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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 6:50 pm

"Here's a multi-million-dollar aircraft. Instead of spending several hundreds of thousands of dollars equipping it with weapons and armaments, we're just go to load you with fuel and let you aim for the hull."

Seems like sound logic to me. I mean, obviously they can't afford to arm their aircraft, so they need to be sending in suicidal pilots to be doing the most damage at the lowest cost. :roll:

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Postby Mosasauria » Fri May 18, 2012 6:54 pm

Spreewerke wrote:"Here's a multi-million-dollar aircraft. Instead of spending several hundreds of thousands of dollars equipping it with weapons and armaments, we're just go to load you with fuel and let you aim for the hull."

Seems like sound logic to me. I mean, obviously they can't afford to arm their aircraft, so they need to be sending in suicidal pilots to be doing the most damage at the lowest cost. :roll:

Exactly. It really doesn't make much sense at all.
And not only would you be losing millions, you'd be losing pilots. Lots of them.

And what kind of nation that could afford that aircraft wouldn't arm it? I mean, seriously. I see absolutely no point to this..
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 7:44 pm

I might look into getting a scope mount for my AK-103. I've already got a scope picked out for when/if I do: it's a 3.5x fixed-power rifle scope that uses a "German #1" reticle. Though it is somewhat out-dated, I have heard multiple reports of them being easy to aim in a hurry due to the thickness of the posts. That being said, it will be a 300m-or-less optic, so it should work perfectly fine. I think it'll be neat whenever I do get around to it.

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 18, 2012 7:51 pm

Mosasauria wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:"Here's a multi-million-dollar aircraft. Instead of spending several hundreds of thousands of dollars equipping it with weapons and armaments, we're just go to load you with fuel and let you aim for the hull."

Seems like sound logic to me. I mean, obviously they can't afford to arm their aircraft, so they need to be sending in suicidal pilots to be doing the most damage at the lowest cost. :roll:

Exactly. It really doesn't make much sense at all.
And not only would you be losing millions, you'd be losing pilots. Lots of them.

And what kind of nation that could afford that aircraft wouldn't arm it? I mean, seriously. I see absolutely no point to this..

That nation would receive diplomatic letters thanking them for the free target practice.
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Postby New Korongo » Fri May 18, 2012 8:11 pm

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After a series of production delays stemming from the development of a new rail system, the AR-23B assault rifle has entered service with the Imperial Korongolese Army to replace both the less advance AR-23A variant originally intended for colonial units and the unreliable KFR-12 issued to rear echelon troops. The RE-24 reflex sight and RE-26 laser grip system is issued to all infantry armed with the AR-23B.

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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 8:12 pm

New Korongo wrote:
After a series of production delays stemming from the development of a new rail system, the AR-23B assault rifle has entered service with the Imperial Korongolese Army to replace both the less advance AR-23A variant originally intended for colonial units and the unreliable KFR-12 issued to rear echelon troops. The RE-24 reflex sight and RE-26 laser grip system is issued to all infantry armed with the AR-23B.



Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

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Postby New Korongo » Fri May 18, 2012 8:20 pm

Spreewerke wrote:Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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Postby Spreewerke » Fri May 18, 2012 8:22 pm

New Korongo wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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It is better. I will point out that a standard AR-15 magazine, when fully loaded, has the ammunition taking up only about 2/3 of the actual magazine (we have a transparent magazine laying around somewhere, and that's where the "30" mark is; 2/3 down).

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Postby Nirvash Type TheEND » Fri May 18, 2012 8:36 pm

Spreewerke wrote:
New Korongo wrote:Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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It is better. I will point out that a standard AR-15 magazine, when fully loaded, has the ammunition taking up only about 2/3 of the actual magazine (we have a transparent magazine laying around somewhere, and that's where the "30" mark is; 2/3 down).

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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Fri May 18, 2012 10:38 pm



what a clusterfuck

Spreewerke wrote:
Samozaryadnyastan wrote:Well, I guess that would hold the bolt back.
If they discriminated against AK users and didn't permit them because they have no bolt-hold-back, I imagine they wouldn't be all that popular.


People have found ways to keep their bolts back by using a shell casing or whatever, but having a legit hold-open device such as that would eliminate pretty much any possibilities of an overly-strict range officer starting a fuss about it. Also doubles as a handy little thing to aid in clearing jams.


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Postby Galla- » Fri May 18, 2012 10:45 pm

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:


what a clusterfuck

Spreewerke wrote:
People have found ways to keep their bolts back by using a shell casing or whatever, but having a legit hold-open device such as that would eliminate pretty much any possibilities of an overly-strict range officer starting a fuss about it. Also doubles as a handy little thing to aid in clearing jams.


firing ranges are for the propertyless proletariat


this

extreme tyranny @ most ranges that dont even allow steel cored ammo around where i live >:
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Fri May 18, 2012 10:52 pm

New Korongo wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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dat gas block

so huge

(also the barrel looks a little weedy, would make it thicker by a pixel or two)
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Postby Galla- » Fri May 18, 2012 10:54 pm

New Korongo wrote:
After a series of production delays stemming from the development of a new rail system, the AR-23B assault rifle has entered service with the Imperial Korongolese Army to replace both the less advance AR-23A variant originally intended for colonial units and the unreliable KFR-12 issued to rear echelon troops. The RE-24 reflex sight and RE-26 laser grip system is issued to all infantry armed with the AR-23B.


