Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Galla-]

in other news TWO GUNS JUST WASN'T ENOUGH

amazing

[Crookfur]

How many tanks should there be in a division?

how long is a peice of string...


it all depends on the type of division, the nation it is from and which of that nations flavour of tank company/battalion forms the basis for thier divsions.

In theory british amry armoured and mechanised brigades should each have 58 MBTs but of course as things stand whats left of the British Divsions are a bit small i.e. only about 2 brigades in size. so you are only looking at about 116 MBTs (plus assorted scimitars) per divsion.

Currently US armoured divsions have about the same number of tanks (assuming i'm reading the Heavy brigade combat team organisation correctly) but the russians i'm not sure about as i have no idea where they are on thier transition to using brigades for msot things. Under the old soviet divsions there were some VERY tank heavy formations which you cna read about at your lesiure in FM 100-60:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land ... 100-60.htm

[Risen Britannia]

How many tanks should there be in a division?

how long is a peice of string...

About yay long...
*gestures with hands*

[Spirit of Hope]

how long is a peice of string...

About yay long...
*gestures with hands*

You must have some long string, I have mine this long

*gestures with fingers*

[The Kievan People]

but the russians i'm not sure about as i have no idea where they are on thier transition to using brigades for msot things. Under the old soviet divsions there were some VERY tank heavy formations which you cna read about at your lesiure in FM 100-60:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land ... 100-60.htm

New Russian Motor Rifle Brigades have a single 40 tank battalion. New Tank brigades unknown (the same 3-1 structure reversed would be a fair guess), but are only four in the new OOB against 34 Motor Rifle Brigade* so the old-style mass tank formations are very much out.

*The equipment for one more tank Brigade will be held in storage. So will enough equipment for seventeen more Motor Rifle Brigades.

Edit: I can't read so good. Three tank battalions and one Motor Rifle Battalion is confirmed for tank Brigades.

[Questers]

but the russians i'm not sure about as i have no idea where they are on thier transition to using brigades for msot things. Under the old soviet divsions there were some VERY tank heavy formations which you cna read about at your lesiure in FM 100-60:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land ... 100-60.htm

New Russian Motor Rifle Brigades have a single 40 tank battalion. New Tank brigades unknown (the same 3-1 structure reversed would be a fair guess), but are only four in the new OOB against 34 Motor Rifle Brigade* so the old-style mass tank formations are very much out.

*The equipment for one more tank Brigade will be held in storage. So will enough equipment for seventeen more Motor Rifle Brigades.

Edit: I can't read so good. Three tank battalions and one Motor Rifle Battalion is confirmed for tank Brigades.

Do you have a link for this?

That's still 480 tanks in the tank bdes alone, that's quite a lot in modern warfare. +1360 not including reserve equipment for the MRBs. After all, USA deployed 11 tank battalions to Iraq in 03, although I'm not sure the size of a US Battalion. And the largest brigade-sized group had only 2 tank battalions.

[Questers]

As for me, this is the constitution of a tank division

11th Guards Tank Division - 14,325 men, 288 guns, 422 IFV, 409 tanks
Signals and Headquarters Group (630 men)
11A Tank Regiment Battlegroup (1620 men, 48 guns, 189 tanks)
11B Tank Regiment Battlegroup
11C Mechanised Regiment Battlegroup (3630 men, 298 IFV, 48 guns, 31 tanks)
11D Artillery Brigade (1140 men, 144 guns)
SAM Battalion (360 men)
Reconnaissance Battalion (880 men)
Light Battalion (880 men, 124 IFV)
Engineer Battalion (880 men)
Repairs Battalion (800 men)
River Crossing Battalion (145 men)
Medical Company (140 men)
Support Battalion (800 men)
Transport Battalion (800 men)

[The Akasha Colony]

New Russian Motor Rifle Brigades have a single 40 tank battalion. New Tank brigades unknown (the same 3-1 structure reversed would be a fair guess), but are only four in the new OOB against 34 Motor Rifle Brigade* so the old-style mass tank formations are very much out.

*The equipment for one more tank Brigade will be held in storage. So will enough equipment for seventeen more Motor Rifle Brigades.

Edit: I can't read so good. Three tank battalions and one Motor Rifle Battalion is confirmed for tank Brigades.

Do you have a link for this?

That's still 480 tanks in the tank bdes alone, that's quite a lot in modern warfare. +1360 not including reserve equipment for the MRBs. After all, USA deployed 11 tank battalions to Iraq in 03, although I'm not sure the size of a US Battalion. And the largest brigade-sized group had only 2 tank battalions.

Don't know how many they had in the dedicated tank battalions back then, but the current plan for a Heavy Brigade Combat Team calls for two combined-arms battalions, each with two tank companies of 14 tanks each. So that's 28 per battalion and 56 per brigade. On paper, that means a full division of four such brigades would have 224 tanks, although most divisions are mixed in composition. As it stands, only one division in the US Army is registered as being composed entirely of heavy/armored brigades, which is the 1st Cavalry Division. The 1st Armored Division is a mixed formation including a Stryker brigade and an infantry brigade, with only two armored brigades. Stryker and infantry brigades are not listed as being assigned any tanks.

