Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Risen Britannia]

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...Um Ularn, this may be a bit off topic. But what is going on with that word document? (the left hand one)

[Legokiller]

The T-84 MBT is an action pack vehicle; operate by ponies, which is used within the Legokilleran Army.

[Milograd]

Well, her account still exists, but her nation itself has now been deleted.
So whenever she posts (if she ever does so again), she will have the 'ex-nation' flag.

You can't login to accounts that have had their associated nations deleted.

[Ularn]

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...Um Ularn, this may be a bit off topic. But what is going on with that word document? (the left hand one)

Haha! Ooops.

I'm revising for my media law exam at the same time as messing around with the tank design, and currently looking over my notes on the EU law regarding Pornography and Obscenity. The reading material is...interesting, but I swear the toolbar is perfectly innocent!

[The Akasha Colony]

What would be a typical composition of a 50-man tank platoon:

Would it be eight tanks with four-man crews (including platoon leader and sergeant) for a total of 32 men in the tanks and 18 as the support staff?

Eight tanks would be a lot, probably too many, due to coordination issues. As the US Army found out during the Cold War with its experiments in the Pentomic division structure, the average commander can only coordinate 2-5 action units; eight becomes too much to manage. IMO, it'd be easier to just split it in half with two four-tank platoons, which is what most real-world armies follow.

I believe though most tank platoons only have crew in them; the British standard is for four tanks with fifteen men and one officer, which means they just have the four crew per tank, and none outside of that, since that means those men either have to walk or drive in more vulnerable vehicles that have to be protected.

[Inutoland]

So wait. She is a SHE?! And she got her self banned and quit NS over a thread? That's sort of like committing suicide over breaking a plastic glue-on nail. Don't you think?

As for the hovertank guy. Seriously man. Just go retro and use the BMD-3 combined with a PT-76. Or make your own modern version. With ATGM's on top they should be perfectly able to outgun and outarmor anything your enemy is likely to deploy in such terrain.

If by the hovertank guy you mean me, I have no idea what most of that meant.

I expect he means me. And I do mean a conventional hovercraft, light armour, 105mm gun mostly used for GLATGMs. Probably not going to get it to move its own weight without lolhueg fans beneath, but it was fun to design.

[The Republic of Lanos]

What would be a typical composition of a 50-man tank platoon:

Would it be eight tanks with four-man crews (including platoon leader and sergeant) for a total of 32 men in the tanks and 18 as the support staff?

Eight tanks would be a lot, probably too many, due to coordination issues. As the US Army found out during the Cold War with its experiments in the Pentomic division structure, the average commander can only coordinate 2-5 action units; eight becomes too much to manage. IMO, it'd be easier to just split it in half with two four-tank platoons, which is what most real-world armies follow.

I believe though most tank platoons only have crew in them; the British standard is for four tanks with fifteen men and one officer, which means they just have the four crew per tank, and none outside of that, since that means those men either have to walk or drive in more vulnerable vehicles that have to be protected.

Hmm. Ok, seems reasonable.

[Ularn]

If by the hovertank guy you mean me, I have no idea what most of that meant.

I expect he means me. And I do mean a conventional hovercraft, light armour, 105mm gun mostly used for GLATGMs. Probably not going to get it to move its own weight without lolhueg fans beneath, but it was fun to design.

I realised that shortly after. At first I was just confused as to why my Futuretank of awesomeness should be using light armour and floats

[Samozaryadnyastan]

If by the hovertank guy you mean me, I have no idea what most of that meant.

I expect he means me. And I do mean a conventional hovercraft, light armour, 105mm gun mostly used for GLATGMs. Probably not going to get it to move its own weight without lolhueg fans beneath, but it was fun to design.

Hovercraft can be pretty damned heavy. The USN LCAC can carry a fully-loaded battle-ready M1 Abrams. I'm sure if you basically turn a Stryker MGS into a slightly bigger hovercraft with a conventional tank turret (and bigger gun) and some additional weapon systems and APS, I'm sure that would be good. Or, considering how dense your nation's vegetation could be, maybe consider an even smaller hovercraft with an AMOS turret.

