Military Ground Vehicles of Your Nation [NO MECHS] Mk.IV

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Are most ifvs/apcs front engined or rear engined?

I believe they are front engined to make use of ~50mm extra RHA.

So not the reason.
So not correct.

[Vitaphone Racing]

Front engine for sick skids y/y?

[Orussia]

I believe they are front engined to make use of ~50mm extra RHA.

So not the reason.
So not correct.

Indeed. Most APCs/IFVs are front engine to allow for the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp, so that disembarking troops are better protected.

[Rich and Corporations]

So not the reason.
So not correct.

Indeed. Most APCs/IFVs are front engine to allow for the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp, so that disembarking troops are better protected.

But yet it doesn't prevent the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp??

[Orussia]

Indeed. Most APCs/IFVs are front engine to allow for the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp, so that disembarking troops are better protected.

But yet it doesn't prevent the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp??

Why would it? All the powertrain components are mounted in the front of the vehicle.

[Purpelia]

Indeed. Most APCs/IFVs are front engine to allow for the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp, so that disembarking troops are better protected.

But yet it doesn't prevent the installation of a rear entry/exit ramp??

Yes and no. No in that if you mount the engine in the rear BMP-3 style you can have a rear exit ramp. But no in that the engine still takes up way too much space to store anything in the back. So while you can make a rear engined IFV/APC that troops can exit out the back from you will newer get the kind of storage ability inherent with front engined vehicles. Like the M113.

Example of what I mean: Troops exiting a BMP-3

[The Kievan People]

Mounting the engine in the back of an APC or IFV is a bad idea. Do not do it.

[Samozaryadnyastan]

Mounting the engine in the back of an APC or IFV is a bad idea. Do not do it.

So what's the deal with the BMP-3?

[Rich and Corporations]

Wait. How would the BMP-3 have less storage volume because of the engine? You're just moving one consumer of volume to one location to another. Surely the cause of less space is the reduced height and increased passenger load?

Mounting the engine in the back of an APC or IFV is a bad idea. Do not do it.

Because the engine won't provide armor protection?

Mounting the engine in the back of an APC or IFV is a bad idea. Do not do it.

So what's the deal with the BMP-3?

This is my derp guess. Damaged engines will cause too many vehicle kills.

[Purpelia]

Wait. How would the BMP-3 have less storage volume because of the engine? You're just moving one consumer of volume to one location to another. Surely the cause of less space is the reduced height and increased passenger load?

It's not about the net volume but its distribution. In a BMP-3 all of the volume for passengers is distributed behind and around the turret ring. Something that while arguably safer also means you don't get a convenient large box shaped cargo hold in the back that you can wheel stuff into. The M113 could transport all sorts of goodies in the back including but not limited to wheeling in a light howitzer. The BMP-3 can't.

Honestly I use rear engine for my IFV's and front engine for my APC's and issue them both to units based on requirements.

[A Hooloovoo]

Mounting the engine in the back of an APC or IFV is a bad idea. Do not do it.

Because the engine won't provide armor protection?

Because the rear is where the troops go. You want them to pile out the back, and have your front facing the enemy to protect them.

[Purpelia]

Because the engine won't provide armor protection?

Because the rear is where the troops go. You want them to pile out the back, and have your front facing the enemy to protect them.

Did you see the video I liked to? They pretty much can exit unobstructed and have all the protection they need.

[Rich and Corporations]

Because the engine won't provide armor protection?

Because the rear is where the troops go. You want them to pile out the back, and have your front facing the enemy to protect them.

Many APCs have side exits.



Purpelia: really? A howitzer in a M113? This is a bit hard to believe.

[Purpelia]

Because the rear is where the troops go. You want them to pile out the back, and have your front facing the enemy to protect them.

Many APCs have side exits.



Purpelia: really? A howitzer in a M113? This is a bit hard to believe.

I know.
It's crazy.
Right?

[Rich and Corporations]

That looks like the M116 Howitzer.
No one uses 75mm howitzers anymore,
because a 75mm howitzer would make a decent vehicle-mounted fire support weapon, and would be an excellent airdroppable piece of kit.

[Purpelia]

That looks like the M116 Howitzer.
No one uses 75mm howitzers anymore,
because a 75mm howitzer would make a decent vehicle-mounted fire support weapon, and would be an excellent airdroppable piece of kit.

I don't see why not thou. I find them quite useful for all sorts of things and will probably still use them. After all as you said they are easily portable making them ideal for vehicle light forces such as mountain troops and airborne. And they can be mounted on your average IFV in a turret mount for some instant artillery support. The only possible reason why I can imagine modern armies dropping them is because they optimized for Fulda way too much.

Although do you know what the new 75mm howitzer is? This thing.
I actually do use my own derivative of that one as a light field howitzer, IFV mounted artillery, ariborne and mountain troop gun etc.

[Risen Britannia]

because a 75mm howitzer would make a decent vehicle-mounted fire support weapon

in regards to this

BPM-97 + 2A28 Grom (or equivalents) for fire support role in a Afghan environment? Y/N

[Rich and Corporations]

because a 75mm howitzer would make a decent vehicle-mounted fire support weapon

in regards to this

BPM-97 + 2A28 Grom (or equivalents) for fire support role in a Afghan environment? Y/N

It's not stabilized, and modern IFVs are armored against the Grom's HEAT rounds.
But if you mean COIN, even a fifty cal would work.

