NS Armoured Vehicle & Design thread

[Purpelia]

Also, how do you guys feel about approximately 500mm of side armor? I would be adding slat armor (Leo2 style) to it as well as ERA. But don't count those right now.

[Immoren]

When talking about AT-mines outside of mobility kill modern MBTs are quite immune to any sensible sized singular blast mine. Albeit stacking them changes things. I don't remember exact cone diametre of HEAT mines I have handled so I can't say about armour thicknesses

[Vitaphone Racing]

Well, my revised math puts the front hull armor at about 65T (assuming RHA). Does anyone have an idea how to convert that mass into modern composites without actually designing my own highly detailed composite armor. (I just need a very rough estimate)

You'll have to work out the thickness of each layer and it's relative mass, and then add it all up. Start by figuring out what you're going to use first.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

The People's Standing Army uses the Samozniy Workshops Heavy Armoured Vehicle Type 2 (SW-HAV-2) "King David" battle tank.
The current-issue variant is the HAV-2-X Mod 2 (HAV-2 Mod 4)/ILS.
The ILS, or Improved Lethality System, package replaces the Commander's RWS (which normally holds either the CSW-1 "Shrike" 14.5x114mm machine gun, CSW-1B "Shrike Para" 12.7x99mm machine gun or an SAW-3 "Kodkod" 7.62x51mm GPMG) with a light turret mounting a CSW-10 25x145mm chain-driven autocannon with co-axial SAW-3 (alternatively a heavier CSW-9 30x165mm autocannon at reduced ammunition capacity), and placing a modified CSW-1 (CSW-1D) as a co-axial to the tank's main gun.
The main gun is a 125mm system derived from the Russian 2A46/M tank armament, and mated with a new case-based propellant, giving round dimension of 125x525mm.

The powertrain of the Mod 4 is the Forza Greentank diesel-electric hybrid drive, as opposed to the original (and export) D/E powertrain, that ran solely from an electric engine powered from a heavy diesel engine.
Whilst this adds a gearbox to the system, the different power production method, as well as the improved fuel consumption and energy use, comes with multiple benefits to performance and capability.

More detail available here.

One day I will finish this.

[Purpelia]

Well, my revised math puts the front hull armor at about 65T (assuming RHA). Does anyone have an idea how to convert that mass into modern composites without actually designing my own highly detailed composite armor. (I just need a very rough estimate)

You'll have to work out the thickness of each layer and it's relative mass, and then add it all up. Start by figuring out what you're going to use first.

Somehow I don't think I can actually custom design modern composite armor. I thought the only ones that could were specialist scientist who are not allowed to talk about their work anyway.

[Crookfur]

You'll have to work out the thickness of each layer and it's relative mass, and then add it all up. Start by figuring out what you're going to use first.

Somehow I don't think I can actually custom design modern composite armor. I thought the only ones that could were specialist scientist who are not allowed to talk about their work anyway.

You migth not get the exact coposition but you can come up with some rough percentages.

or you could dig through the armour scientific subforum on tanknet for various mass and thickness efficnecy/equivelency values and just apply a rough average.

this thread might be good starting point:

http://208.84.116.223/forums/index.php? ... cency&st=0

If the answers you seek are anywhere in the public domanin they'll be on tanknet.

[Gebeta]

The Gebetan Designed and Built
M10 IFV wheeled.
It replaces the Humvee an is the Gebetan Version of the MRAP. The Windows can be replaced with armor, similar to the up armored Hummvees.
Comments?
(Its based of a tank hull, so would that cause problems if it was real?)

[Samozaryadnyastan]

What's with the Batmobile front wheel mountings?

[Caninope]

Yeah, so due to various tank deals, I pretty much have access to most Lyran tanks and all the Yohannesische tanks (except for that Knootoss one). In addition, I have easy access to Lyran vehicles, the few Yohannesische vehicles, and Anemos Major vehicles.

I like to think I'm pretty set here. Yes, yes, I know the wide variety could lead to logistical problems in the real world, but I've got an in game budget of 95 trillion or so to kill, so let me buy fictional vehicles in peace, alright?

EDIT: I take some of that back. I have the Dire Wolf and the Valkyries from Lyras, but not the Rottweilers and the Wolfhounds. Give me a few days, and that shall be rectified.

[Gebeta]

What's with the Batmobile front wheel mountings?

Left over from the orginal tank design. I figured I'd just stick wheels in them. Ill post a pick of the Red Star tanks, which is what gave birth to this.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

That's going to be a major weak point, considering there is now several feet less armour plate in front of the cabin dead centre of the vehicle.

[Imperial isa]

would a ww2 tank body be best to base a tank made from scrap ?

should note it be for infantry support role

[Crookfur]

would a ww2 tank body be best to base a tank made from scrap ?

should note it be for infantry support role

Its really not terribly clear what you are asking here.

Are you talking about building an A-team special out of stuff lieing around or asking for a suggestion for a particular ww2 hull that might be found in a storage depot that might be worthwhile being remanufactured intoa viable current infantry tank?

if its no.2 you would liekly find it easier to use a mroe modern surpluss hull/chassis posisbly from something like an M113/FV432 or an early model bradley/BMP.

[Hippostania]

Opinions please.