[The Republic of Lanos]

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Stinger Niner, this is Air Combat Command. You are hereby cleared by President to drop your nuclear precision guided munitions on target. Over.

Also, my orbital weapons crews would have a field day locking on to that.

[Purpelia]

Although I like Rroan and certainly don't want to see her banned, the chances of this being over turned are slim to nil. She was told to stop complaining but she continued; a ban might have been a bit harsh but it was at least justified. Posting past the ban is much harder to argue. Not going to get lifted.

I find it very disturbing that complaining is a crime unto it self...
Ban evasion, sure I can buy that. But complaining.

As for the composite armor issue. What's with all the people suggesting I actually somehow find top secret restricted newer going to be available to the public data about the materials and composition of the armor? I mean sure it's the correct thing to do to get an accurate number. But actually doing it is beyond impossible. I was hoping there was some NS rule to calculating this. Just like it's an unspoken NS rule that ECT adds 18% or something power to your gun.

[Ularn]

Okay, I'll try and stop spamming this thread for a while now but god-damn if this thing isn't starting to look sexy!

Samoz, how does Linc generally feel about posting 3D models. Are they allowed in the general threads or would it go under "Prohibited Art"?

[Gawdzendia]

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Stinger Niner, this is Air Combat Command. You are hereby cleared by President to drop your nuclear precision guided munitions on target. Over.

Also, my orbital weapons crews would have a field day locking on to that.

Psssh.

I'm ok with tactical nukes being flung all over the place, but the second theater, intercontinental, or orbital nukes come into play I more or less enter MAD mode.

However, Im glad it's either a) large enough or b) enough of a threat to use orbital weapons on.

[Inutoland]

I expect he means me. And I do mean a conventional hovercraft, light armour, 105mm gun mostly used for GLATGMs. Probably not going to get it to move its own weight without lolhueg fans beneath, but it was fun to design.

Hovercraft can be pretty damned heavy. The USN LCAC can carry a fully-loaded battle-ready M1 Abrams. I'm sure if you basically turn a Stryker MGS into a slightly bigger hovercraft with a conventional tank turret (and bigger gun) and some additional weapon systems and APS, I'm sure that would be good. Or, considering how dense your nation's vegetation could be, maybe consider an even smaller hovercraft with an AMOS turret.

Nice idea. I'll have to play around with it. This is my current model. Baseline model features a 24mm autocannon, but the Water-Devil variant is more tanklike and has the 107mm gun.

[Purpelia]

Where is the doom laser? Or a huge plasma destroyer? What about 28 cm C/28 sponsons?

[Gawdzendia]

Where is the doom laser? Or a huge plasma destroyer? What about 28 cm C/28 sponsons?

Some of us try to work within the confines of physics and realism, captain thick armour.

[Ularn]

Where is the doom laser? Or a huge plasma destroyer? What about 28 cm C/28 sponsons?

It's getting a Muslamic Railgun - is that enough?

[Purpelia]

Where is the doom laser? Or a huge plasma destroyer? What about 28 cm C/28 sponsons?

Some of us try to work within the confines of physics and realism, captain thick armour.

Hey. 2 meters of armor can totally work. On a side note, does anyone have any idea how thick the armor on modern tanks is? Especially on the sides and the sides of the turret. I wanted to have only 500mm of side armor and I am not sure if that's enough.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Okay, I'll try and stop spamming this thread for a while now but god-damn if this thing isn't starting to look sexy!

Samoz, how does Linc generally feel about posting 3D models. Are they allowed in the general threads or would it go under "Prohibited Art"?

Not sure it technically qualifies as 'lineart', but I don't know what the definition is at all.
I can't recall 3D models being posted before, actually.

Post one, see if they're OK with it, continue. Or cease and desist if they aren't, but you'll never know until you find out.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Some of us try to work within the confines of physics and realism, captain thick armour.