I don't see why not thou. I find them quite useful for all sorts of things and will probably still use them. After all as you said they are easily portable making them ideal for vehicle light forces such as mountain troops and airborne. And they can be mounted on your average IFV in a turret mount for some instant artillery support. The only possible reason why I can imagine modern armies dropping them is because they optimized for Fulda way too much.

Not really, modern armies are seemingly run by NSers, who think range, time of flight, and blast radius matters most. Even though suppressive fire depends on volume, and low weight [for logistics reasons].

This is pretty much why I prefer to use artillery guns (as well as some tank guns) based on the British, whenever possible.

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On a minor note... sparky has an account in world of tanks. He only plays german TDs.

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something funny on the XM-1: http://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1121/112144.html/(page)/3

[Purpelia]

BPM-97 + 2A28 Grom (or equivalents) for fire support role in a Afghan environment? Y/N

It's not stabilized, and modern IFVs are armored against the Grom's HEAT rounds.
But if you mean COIN, even a fifty cal would work.[/quote]
Honestly I think the idea has merit. He just hast to modernize the thing extensively, stabilize it, develop new rounds etc.

Not really, modern armies are seemingly run by NSers, who think range, time of flight, and blast radius matters most. Even though suppressive fire depends on volume, and low weight [for logistics reasons].

Real world is so lame.

This is pretty much why I prefer to use artillery guns (as well as some tank guns) based on the British, whenever possible.

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On a minor note... sparky has an account in world of tanks. He only plays german TDs.

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something funny on the XM-1: http://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1121/112144.html/(page)/3

Any idea how good French weapons are? Given how awesome their tanks tend to be lately (ever since the glorious AMX-30) I am interested to know how they rate in other departments.

[Lamoni]

Any idea how good French weapons are? Given how awesome their tanks tend to be lately (ever since the glorious AMX-30) I am interested to know how they rate in other departments.

You should probably talk to Anemos Major about that one. Though, I have heard him say that Dassault HATES being in the fighter aircraft market, and that they don't market their wares NEARLY as much as they should.

[Rich and Corporations]

Honestly I think the idea has merit. He just hast to modernize the thing extensively, stabilize it, develop new rounds etc.

even based upon using a gold liner (or even a liner made out of gold glass), the penetration of a 73mm shell isn't that great, and modern IFVs designed to defeat standard (not modern) 105mm HEAT would easily defeat any 73mm shell.

Any idea how good French weapons are? Given how awesome their tanks tend to be lately (ever since the glorious AMX-30) I am interested to know how they rate in other departments.

South Korea and France have the two best land forces in the world.
The French have developed essentially the American future soldier system, or the FELIN. This was deployed to Afghanistan. This also allows soldiers to shoot their rifles defilade (much better then the iPad fire control systems commented on by firearms blogs).
France ultimately is the last continental power able to fight a major war, which is really wat considering that the economy of France is much richer then in WWII.


The French hyperbar engine isn't that great, although it allows for an integral APU, so it saves a little space. Naturally the hyperbar is already outdated.

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Any idea how good French weapons are? Given how awesome their tanks tend to be lately (ever since the glorious AMX-30) I am interested to know how they rate in other departments.

You should probably talk to Anemos Major about that one. Though, I have heard him say that Dassault HATES being in the fighter aircraft market, and that they don't market their wares NEARLY as much as they should.

When everyone else has spent their procurement budget on buying F-35s, you would hate being in the fighter aircraft market too.

[Purpelia]

South Korea and France have the two best land forces in the world.
The French have developed essentially the American future soldier system, or the FELIN. This was deployed to Afghanistan. This also allows soldiers to shoot their rifles defilade (much better then the iPad fire control systems commented on by firearms blogs).
France ultimately is the last continental power able to fight a major war, which is really wat considering that the economy of France is much richer then in WWII.


The French hyperbar engine isn't that great, although it allows for an integral APU, so it saves a little space. Naturally the hyperbar is already outdated.

Please explain the bolded part further. Thank you.

[Rich and Corporations]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%89LIN
It's exactly how I say it is.

The only reason why NS doesn't appear (I haven't read all RPs mind you) to make use of FELIN is probably because they read firearms blogs, and think 100 round capacity magazines are best.

[Purpelia]

([url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FELIN-openphotonet_PICT6047.jpg/220px-FELIN-openphotonet_PICT6047.jpg]Image)[/url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%89LIN
It's exactly how I say it is.

The only reason why NS doesn't appear (I haven't read all RPs mind you) to make use of FELIN is probably because they read firearms blogs, and think 100 round capacity magazines are best.

Is there any way for things to not get that bulky? As in that sight is almost the size of the rifle.

[Spirit of Hope]

([url=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/23/FELIN-openphotonet_PICT6047.jpg/220px-FELIN-openphotonet_PICT6047.jpg]Image)[/url] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F%C3%89LIN
It's exactly how I say it is.

The only reason why NS doesn't appear (I haven't read all RPs mind you) to make use of FELIN is probably because they read firearms blogs, and think 100 round capacity magazines are best.

I actually use something very similar to this. It's a base radio/GPS that comes with some basic "smartphone" capabilities. The system can pass on position and other information to the authorized higher level officers. Also ties in with my vehicles for a better battlefield network.