos]

flails > steel armor

Yes this tactic would lose its effectiveness once the shock and surprise of the initial few battles wears off and people adapt to it. But that is true with any weapon.

How many people would seriously have flails, though? I don't think they'd adapt beyond teaching people to shoot with rifles when armored soldiers enter their trenches.

In what world are SMGs needed to take a trench...

Weren't they originally developed for that? :/

Partially. They were for full-auto fire in close quarters.

Yes this tactic would lose its effectiveness once the shock and surprise of the initial few battles wears off and people adapt to it. But that is true with any weapon.

Why would there be "shock and surprise" at a shotgun, a weapon that has been around in several permutations for several centuries?

Shock and surprise is from the partially-bulletproof steel-armored soldier dropping into your trench with a bayoneted shotgun.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Shock and surprise is from the partially-bulletproof steel-armored soldier dropping into your trench with a bayoneted shotgun.

Making me wonder if the other side's artillery and machine guns failed epically...

[Sevvania]

Anything I make would be too heavy to be used for prolonged periods of time. As in, I can make the mentioned steel plate armor. And even some sort of reinforced composite flack jacket. But the end result would be too heavy and cumbersome to be used on the march and stuff.

In other words. What Samozaryadnyastan said.

G.O. Brewster developed a steel body armor that weighed 5 kg in the oughties, although that may have been referring to the body armor of the Brewster Body Shield, which could stop a .30-06 round at 15m.

Regardless of how much it weighs in the first place, body armor that stop bullets is worthless except in COIN, and assault troops should be wearing grenade bags and ammunition vests for their SMGs, not armor. If anything, give them vests that stop grenade or artillery shrapnel, not rifle rounds. The main killer of infantrymen past 1910 was/is artillery, so protect against that.

Speaking of shrapnel protection, would something like this...


...be helpful? Sort of a flak jacket for your legs.

[Immoren]

On unrelated note: Maximum range setting in M/31 Suomi SMG's rear sight was 500m

[Nua Corda]

Fix'd fix.

Well no...
Because you've still not included the edited original post :')

I know, I've tried editing it like 10 times but it's buggy or something. For the record I was promoting 7x40mm

[The Republic of Lanos]

Well no...
Because you've still not included the edited original post :')

I know, I've tried editing it like 10 times but it's buggy or something. For the record I was promoting 7x40mm

That's .280 British...

[Galla-]

Shock and surprise is from the partially-bulletproof steel-armored soldier dropping into your trench with a bayoneted shotgun.

If your soldiers are being shocked and surprised by being attacked, they're fucking poor soldiers.

[Indeos]

Shock and surprise is from the partially-bulletproof steel-armored soldier dropping into your trench with a bayoneted shotgun.

Making me wonder if the other side's artillery and machine guns failed epically...

Your sentence doesn't make sense.

Shock and surprise is from the partially-bulletproof steel-armored soldier dropping into your trench with a bayoneted shotgun.

If your soldiers are being shocked and surprised by being attacked, they're fucking poor soldiers.

So why the fuck would an SMG make any difference?

[The Republic of Lanos]

Making me wonder if the other side's artillery and machine guns failed epically...

Your sentence doesn't make sense.

Maybe it doesn't since the defender's artillery and machine guns failed to fire upon the incoming attackers in the first place.

[Purpelia]

See my long edited in explanation for why they would suffer from shock and surprise.

Armies of the time were deeply ingrained in bayonet drill. The average soldier was conditioned to react to someone assaulting him up close in a certain way. That way being stand and stab. The thought that none of his usual tactics (can't shoot and can't stab) are working would send them into a panic. And even a momentary lapse is enough to be gutted or shotgunned to death by experienced and highly drilled assault troops.

[Galla-]

If your soldiers are being shocked and surprised by being attacked, they're fucking poor soldiers.

So why the fuck would an SMG make any difference?

Rate of fire and ammunition carried.

See my long edited in explanation for why they would suffer from shock and surprise.

Armies of the time were deeply ingrained in bayonet drill. The average soldier was conditioned to react to someone assaulting him up close in a certain way. That way being stand and stab. The thought that none of his usual tactics (can't shoot and can't stab) are working would send them into a panic. And even a momentary lapse is enough to be gutted or shotgunned to death by experienced and highly drilled assault troops.

Armoring the body won't help, he'll just go for the jugular.

[Den Svenska Riket]

im sure if I made a modern StG-44 that would definetly blow away all other guns.

Tell me more about it.

well I am thinking it would keep the Kurz round and it would be a little slimmer, and smaller and have some rails on it. I can get a PMG of what I am thinking of. on an unrelated note I made this WWI SMG

http://i.imgur.com/Qatn0.png

[Sevvania]

Tell me more about it.

well I am thinking it would keep the Kurz round and it would be a little slimmer, and smaller and have some rails on it. I can get a PMG of what I am thinking of. on an unrelated note I made this WWI SMG

http://i.imgur.com/Qatn0.png

The Kurz round wasn't very good, if my recollection is correct, and your SMG has an AR magazine.