With 16 total armored brigades, that equates to a total active-duty tank force of 896 machines, not including spares and additional vehicles. Perhaps it's better to say that represents 896 tank crews, as the Army has many thousands of tanks in storage and undergoing varying stages of refurbishment.

[System-Lord Baal]

The serpent and symbiote variants of a typical Goa'uld tank. (JG scale).

It's little more than a glorified giant staff weapon cannon that can be moved around easily and carries a heavy shield generator. It's used as support for infantry, as the typical tactic is to use bombers or gliders on anything bigger than troops.

The tanks come in "wings" of three, same as any small spacecraft does.

[The Kievan People]

Do you have a link for this?

That's still 480 tanks in the tank bdes alone, that's quite a lot in modern warfare. +1360 not including reserve equipment for the MRBs. After all, USA deployed 11 tank battalions to Iraq in 03, although I'm not sure the size of a US Battalion. And the largest brigade-sized group had only 2 tank battalions.

http://www.cast.ru/files/book/NewArmy_sm.pdf

Compared to the 20,000+ they had on paper in the 90's it's quite modest. By Russian standards.

The real winner is artillery: Two SPH battalions and one MRL battalion in every Motor Rifle Brigade.

[Questers]

Do you have a link for this?

That's still 480 tanks in the tank bdes alone, that's quite a lot in modern warfare. +1360 not including reserve equipment for the MRBs. After all, USA deployed 11 tank battalions to Iraq in 03, although I'm not sure the size of a US Battalion. And the largest brigade-sized group had only 2 tank battalions.

http://www.cast.ru/files/book/NewArmy_sm.pdf

Compared to the 20,000+ they had on paper in the 90's it's quite modest. By Russian standards.

The real winner is artillery: Two SPH battalions and one MRL battalion in every Motor Rifle Brigade.

The real Russian character, of course, was always artillery, not tanks.

[Ea90]

Is 500 tanks per division completely unrealistic?

[Nottd]

My main tank is warrior tank the first was created during the 2nd global war and was used hundreds of times during it. It was upgraded to compensate for new tanks. Pictures below.

[Nottd]

My main tank is warrior tank:

This is Warrior tank mark VI

This is the Warrior tank III

And the original warrior tank the Mark I

[The Akasha Colony]

Is 500 tanks per division completely unrealistic?

Not necessarily, if your military is very tank-heavy, and you have dedicated armored divisions with no or very little infantry. A 500-tank division with infantry though will be extremely large, and probably not worth the command and logistical complexity it requires. Nowadays though at least in the real world it seems that combined arms is the way to go, since the sort of big, set-piece tank-on-tank field battles don't seem so likely anymore, and armored divisions need to be more flexible. The fear of Ivan's T-72 hordes pouring through the Fulda Gap and into the North German Plain is no longer a big doctrinal sticking point, so flexibility at the cost of specialization in one area is the current order of the day for most Western militaries, and even most big Eastern ones too.

[Ea90]

http://i47.tinypic.com/f4ehhv.png
Name: T-88M Olen
Crew: 3 (commander, gunner, driver)

Mass (tonnes): 60
Hull length (mm): 8080
Gun-forward length (mm): 1066
Width with skirts (mm): 4300
Turret roof height (mm): 2500

Main armament: 127mm L52 High Velocity Auto-loaded Smoothbore Cannon with 40 rounds
Secondary armament: 1x 15mm Light Autocannon with 1000 rounds, 2x 8mm GPMG with 5000 rounds

Engine: D-188 Multi-fuel Diesel (1680bhp)
Power to weight Ratio: 28 hp/ton
Suspension: Torsion bar
Ground clearance: 500mm
Internal fuel capacity: 1265 L
Fuel to range ratio: 2.3 l/km
Maximum speed: 70 km/h
Off-road speed: 50 km/h
Operational range: 550 km

There's not much to go on just from the stats, but hopefully the writeup should be ready soon (1668 words so far).

[Bafuria]

Do any of you know whether infrared imaging or image intensifiers can be used to make coincidence rangefinders useful at night?

[Camthonland]

M1A1 Abrams

[Dostanuot Loj]

Do any of you know whether infrared imaging or image intensifiers can be used to make coincidence rangefinders useful at night?

Why would you....?
You have laser rangefinders for a reason.

[Our Most Resplendent Goddess Sen]

trying to be stelfy and not set off laser-warning sensors, presumably

[Grand Britannia]

in other news TWO GUNS JUST WASN'T ENOUGH

amazing

Looks like a battleship turret on threads.

[The Kievan People]

Do any of you know whether infrared imaging or image intensifiers can be used to make coincidence rangefinders useful at night?