Merina MBT

Crew 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
Length 9.20m (gun forward), 7.78m (hull)
Width 3.65m
Height 2.60m (excluding antennas)
Weight 62.8t

Armour Advanced composite, add-on ERA or NERA package (optional)
Main armament 140mm L/55 ETC smoothbore gun
Secondary armament 20mm coaxial autocannon, 2x 12.7mm MG pintle-mounted RWS

Power plant 12cyl. hybrid twin-turbo diesel/electric motor 1750hp
Suspension Hybrid active hydropneumatic/torsion bar
Road speed 80km/h (governed)
Off-road speed 52km/h
Power/weight 27.8hp/t
Range 650km

[Imperial isa]

would a ww2 tank body be best to base a tank made from scrap ?

should note it be for infantry support role

Its really not terribly clear what you are asking here.

Are you talking about building an A-team special out of stuff lieing around or asking for a suggestion for a particular ww2 hull that might be found in a storage depot that might be worthwhile being remanufactured intoa viable current infantry tank?

if its no.2 you would liekly find it easier to use a mroe modern surpluss hull/chassis posisbly from something like an M113/FV432 or an early model bradley/BMP.

think the a team fit in the fallout/mad max type nation

[Samozaryadnyastan]

@ Hippo

You can't realistically have an L/55 140mm gun.
There's an unwritten law of tanking called the "seven metre rule" which states that a gun barrel longer than seven metres is likely to incur severe damage if fired on the move - a key component of modern armoured warfare.

The longest feasible length for a 140mm would be an L/50 gun.
On that note, a tank almost eight metres long with a seven metre gun barrel would be a lot longer than 9.2m gun-forward - you're looking at nearer 12m.
The gun barrel obviously looks small on that basis, as does the 20mm co-axial (your commander's 50s look as big or even bigger - at least double the size of the barrel, length as well as girth), but I feel the turret is quite small, as well. Just wants to be extended horizontally, I feel. I doubt the need for two 50s, certainly in the same mounting - it would affect your shot placement at long range.

[Arcturus Novus]

Does anyone know what my AAC (not technically a tank, more of a mobile gun emplacement) really is?

[Crookfur]

Does anyone know what my AAC (not technically a tank, more of a mobile gun emplacement) really is?

Your what?

Do you mean the predator you psoted on the last page?

[Yohannes]

@Hippo: I quite doubt the fact of whether a 140/L5550 (ETC at that) is going to be compatible in a 62 tonnes platform, unless that is a low-pressure one that you're using..? Furthermore, looking at your engine, gun, armour, etc. I feel that your tank will at the very least, weighting 70 at the very least.

[Imperial isa]

Does anyone know what my AAC (not technically a tank, more of a mobile gun emplacement) really is?

warhammer 40k Predator

[Arcturus Novus]

Does anyone know what my AAC (not technically a tank, more of a mobile gun emplacement) really is?

warhammer 40k Predator

That obvious? And I tried to find one with a realistic paint job and not black, red, or blue.
Whatever. It serves its purpose well.

[Lubyak]

warhammer 40k Predator

That obvious? And I tried to find one with a realistic paint job and not black, red, or blue.
Whatever. It serves its purpose well.

The Predator is really pretty iconic. I mean you could have done worse--in terms of obviousness-- with the Leman (glory to the mighty Imperial Guard!) and what not, but you can't hide the heavy bolters on the side or the fact that it's an autocannon turret.

[Crookfur]

That obvious? And I tried to find one with a realistic paint job and not black, red, or blue.
Whatever. It serves its purpose well.

The Predator is really pretty iconic. I mean you could have done worse--in terms of obviousness-- with the Leman (glory to the mighty Imperial Guard!) and what not, but you can't hide the heavy bolters on the side or the fact that it's an autocannon turret.

Old school pred= best pred

[The Anglo-Saxon Empire]

Opinions please.

(Image)
Merina MBT

Crew 3 (driver, gunner, commander)
Length 9.20m (gun forward), 7.78m (hull)
Width 3.65m
Height 2.60m (excluding antennas)
Weight 62.8t

Armour Advanced composite, add-on ERA or NERA package (optional)
Main armament 140mm L/55 ETC smoothbore gun
Secondary armament 20mm coaxial autocannon, 2x 12.7mm MG pintle-mounted RWS

Power plant 12cyl. hybrid twin-turbo diesel/electric motor 1750hp
Suspension Hybrid active hydropneumatic/torsion bar
Road speed 80km/h (governed)
Off-road speed 52km/h
Power/weight 27.8hp/t
Range 650km

Pretty much all of the stats look fine alone, but when taken together it starts to look awkward. For example...
1. A 140mm 55 caliber gun would be 7.7 meters long (breaks the 7 meter rule, but disregard that for now) your overall length is 9.2 meters. That gives you only 1.5 meters between the breech of the gun and the rearmost part of the tank. Also, most western tanks are closer to 11 or 12 meters gun forward.
2. It seems like you are packing too much into it for its weight,140mm ETC gun, 20mm autocannon, 2 HMGs, a 1750 HP engine, only 3.65 meters wide, only 62 tons, and a range of 650 km.

I mean if you took away the more NSey stuff your tank could remain the same size, but with the NS stuff it really starts to seem weird jamming all that stuff in there while remaining so small.

[Gebeta]

The Predator is really pretty iconic. I mean you could have done worse--in terms of obviousness-- with the Leman (glory to the mighty Imperial Guard!) and what not, but you can't hide the heavy bolters on the side or the fact that it's an autocannon turret.

Old school pred= best pred

Always figured it could be a future tank inspired by the A7 and Male tanks of world war one with a turret on on top, a simple but effective design and build.