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Postby Kalaeloa » Sat May 19, 2012 2:47 am

Pistol: Springfield Armory 1911 "Operator" version
Side Arm: FN Herstal P90
Assault Rifle: Colt Defense M4A1 SOPMOD Block III, Heckler & Koch Gewehr36 (G36)
Shotgun: Benelli M4 Super 90
Battle Rifle: FN USA Mk. 17 SCAR-H
Sniper Rifle(s): Barrett Firearms Company XM500, Remington Model 700 ADL
Light Machine Gun: FN Manufacturing, LLC M240
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat May 19, 2012 3:22 am

New Korongo wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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The rails on the side look a tad wide
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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat May 19, 2012 4:26 am

Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:


what a clusterfuck

Why?

I also got the implication that the range was indeed Spree's, implying ownership of property.
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Postby Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen » Sat May 19, 2012 5:54 am

Samozaryadnyastan wrote:
Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen wrote:
what a clusterfuck

Why?


look at it

belt-fed weapons are just hilarious

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Postby Samozaryadnyastan » Sat May 19, 2012 6:28 am

Like I said, it's a lot simpler than it actually looks. I never understood how feed pawls worked before, in the M240, they're actuated by the bolt group basically rotating via cams the feed lever, which pulls the belt on one link.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat May 19, 2012 7:08 am

A lot of public ranges are somewhat close to civilization (so, you know, people who live in a city but enjoy firearms can actually shoot their guns without driving an hour away). That being said, not everyone is smart: people are pretty stupid in walks of life, and that, unfortunately, includes folks that shoot for sport. That being said, leaving your weapon "open" pretty much guarantees that no one is going to accidentally send a round down-range while someone is checking their targets (some people still do this, however, since "they weren't in my lane" and that apparently solves everything). Also, the reason many ranges don't allow steel-cored ammunition is more or less to reduce the risk of ricochet by as much as possible. Lead-cored ammunition is far more likely to deform, and sooner at that. Since these ranges do tend to be fairly close to other areas of civilization, this is a pretty decent idea. Since there can be about a dozen people firing at the same time, minimal ricochets are nice.

Do I, myself, like gun ranges? Dunno: never been to one. I just have a private "range" set up in the backyard for informal shoots and for practice. At said informal shoots, only one person is allowed on the line, anyway, and I'm right behind them to help with any malfunctions or operational questions. Due to our location, we give roughly no damns about what type of ammunition is used: we've used tracers every once in a while. As I mentioned, however, since I am always present (or my father is or someone else who knows what they're doing) when someone is firing, the weapon is completely unloaded before moving behind the line to rest the rifle back on the table. It's completely safe; the only issue we've had was with someone who had never fired a gun before, after emptying a magazine from the SIG, turned around to put it back on the table. Didn't quite muzzle sweep the people sitting behind it, but did manage to sweep just a few feet over their head (which still, you know, sucks because there's people and buildings there). After we put him in a sort of "time out" (basically, skip your next few turns at shooting), all was solved and many funs were had.

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Postby Bajireyn » Sat May 19, 2012 7:15 am

New Korongo wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:Your magazine's weird: there really isn't any space for the spring and follower.

Thank you for pointing out that flaw for me.
Does this look any better:
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Nice,but it needs a bayonet.
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Postby Mosasauria » Sat May 19, 2012 8:13 am

Spreewerke wrote:I might look into getting a scope mount for my AK-103. I've already got a scope picked out for when/if I do: it's a 3.5x fixed-power rifle scope that uses a "German #1" reticle. Though it is somewhat out-dated, I have heard multiple reports of them being easy to aim in a hurry due to the thickness of the posts. That being said, it will be a 300m-or-less optic, so it should work perfectly fine. I think it'll be neat whenever I do get around to it.

Sounds pretty awesome.
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat May 19, 2012 8:24 am

Mosasauria wrote:
Spreewerke wrote:I might look into getting a scope mount for my AK-103. I've already got a scope picked out for when/if I do: it's a 3.5x fixed-power rifle scope that uses a "German #1" reticle. Though it is somewhat out-dated, I have heard multiple reports of them being easy to aim in a hurry due to the thickness of the posts. That being said, it will be a 300m-or-less optic, so it should work perfectly fine. I think it'll be neat whenever I do get around to it.

Sounds pretty awesome.



Now that I've been bouncing the idea around in my head, I don't know if I should get the German #1 scope or a POSP calibrated for 7.62x39mm. The POSP would give me range drop chevrons (kind of like a primitive ACOG) and windage and such, but I hear the German one is easier to learn and quicker to aim. I believe both are in the same price range, more or less, and the German #1 is a 3.5x fixed-power whereas the POSP would be a 6x fixed-power.


EDIT: Also just held up the WASR's scope beside a Leapers adjustable zoom scope. Even though my WASR's is marked as "4x", it seemed to be around 2x magnification. :roll: I went ahead and adjusted the Leapers to 6x and it was pretty nice: I could still see quite a bit and it wasn't that big of a change. Granted, it's a completely different design than the POSP, the level of zoom wasn't overly powerful for 300m or less. I might just get the POSP.

EDIT DOS: Turns out I forget to reset the Leapers back to 4x when testing with the WASR's scope. Das ist ein uberfail, ja? I'm allowing you guys one post each to make fun of me now.
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Postby Risen Britannia » Sat May 19, 2012 11:24 am

totally original design /sarcasm
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Were rails in general use during the cold war? (60s/70s era)
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Postby Spreewerke » Sat May 19, 2012 11:29 am

Risen Britannia wrote:Were rails in general use during the cold war? (60s/70s era)


No.

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Postby Indeos » Sat May 19, 2012 11:30 am

Risen Britannia wrote:totally original design /sarcasm
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Were rails in general use during the cold war? (60s/70s era)


As far as I can tell, they weren't even invented till the 90s.
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