Hey. 2 meters of armor can totally work. On a side note, does anyone have any idea how thick the armor on modern tanks is? Especially on the sides and the sides of the turret. I wanted to have only 500mm of side armor and I am not sure if that's enough.

That's significantly more than most modern tanks field. It's pretty close to what they have in RHA equivalent.

[The Republic of Lanos]

Stinger Niner, this is Air Combat Command. You are hereby cleared by President to drop your nuclear precision guided munitions on target. Over.

Also, my orbital weapons crews would have a field day locking on to that.

Psssh.

I'm ok with tactical nukes being flung all over the place, but the second theater, intercontinental, or orbital nukes come into play I more or less enter MAD mode.

However, Im glad it's either a) large enough or b) enough of a threat to use orbital weapons on.

I don't use orbital nukes. I use kinetic orbital weapons. That's large enough for it to be targeted and wrecked by one of my orbital weapon sats.

[Purpelia]

Hey. 2 meters of armor can totally work. On a side note, does anyone have any idea how thick the armor on modern tanks is? Especially on the sides and the sides of the turret. I wanted to have only 500mm of side armor and I am not sure if that's enough.

That's significantly more than most modern tanks field. It's pretty close to what they have in RHA equivalent.

Yes, but how would it fare? Remember, I am attempting to design a tank that can take a hit from anything, ANYTHING the enemy can throw at it and fire back. One of my end goals includes resisting the Lyras 190mm canon. Now, I figure that with 2m of front armor + ERA I have the front covered. But I am worried if considering my goal 500mm on either side would be enough.

[Amerikians]

Taking back what I said on the other thread, I'll be keeping the M-60A4 in service; I'll have a nice write up eventually for it, so I'll just stalk here for better ideas and what not to do advice in the mean time since I'm by no means, an expert. It'll likely be an extensive upgrade of the M-60-2000, I think.

[Gawdzendia]

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Psssh.

I'm ok with tactical nukes being flung all over the place, but the second theater, intercontinental, or orbital nukes come into play I more or less enter MAD mode.

However, Im glad it's either a) large enough or b) enough of a threat to use orbital weapons on.

I don't use orbital nukes. I use kinetic orbital weapons. That's large enough for it to be targeted and wrecked by one of my orbital weapon sats.

>Not using Nukes
>NationStates

Ahhhh, rods from god.

I used to have these things called LOTUS platforms, which were hydrogen stream particle cannons, but orbital weapons add too much of a "I'm at war now, lets snipe all of his important stuff" factor.

Id sooner launch a couple hundred 15 megaton cluster MIRV's.

This leads me into a related question when it comes to CIWS and its use on my Super-Heavy. What is the general effectiveness of a CIWS against, lets say, a Tomahawk?

Does it boil down to reaction time, and can a CIWS take one out in a timely fashion?

[The Akasha Colony]

MBT-01 Cerebrese

Posted this in the original thread, but this is essentially a re-done version since the old one was not to the proper scale I was aiming for, since I didn't scale the baseline image properly. The old one was an awkward 1 m = 82.2 px, while the current one is 1 m = 100 px. It's also PMT, first off.

1. Yes, I'm aware how long that gun is. It's a 150 mm L/55 railgun, and yes, I know it violates the 7 meter rule. I may or may not adjust it in the future, depending on how things go. As a railgun, it could be shortened so long as the rails can handle increased voltage and friction per-meter and still put out the same muzzle velocity. I also replaced the barrel from the old design to look better and to be appropriately scaled.

2. Finer detail work still needs to be done; this is just something I tossed together to see how things scaled and to get a rough approximation of the look. But that's what I'm here to ask about, since the rest of this needs to be 'filled in' with detail. Gradients and the like also still need to be added to everything except the main gun barrel.

3. The lettering will have its size increased; it was scaled to the old drawing, and will be enlarged. It's just a bit of a hassle given the various different sizes used, but it'll be done by the time the final is completed.