They can.

[Kargrazia]

Kargrazia operates four tank types. None of them are classified as MBTs, but that won't keep the Proletarian Dictatorship from posting!

The first two are light tanks intended for operation in specific environments, and are a mix of imported and locally produced Chinese models, namely the Type 62, deployed in the nation's extensive mountain terrain, and the Type 63 amphibious model, both armed with 85mm guns.

The IS (Iosef Stalin) 10 was developed in the USSR and renamed T-10 during the de-Stalinisation that followed the dictator's death. Kargrazia, though, renouncing this process as revisionism, maintained the prior designation and began to build-up its own ability to produce the tank, eventually gaining a full capacity during the 1970s as Rem Bahui briefly thawed Soviet-Kargrazian relations and the Soviet Army lost interest in the heavy tank concept after the Six Day War. Since the hard-line coup that put Antoi Bexhi into the Kargrazian premiership, domestic defence industry has sought to improve upon what it has.

The IS-11 replaces T-10's 122mm gun with a long-barrel 130mm weapon (as was proposed for later Soviet heavy tanks that never arrived), and it is equipped with an auto-loader that slightly improves rate of fire. The term, "slightly" is significant because the autoloader is essentially a first-generation device known to suffer numerous problems. Another improvement is in the shape of the cast turret and forward hull armour, supposed to enable better elevation and depression of the main gun so as to allow use of the hull-down position, handy in the rugged Kargrazian environment, though the low profile of the design still limits this function compared with what may be achieved by many western-style MBTs. The main gun also has two-plane stabilisation system, a fume extractor, and is capable of firing HEAT and APDS ammunition.

As in the late-production T-10, IS-11 has NBC protection and the ability to ford waters to a depth of five metres. It has infra-red night-vision equipment but no really modern, reliable thermal imaging system has yet been developed by autarkic Kargrazi industry, and only elite units are fitted with short-range image enhancement equipment.

Secondary armament is of two KPVT 14.5mm heavy machineguns, one co-axial with the main gun and one roof-mounted for anti-aircraft defence.

IS-11 has extremely wide tracks for negotiation of soft ground, and is powered by a 780hp 12-cylinder diesel engine, having the ability to generate a smoke-screen by injecting diesel fuel into the exhaust. Road speed is up to 40km/h (25mph) and range some 250km. Crew is just three men.

The Kargrazian heavy tank weighs around 54 tonnes, is 10.3 metres in over-all length, about 3.6 metres wide, and 2.45 metres high.

It is known that the IS-11 has extremely heavy armour and obvious that it is generally quite well sloped, and the government insists that Kargrazian steel is of fine quality, and the CNA claims to have incorporated a resin-embedded ceramics layer within parts of the frontal armour.

One of Kargrazia's four principle tanks, larger than the light amphibious and mountain tanks and smaller than the IS-11 heavy. Based upon the T-44, it mounts a high-pressure 100mm smoothbore gun of Kargrazi design, with 36 rounds and capability to launch anti-tank missiles. The tank weighs 34.6 tonnes. Powered by a 525hp diesel engine AB-44's range is approximately 550km and top speed 53km/h. Armour is up to 120mm steel, and 6mm side skirts are usually added. A two plane stabilisation system is fitted to the main gun, and first generation night vision equipment is provided. Many examples in service are fitted with appliqué armour.

Two other versions of the AB-44 exist, one armed instead with a 100mm rifle that does not launch guided missiles and is based on a Romanian anti-tank gun, and a second armed with a 122mm gun. They are otherwise similar to the basic model. In addition, the AB-44's chassis has been used as the basis of the Bexhi self-propelled gun, and various engineering vehicles.

[The Orson Empire]

AT-1000 Hovertank Prototype:
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs31/f/2008/204/e/3/Hover_Tank_Destoryer_by_danielcherng.jpg
Our newest addition to the tank divisions. This tank is designed to hover above the ground, thus avoiding the terrain, allowing it to go anywhere in battle. The tank can also be pressurized for when doing operations on other planets with hostile atmospheres. It is also designed to carry up to 5 soldiers safely into the battlefield.
AT-1000 Battle Tank:
http://media.desura.com/images/members/1/542/541153/Futuristic_3.jpg
The main battle tank of the army. Designed to replace the AT-225, and old, 1960s era tank. Has better and more durable armor than the AT-225, and more weapons.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Are light tanks such as the M551 Sheridan armed with high-calibre gun-launchers still a viable part of armoured doctrine? I'm wondering if I should consider a gun-launcher equipped variant of my light tank to complement the autocannon variant.

After all, with its gun launcher the Sheridan could have supported infantry by destroying enemy tanks with Shillelagh, and destroying buildings and fortifications with a variety of other munitions. Or it could have functioned in a Tank Destroying role, being dropped behind enemy lines and wreaking havoc upon defensive formations of enemy tanks.